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Post by dave on Jul 22, 2015 14:15:32 GMT -5
I am, I don't know what word to use. "ANNE'S WOMB!" I'm not going there. I can't waste a second more even remotely considering that topic. Removed from memory bank. Gone!
Joe thinks Richard was a bad husband.
Regarding the "J.J." aspect I discussed that a few posts back. The bank clerk connection.
The case was the biggest story going at the time in the world. Everybody wanted to get into the act. There's all the new and interesting stuff that, as you say keeps turning up. My good friend Wayne Jones came up with a nut story, and I have his files (eight boxes of stuff), he bought the whole story a guy was selling. Discovered in the 80's. Did a whole book on the revelation of the baby, from Anne's womb, being taken to South America. Supports the point that new suff is always turning up somewhere.
When I started looking at the case there was Waller and Scaduto. The NJSP files and all the evidence was locked in a basement next to the men's showers at Division in West Trenton, New Jersey. But I started looking anyway. Over time everything opened up. When i decided to focus on the crime I found the answers I was looking for. Everything else, and there's tons of stuff, is everybody trying to get into the act. BUT without the other stuff no discusion board.
Have fun! You'll find that there's stuff that will draw this story on forever.
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Post by dave on Jul 21, 2015 14:39:20 GMT -5
Amy,
Don't mean to sound like a smart a--, can't do the work for ya.
Come on really, Ann's womb, who did Richard cheat with? It goes on and on. Michael can even tell you who built the house the Hauptmann's were living in at the time of the kidnapping. None of it matters. The list goes on and on.
Drove to Hopewell. Up ladder into room. Killed baby in crib. Leave a note. Out the window with dead kid. Strip body of sleeping suite. Bury kid on Mount Rose. Home to the Bronx. Read the Bronx Homenews. Contacts Condon. Sends the sleepings suite to prove he's the go to guy. Two meetings. Gets paid. Arrested. Tried. Executed. End of story.
When I copied the NJSP file in 1984 in contained 19,500 pages, the trial transcript, and 175 photos. Watch, someone is bound to say, "See how big the file is now." Then someone else will say, I am sure, "but the file is now 20 times bigger than in 1984. What does that tell ya smart guy?" It tells me a lot of dead troopers families gave a ton of stuff to the research center.
I lived this case for over four years. It's all I did. No day job, just the case. At the start I was a Scaduto guy. I could find nothing, but a ton of spin offs and a whole lot of window dressing. Richard did it plane and simple.
This site, as great as it is, is based on over thinking this case. Now I'll sit back watch the sh-- hit the fan.
This story was always fun and interesting, but it can't be more than it really is. A simple kidnap case like so many others in the 1930's. A "Snatch Racket" story at its best!
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Post by dave on Jul 20, 2015 16:58:46 GMT -5
I have had a few hours to think about the question of - Did Anna lie? Amy, bless your heart your right were almost everyone on this board is. Thinking of this crime as if it should be on CBS 48 Hours. A two or five year old case. See if I can figure it out. The answer coming in the last five minutes of the show.
The Lindbergh Case, as I have said so many times - "Simple crime, different time." Anna was a good "Haus Frau!" Not a criminal master mind. You have to want to know Anna, you have to know the times in which she lived. Be in her skin. I did it for a few years with Richard. Got to know him. Favorite foods, favorite beer. Knew the mind set. I discuss it with Volks, that's not a type o, on this board and the logic is all late 1990's or twenty first century reasoning. "48Hours." Not the 1930's.
No one is willing to look back. Everyone pulls the case, screaming and yelling, and fighting into our modern world. Well guess what? It won't fit. You gotta go backwards in your research. Warren Commission won't work here! (Man I can already hear the comments coming on that!) That's why the last six books on the case were such a disappointment. Same s--- different day. Ladder book was OK?
Go back, five years on the discussion board won't cut it. Dig it out. Get your hands dirty, and piss people off. That's what I did and now I can see the whole story, it doesn't require a website. Granted to some it will not be as much fun as believing some hair brain idea that you or some member of your family is the Linbergh Baby.That s--- will always be there. See the case with your eyes wide open and your head clear.
If all you do is the websites, after a while you can't see the case anymore. Thank God they wern't around when I did my research!
If all you need is the web, a screen and a keyboard you'll miss the whole thing!
ARBEIT MACHT FREI!
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Post by dave on Jul 20, 2015 12:06:21 GMT -5
Amy, I talked to Anna several times in the summer of 1983 and the fall of 1984. She believed that Richard came by and gave her a ride home on the night of March 1, 1932, because that was what he always did back then. Could she have been wrong? Yep. Was she lying, no! Just mistaken.
I asked about the box in the closet. She didn't know it was there she told me. You can talk about love and loyalty till your blue in the face. You must however, consider one thing. This was an old world marriage. My grandparents came over on the boat from Holland to the U.S. in 1920. When my Grandfather died in 1982, my Grandmother knew nothing about the finances, even where they banked. She never wrote a check in her life or learned to drive a car. The wife was loyal and loved but asked no questions. "He provides." That's what Anna said many times. Very old world.
She didn't lie. Just told what she thought was the truth.
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Post by dave on Jun 26, 2015 9:38:10 GMT -5
You gotta be kidding me!
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Post by dave on Jun 19, 2015 10:11:34 GMT -5
One thing about the house. After the fire, I think it was 1984, I was contact by the NJSP. I had taken hundreds of pictures of the inside of the house and they wanted them for the people who were going to do the restoration. I visited in 1986 and got a full tour. It looked great. I went to one place in the house. (and I won't say where) and found that where I carved "DH" hadn't been discovered. I'm sure it's still there today, undiscovered.
One side point. The guy who was the Director of Highfields, his name was Axelrod was later looked at as the person who may have started the fire.
One thing you can, I think still do, is park your car on the little rise on Feathetbed Lane and walk to the Lindbergh House. Through the woods. Remember there were no woods between Hauptmann's car and the Lindbergh House on 1932. I did it and got lost the first time. The neat thing is you park your car where Hauptmann parked his car. Some one needs to post about Harry (?) Conover. He lived in the farm house that looks at Featherbed Lane. He was a school boy in 1932 and on the night of the kidnapping was looking out his kitchen window and saw the kidnappers car lights go off on Fetherbed Lane. I don't know who owns the house now, but in 1986 Harry took me to the kitchen window, and sure enough it looks right at to spot where Hauptmann's car was parked. Check it out!
One other little side note. In Kennedy's book there's a picture of a farmer milking a cow. Next to him on the ground is a radio. Conover told me that was his Uncle. He also told me that his mother was standing on the porch of their house (On the morning of March 1st) that faced the same road that went to the Lindbergh house and saw Hauptmann go by in his car with the ladder in the car. Conover always wondered why she was't called at the trial. I honestly never ollowed up on her sighting. Anybody got any ideas?
Conovers father was hired by Lindbergh to clear the ground, between the Conovers house and Lindbergh's for a runway so Charlie could fly in and out. The runway was under construction at the time of the kidnapping and never finished.
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Post by dave on Jun 19, 2015 9:29:37 GMT -5
Michael,
The "nursery sleepover" was a lot of fun. That was after the fire. And I was staying all alone in the house. Thanks to the NJSP and the guy who was the Director of Highfields. Half the house was without power. (Lindbergh study, nursery. Lindbergh bedroom etc.) I slept in the boys dorm in the garage area. I had the run of the house for about 10 days. I did stay in Charlie's room on March the 1st. And by candle light read Waller's account of the night of the kidnapping. Took a bath every night in Oliver's tub. It was a hoot for sure.
I have come to the conclusion as a result of my research and adventures, that Hauptmann and Hauptmann alone did the deed. Alone! I know there are a thousand "buts and what ifs," but to me - Alone.
Simple crime, simpler time!
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Post by dave on Jun 18, 2015 15:16:04 GMT -5
Hurt,
Forget WW1. Were there other killings? Fair question. The info is tough to back up from a distance of (Then in 1983) 50plus years, but I did find a few close friends, one in the U.S. and two in Germany that talked about murders. I was given the picture of one victim (?) in Germany. I'm not going any further with those deaths right now. "Hunter Killer," you bet.
I also looked at the possibility that a second kidnapping was being planned at the time of Hauptmann's arrest. That idea came from the son of a close friend of Hauptmann's. (Hauptmann wanted the man's father to be involved.) Again 50plus years. I am sure many will rush forward with - "If it isn't in the NJSP, FBI, or the NYPD files there can't possibly be anything to the information supplied by these people, after all their not in the files. They were old when they told their stories, and it was just too long ago."
He did it (The Kidnapping) alone. No co-kidnappers. Sorry! As I have said before, you have to know and understand "the man."
Stay strong Hurt.
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Post by dave on Jun 17, 2015 11:16:30 GMT -5
My friend Jack,
I do know that both Hitler and Goebbels were aware of Hauptmann's situation, but nothing on a "Sleeper" aspect. Sorry.
Arbeit macht frei, Dave
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Post by dave on Jun 16, 2015 21:42:53 GMT -5
Hurt,
No big deep answer here. In a nut shell one word, Profiling. I wanted to know the man, and when it comes to profiling you don't start with the question of did he do it? You start with is he capable of doing the crime. Bottom line, Hauptmann was a hunter killer. Period.
As you know, and I found this out years go, Hauptmann used he name "John" on several occasions. I'm sure someone will come forward on this site and explain, not several, just once. I found he used it several times.
I interviewed David Wilentz the last time in June 1983. He didn't just say Hauptmann was "John" he believed it with every fiber of his being. You got a problem with his attitude, live with it!
As far as activities, and Hauptmann. If I listed everything I did I'd be typing for an hour. All of them had a direct connection to him, the crime, and his conviction. The ones I listed today we're aspects of my research I haven't mentioned very often or thought about in years. They all help me to understand the man. You want to know this case? Don't take Michael's or my word for anything. Don't trust anybody!! Go and do likewise. Should only take you about 4+ years.
Have fun Hurt!
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Post by dave on Jun 16, 2015 15:01:47 GMT -5
Aimee,
When I started looking at this case in the late 1970's it sometimes felt like the 1930's. No websites, discusion boards. All I had was Waller and Scaduto. In 1979 I found Patterson Smith. I went to New Jersey where he operated from, drank a lot of beer with him and then he sold me every known book on the Lindbergh Case. (From 1932 to 1979)
The case cost me a marriage and a ton of money. Most of the research then was done on the telephone. (Phone books and information operators.). Airplane tickets, rental cars, and really bad copy machines.
I want to Maine to see the locations were Hauptmann went hunting. Went in the summer no snow. Rented a "Oldtown Canoe." Launched it from where Hauptmann kept his canoe. Took a canoe trip to the waters edge of St. Raymond's Cematary. Then walked to were the ransom was paid. Back to the canoe, and made the trip back to were I put the canoe in the water. Success.
Was I there in the 1930's? No. But I did everything they did. Up the ladder into the window. Out to Mount Rose. Camped in a camp ground in Florida near to where the Hauptmann's camped. Made the same California trip by car they did. Slept in Hauptmann's jail cell in Flemington, (Had to sign a butt load of insurance papers and releases on that one!) and sat in the electric chair. Was I there in the 1930's? No. But I have been everywhere and done most everything that relates to this case. Was it worth it? Somedays I wonder, but most days I say yes!
Any questions?
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Post by dave on Jun 16, 2015 14:03:03 GMT -5
Troj,
I know what you ment! Put Manfred's DNA with the envelops, and you would have positive match I'd be willing to bet.
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Post by dave on Jun 16, 2015 13:29:40 GMT -5
Get the book on Harold Olson. I for a while in 1979 bought everything he was shoveling. He was a nice guy and a good friend. He had it all. The toes, birthmarks. He was the total package. No one had what he had. Then or now.
Sorry Aimee
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Post by dave on Jun 16, 2015 12:58:37 GMT -5
Troj, As far as Hauptmann, I have visited and talked with Manfred Hauptmann many times. Most of the time the conversations are about, believe it or not, my family, and how about them Yankees? If I'm there two hours I get if I'm lucky 8 minutes on his Mom and Dad. Lot of resentment towards the Lindbergh Crime in general, and yes even his Dad. New Jersey or anyone else will never get any help from Fred Hauptmann.
DNA, forget it. The only thing it would do is confirm what I already know and believe - The baby died March 1st, 1932 in his crib at the hand of Richard Hauptmann.
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Post by dave on Jun 16, 2015 10:09:52 GMT -5
I knew Quinn, and I knew Tony. With Quinn I was confronted with "your not another Sceduto are ya?" All I'm going to say is that a request was made by Scaduto, but he didn't go. There was a lady I found in Florida who was the widow of Ellis Parker Jr.. Tony said he talked with her. (In his book) Mrs. Blair Rodman, from Clearwater, Florida. She and her (then current) husband both said there was no contact with Scadoto. (I talked to them twice in the fall of 1982 at their home.) There are several other examples.
Tony wanted to co-author a book on the case in 1982. I started asking around. Too many questions! (Yes in 1982 I had some doubts about Hauptmann's involvement In the case.)
There ya have it. Doubts about interviews, files reviewed, and visits made. To his credit though I traveled with his book everywhere I went in 1979 -1982. I bet I distroyed a dozen copies highlighting, writing notes on pages.
He's a part of the permanent record. His book did put into motion everything going on with this case, even to this very day! Someday I'll do some posts on Kennedy and his research and book. We came within a half a second of a fist fight once. The true story of Richard Hauptmann should be told, but these two guys wern't the ones to do it. Forgive me but I'm not going to put a "Happy Face" here.
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Post by dave on Jun 16, 2015 9:06:34 GMT -5
Really! Michael I didn't think you bought into that crap as it relates to A.R. (I tried to put a yellow happy face here in remembrance Bob! But couldn't get it to work.)
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Post by dave on Jun 15, 2015 22:32:17 GMT -5
Tony was not looking at the prints that were forwarded to Hoffman. I have questions about Scadulo ever being there. This is based on other visits that I know never happened. What ever was turned over to Gov. Hoffman from the NJSP was in his files. Fisher in the intro to the paper back edition of his book goes into the time and place the Hoffman files were found, and about them.
The NJSP always took the smug position, until Mrs Hauptmann's sued them, that they didn't need to respond to any questions from anyone regarding any aspect of the Lindbergh Case. In 1975 there was absolutely no reason or any benefit to them to let a guy who wrote books on Marlyn Monroe, Bob Dylan, and the Beatles look at their files. I do not think it ever happened.
Have fun Amy!
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Post by dave on Jun 15, 2015 22:17:06 GMT -5
Keep digging Amy!
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Post by dave on Jun 15, 2015 17:13:51 GMT -5
"C"
I'm not talking about what you call the "German Lindbergh's! I am referring to the sring of crazy nuts that have turned up in the last 40 odd years claiming that they or family members had to be Junior. They are a waste of time! They don't need a DNA work up.
Am I clear now "C"?
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Post by dave on Jun 15, 2015 16:20:57 GMT -5
Hey,
In 1982 when i was going through the NJSP files, and they were a mess, I, we, Plebani and I found all the photos of the fingerprints. (Block and Ball photos were there.) Plus fingerprint cards for everyone who came in contact with the case. Even Lindbergh! There was no separate package for finger prints for the child. Tony Scaduto said he saw some in a box. (There's no record of his visit to Trenton) He says he saw the prints.
I found in 1982 Hoffman's letter wanting the prints and made a copy of that letter for myself. When Wayne Jones was doing his book I gave him a copy. The baby fingerprints were always a so what to me. The body was found, Identification was made.
If New Jersey had had the prints they could have shut the "nuts" down way before the Hoffman garage find years later.
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Post by dave on Jun 15, 2015 14:13:31 GMT -5
In the 1980's I spent hours with Harold Olson, Ken Kerwin and five others who were told or thought they were Lindy Jr.. (One was a women from Europe. Those were fun times.) Harold became a good friend and visited me several time here in Arizona. But, He and all the others were wasting their time. Junior was found near the Mount Rose Highway in 1932. Dead at the scene, Period, end of story.
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Post by dave on Jun 15, 2015 13:19:25 GMT -5
Tony Scaduto in his book talks about seeing a set of the child's prints in the basement of a building at Division were the files were kept until Mrs. Hauptmann brought her case against New Jersey.
I talked to Tony in the summer of 1983. Then he told me that a set of prints were stored in the garage of Gov. Hoffman's daughter. I don't know how he knew that, he may have talked to her. He and I were going to go and check the material out, but as he often did, couldn't go at the last minute. A lttle later the story broke about all of Gov. Hoffman's files being found in a garage.
In 1986 I gave a copy a letter to Wayne Jones, that Gov. Hoffman wrote to the NJSP requesting the child's prints for his investigation. The Governor must have never given the prints back.
When copies of the prints were given to Harold and the rest of the baby gang, no one had a match. Therefore, they all said the prints found could not have been those of Lindbergh junior. Imagine that!
How do the prints of the latest Linbergh Baby, his daughter, Lindy's great granddaughter, who posts on this site turn out? Match?
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Post by dave on Jun 6, 2015 0:43:47 GMT -5
My friend Jack. That's a great picture you use. Be that William Allan? Dave
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Post by dave on Jun 4, 2015 9:14:30 GMT -5
Jack, Check the names on the list of the gang who made the arrest of Hauptnann.
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Post by dave on Jun 3, 2015 16:45:34 GMT -5
Michael,
I had dinner with my friend British Historian David Irving two weeks ago and he made a comment that is spot on with your post. "If your dealing with primary source information that others don't have access to your always going to have to deal with this claim. They will say: If we don't have it (Other researchers) then it is the same as not existing at all, or because of the passage of time the odds are it is totally inaccurate now." He went on to say that it was that train of thought that he had to deal with when writing his Goebbels bio, and currently with his new bio of Himmler. (Due out in the fall.)
Michael your doing a great job on this site. Keep up the good work. And thanks, I needed the conformation you gave me in you post.
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Post by dave on Jun 3, 2015 13:38:14 GMT -5
I thought I was done for a while, but there is always someone going on and on about climbing up the ladder and through the window and out again. Now it's "lightningjew," who's belly aching about how hard it would be. In June of 1983, at the age of 34, they (Highfields) let me give it a try, I did it on the first try. Up and in. Out with a 18 pound bag of rice that they had on site. Done period. Lightn', stop talking about it and go do it. Or pay to have someone do it so you can sleep again at night! Geez!
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Post by dave on Jun 3, 2015 12:13:07 GMT -5
Amy, It was a teller.
The box, they looked after everyone left. Can't give you any more than that. Check when the bills started showing up.(The "they," you guess.) What happened with the Barr woman at Lowes Theater, didn't happen with Richard. I'm sure you already knew that! Thus the folded bill story. But who was it who had the bill?
I just got a call from a friend who follows this site on a regular basis and he insisted that I put a disclaimer regarding my tapes. I have agreements with the dead and some families of the dead to not use the material until after certain dates. Some of those dates have pasted, but some have not. The longest is still 2 years plus out. Even if everything was clear I would still have everything on hold. My sons are film makers and they have expressed a great interest.
One of the tapes with the longest hold is with a New Jersey State Trooper.
Have Fun Amy
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Post by dave on Jun 3, 2015 9:42:59 GMT -5
I really think Michael sums up everything with this comment: "If he (Hans) said something different to you i'd be amazed that he'd tell some one thing and others the opposite." That's a direct quote as they say. The whole story in a "nut shell." Another great quote! That someone would tell one person one thing and another something else. Who would have "thunk" it ?
Hans was a nice old man, and sometimes when people get to the age he was when I talked to him, to quote him,"you just want to get rid of everything." Thank God for cassette tape recorders! He was tired of his life being "defined by the Lindbergh Story." Also some great info on the the famous box that was brought to Richards house the night of the big party.
One other thing and I'm done. No one picked up on the" deposit" comment. If true, and I believe it is, that puts a whole of theories in the s----er.
Anyway, get back to the handwriting, how Violet helped, and my personal favorite the church in the Bronx. Cornel and I found, in 1983, six members still alive. A great story that won't fit most theories.
Every interview we did was taped and we were photographed with the person interviewed. Those of Jersey Troopers are in Trenton. (Wallace, Horn etc.) I have the rest!
Good luck and keep on travelin'.
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Post by dave on Jun 2, 2015 15:20:17 GMT -5
Amy, All kidding aside. I get it. The number of notes, the wood box, and on and on it goes. I'm not saying that's bad, but it's a lot like the forest and trees thing.
There was a time ( 1978-1995 ) that I believed I knew Richard Hauptmann better than anyone living or dead. Hans was his best friend, he told me things no one else ever knew. There were a ton of things that Anna didn't have a clue about, (Not to mention the mention the New Jersey State Police.)
Consider, what if the Lindbergh baby wasn't the only person Richard murdered.
What if there was a plan at the time of his arrest to commit another kidnapping?
These are things that would cause a new look at Richard!! The Lindbergh Kidnapping is just one aspect of his life. That's why beating the case death, I find boring.The notes, ok look at them again and again. But, how about flirting with Ethal Stockton in the courtroom. Richard loved women. Friends wives, it didn't matter. It was all about him, and he would kill to get what he wanted.
Living with Hauptmann for close to forty years you find that the Lindbergh Case just becomes a day in the life!
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Post by dave on Jun 2, 2015 14:09:56 GMT -5
Yep, it do.
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