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Post by jack7 on Mar 26, 2010 13:27:28 GMT -5
Not sure what you're talking about.
If I was upset with someone it would be very obvious and they'd know it in a hurry. Far as I recall I'm very not upset with you and if you consider some things insulting you're taking them the wrong way. As far as stating YOUR opinion, whatever that may be about anything, I'm not sure that I have, but sorry if I inadvertently stepped on toes.
Lighten up - model shipbuilding can be fun!
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Post by jack7 on Mar 26, 2010 17:47:42 GMT -5
Nobody's insulting you Kevkon - whine somewhereelse.
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Post by jack7 on Mar 26, 2010 23:13:21 GMT -5
OK the package is dead and they blundered? by leaving it? but they were wise enough to keep the sleeping suit. Yet they continue negotiations because they want the $ 50K.
How can they be assured (100%) that the body hasn't been discovered while they're negotiating?
Also. in spite of their ransom holes and rings it appears others are after "their" money. How do they make sure "they" get it, and 70, not 50?
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Post by hunley2 on Jan 4, 2011 16:49:56 GMT -5
Jack wrote, "Col. Breckenridge - arrived at CAL residence about 2:00 AM and, sometimes with Lindbergh, guided newspaper reporters through the crime scene. Breck also received one of the ransom notes which advised him the kidnappers would select a "go-between." Wouldn't the guys after the money want to get this part over with?" Breckenridge is always on the sidelines, but always knows everything that is going on and rarely heard about in all the clutter...I brought him up in a post I wrote earlier. I am a new member, most of the info I am aware of has come to me through this board. I am now seeking other information online and doing some research of my own. I just keep thinking about all the wild goose chases, but if we keep it simple...concentrate on the happenings and staff and family involved on this particular weekend alone, to the Tuesday night the baby disappeared. Can anyone make a list with all members of the staff and family during this time? 1. Violet (and her sister EDNA(?) who supposedly only hung with one another with no female or male friends ??). I am not sure where the sister of Violet was this weekend? but, Violet was there nonetheless. 2. Mrs. Morrow 3. Driver from Morrow's who took Betty to the farm 4. Mr. Whately 5. Mrs. Whately 6. Col. Breckenridge 7. Mrs. Breckenridge 8. Ava (daughter to the Breckenridge's) who sometimes babysat Breckenridge was called shortly after the child was discovered missing (before police I believe) and rushed to Lindbergh's side. Michael and I had a short discussion about this and he believes that Breckenridge may have covered for Lindbergh after the kidnapping but had no part of the original scheme (whatever it may have been.) My concern is that he is least suspect, least implicated, plays a huge roll and always remains in the shadows. He and his family was the only visitors mentioned that weekend with his daughter Ava and his wife, first called by Lindbergh (after baby gone), shows up soon afterwards, first contacted by the kidnappers (after first letter instructions were overlooked), stayed with Jasfsie (to babysit I believe because Lindbergh claimed he did not fully trust him..Condon)...the man certainly had the intellect, training, and background to turn this incident into the circus and confusing situation it became right off the bat. Yet Breck seems to be the least likely thought about or paid attention to, which is why everything went haywire to begin with, to draw attention away from the true facts??? Am I thinking crazy? This really seems quite logical to me, if we can stay focused on that weekend and those people then and there that were involved from beginning to the end....Breckenridge certainly was and lived through it all. Others died mysteriously, questionable circumstances, or returned or shipped back to their home country soon afterwards, Breck was still alive and kicking, remained loyal and faithful, and maintained his respected reputation.... Great post Jack..... Thoughts?
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Post by hunley2 on Jan 4, 2011 17:00:43 GMT -5
Sorry, I certainy meant to add Betty Gow to my prior list of members for that weekend. Does anyone know if the phone records from both places were taken that entire weekend (since the extra stayover required a change of plans and probably a few calls)... or where to begin to look for this information concerning phone records??? Betty did use the drugstore phone along the way didn't she?
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Post by mairi on Jan 4, 2011 22:23:51 GMT -5
Hi Hunley2, Re Breck: What is your take on the Fisch-look-alike who came to his office? There was something said in that exchange along the lines of (he/you/they)"..will have to come to us" which seems, to my mind, to echo something said in either one of the ransom letters or maybe one of the so called exchanges between Jafse/CJ. Something doggone peculiar about that meeting Re Ollie Whateley: Looking at the brief accounting (allowed) of people there that night, do you have an impression of his movements? I may be doing poor old Ollie a disservice, but it seems to me maybe his time accounting was on the thin side. ............................................................. ............................................................. To All Suchb]great[/bposts and attachments going on here !! With only being able to read with one eye, I'll tell you I'll press my face to the screen to make sure I won't miss anything!
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Post by hunley2 on Jan 5, 2011 10:27:34 GMT -5
Mairi, Thanks for the response. Could you let me know where to find information about this meeting? I am new to this research and the board, matter of fact it is my first...I know the 2nd letter went to Breck's office, but that is all I know. I did not know about the Fisch look alike. As for Ollie's movements, 1. All staff, Betty, Elsie, and Ollie valched for eachother for times before the kidnapping. Ate dinner, washed dishes, answered phone for Betty, who talked to Red and then went to sitting room to read.... BUT after the Col. arrived, a. all the women ended up upstairs together leaving Lindy and Ollie downstairs alone, and not together in the same room. Elsie and Betty were looking at a dress and gossiping, Ann was taking a bath. b. Lindy was in downstairs library c. Ollie was downstairs somewhere (Three women upper floor, only two (Elsie and Betty) are together...Ann is drawing a bath or in the bath. Betty notes the time and runs to the baby and asks about Ann's whereabouts during the process, Elsie informs her that Mrs. L is in the tub...Gow states she thought the lady of the house may want to go with her to the baby)....were these intentional movements: a. to verify the time b. provide alibi c. note Mrs. Lindbergh was separated from the two? ? Where is Ollie during this time? Now, re-thinking some things. Someone posted that the Whately's DID NOT care a lot for Betty...but...Elsie took Betty upstairs to look at her dress and gossip. (Maybe to divert her away so Ollie had an opening downstairs? ) Hmmmmmmm??? Your take?
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Post by mairi on Jan 6, 2011 11:00:09 GMT -5
Hi Hunley2, Due to vision deficit, (close vision,reading/writing typing)I'm unable to go back through books, forum threads to locate source of Breck and his Fisch-look-alike visitor. Am sorry I can't find it for you. If Rick looks in, he has posted on it and he or Michael may be helpful in pointing out the direction for it. As to visitor remark to Breck .."has to come to us", go to Ronelle's board- the information part- and look at ransom note #8. "We know you have to come to us". Coincidental phrasing? It's seeming similarity (in my view) has continued to nag me. Am excited about your interest and digging in on the LKC!
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Post by Michael on Jan 6, 2011 17:09:40 GMT -5
This can be found in Lloyd's book, The Case That Never Dies, on page 408. After reading the book I went to the Archives and made a copy of the actual Report. At the time this book was written I had been researching there for 4 years myself and never saw it.
This supports what I have always been trying to impress about the research there. One would think that all info on Fisch would be found in a file dedicated to him. Not so, in fact, each and everyone who would claim to have done the research required to be an "Authority" on this case from ALL the years prior to 2004 missed it.
How so?
And why was it, at the time it was written - ignored?
An excellent observation Mairi.
There is a vast collection of phone records at the NJSP Archives. I have searched and searched for those connected to Hopewell 303. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find anything prior to "kidnapping." Only everything later along with the extra Police lines. There is some concerning the Morrow Englewood Exchange. And there is some from the local Hopewell exchanges to and from NY or anything they viewed as suspicious. I have a pretty extensive collection that I have copied over the years. What I copied was based upon what I felt was important at the time.
It's a pitfall because its ALL important as I continue to find out.
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Post by hunley2 on Jan 7, 2011 0:03:45 GMT -5
Thanks Mairi, for welcoming me. Thanks for the information as well from you and Michael. I do not have any of the books and am not close enough to visit the archives personally. Is there an internet membership at the NJSP Archives? Like I said, I am new to this but I am learning a lot very fast just from the conversations and debates on this board. You all have very good thoughts on this very difficult case. I can't even tell you how I even got started with Lindbergh...go figure. ...but this is where I eventually landed (no pun intended) and stayed....I like it!!
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Post by hunley2 on Jan 7, 2011 0:06:36 GMT -5
Michael, I have viewed some of the phone records somewhere...maybe here, or online doing some web research...but only of the night the kidnapping happened. Thanks..
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Post by Michael on Jan 7, 2011 17:10:44 GMT -5
I highly recommend Lloyd's book, The Case That Never Dies. Here is a link to the Archive's web-site: The Archives themselves require an appointment, although the Archivist, Mark Falzini, is accessible, friendly, and extremely knowledgeable. Despite my frequent visits, I still find myself on the phone with him often. Here is his contact information: Mark W. Falzini Archivist NJ State Police Museum 609-882-2000 Mark has written a book on the Case too: “Their Fifteen Minutes: Biographical Sketches of the Lindbergh Case”
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Post by hunley2 on Jan 7, 2011 19:44:40 GMT -5
Thanks Michael!
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