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Post by rick3 on Sept 14, 2007 7:51:38 GMT -5
Interesting Frontpage Headline News: The Newark Advocate 9-22-1934 - Seeks Woman in Lindbergh Kidnap Case--John J. Sullivan, Assistant Chief of NYC detectives revealed today that FOOTPRINTS OF A WOMAN were found beneath the Nursery windows at Col Lindbergh's estate after the kidnapping of Charlie Jr! Sullivan held steadfastly to his belief that Hauptmann did not play a lone hand in the kidnap and sent his detectives out on the trail for his woman accomplice. "Not a one-man job" doubts Sullivan.
- Dr. Condon Believes There were Three Men Involved in the Extortion Plot; Wants Fisch's Body Exhumed for Study! "I believe he was murdered"--JFC
- "Fisch, the other man (eg Henry Uhlig)and a woman went to Germany but only the other man and the woman came back? "Fisch died in Leipsig after being there only a short time?"--JFC
- Condon, the only man who saw CJ at the cemetery has refused to identify the 35 year olde cabinetmaker and ex-con as the man to whom he passed the ransom 2 and 1/2 years ago! (eg Bruno' Richaard Hautpmann!)
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Post by rick3 on Sept 15, 2007 11:38:18 GMT -5
....."No Guts, No Glory"--the All American Idiom......Ellis Parker: www.bartleby.com/218/0406.htmlNote: just a reminder that 95% of the above post re: Condon and Fisch; can be found in Dr. Lloyd Gardner's TCTNDies pp. 170-171 or search the Index for John J. Sullivan.... 2. More entertainment from our star witness and go0between: "...in a September 21 1934 memorandum, FBI agent Leon G. Turrou said that Dr Condon told him..."the real Cemetery John was Hauptmann's brother"? Does BRH have a brother? "He asserted", Turrow reported after Condon first looked at Hauptmann in police custody, "that the real John was killed long ago and the the money was taken away from him by his confederates". Does he mean Isador Fisch is CJ? "Condon intimated that the real men who are responsible for the kidnapping and murder of the Lindbergh child are now somewhere in Long Island around Bay Shores" JEHoover himself wrote in a Sept 22, 1934 "it is entirely possible that two men were involved" and that possibly "Fisch was involved with Hauptmann in the outside work"? In the beginning, JFC thought RED and BETTY were innocent/ now Fisch, a total unknown quantity to us, becomes his new #1 concern? How does he know all these persons? eg BRH and Uhlig play cards at nite? [The Albuquerque Tribune Friday Nov 11 1977.]
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Post by Michael on Sept 19, 2007 6:13:00 GMT -5
Somewhere early in the investigation the Police got the impression John may have been killed. I will have to search for the source. If it was Condon then I think that's important. It may have been Condon "stealing" this idea to incorporate it in his sea of lies to the Police in order to bolster them.....which may been the reason he proclaimed this to Turrou - which he absolutely did. There's no way around this. I know for a fact they had him looking through all of the pictures of the unknown dead at the morgue searching for John. Here is a photo I found in the Hoffman collection of the replica ladders sold outside of the Courtroom which got so much publicity (if copyrighted, I post for educational purposes only and will remove at the request of the copyright holder):
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Post by rick3 on Sept 19, 2007 7:06:12 GMT -5
Thanks Michael....dont we also have some evidence, maybe Steve Romeo, that Isador Fisch actually owned property in Long Island? What happened to this property after Fisch sailed for Germany? Was it anywhere near Bay Shores as suggested by Condon above? Was it willed to his brother Pinkus or family? Entire article: www.rense.com/general74/doyle.htm
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Post by rick3 on Sept 21, 2007 7:26:30 GMT -5
Three intriguing paragraphs from Wayne Jones page 894 connecting Wendel and Fisch:
"That was the way things stood until Detective Parker was introduced to two men from Pennsylvania who visited his office in Mount Holly, NJ in early 1936, before Hauptmann's execution. The visit was to prove the involvement of Isador Fisch and give truth to Hauptmann's only alibi as to where he got the money!
"From the information offered him by his two visitors Parker learned some new facts concerning the involvement of Isador Fisch in the Lindbergh case, something not previously known, but which proved to be more incriminating in support of Hauptmann's insistence that he had innocently obtained the $14,600 of Lindbergh ransom money from Fisch.
"Armed with this "fresh ammunition" which added support to Parker's belief that Fisch obtained the ransom money from Wendel, something Wendel had inferred in previous statements to the detective, Parker decided to act since the time of Hauptmann's execution was near at hand." end quote
So, who are these two mysterious PA visitors to Parker in Mt. Holly? What new facts did they provide at this late date in March? The Cuban connection to the ransom money?
Here's a clever idea:
Maybe Fisch links with Wendel thru Schleser and DiGrasi?
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Post by Michael on Sept 21, 2007 17:25:18 GMT -5
Here's the problem Rick - no footnotes.
If this is to be believed where is the footnote? Is it Scaduto or did Jones read this in a report, trial transcript, or some other source material? If he read it in the source material I think a good bet would be that I have it. I am not blowing smoke when I say there probably isn't any one person in the world who has more on Parker then me. I don't know of any two "mysterious" people approaching Parker "from PA" in early '36. I know Wendel worked in PA and was being followed by people loaned to Parker. I am not saying with 100% conviction its incorrect but I just haven't found this yet.
And if it does exist I do have it.
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Post by rick3 on Sept 22, 2007 11:23:19 GMT -5
Michael--I couldn't agree more. I thought you might recognize the said incident and know "who"? Just the fact that Jones left off the names of the two guys, as well as the citation/footnote makes it suspect or at least rumor.
But, on the bright side, in spite of all the hoopla about Paul E. Wendel, and his own not-believable lone-wolfe confessions it remains pretty obvious that Ellis Parker was trying to connect Fisch to the kidnap, or at least "The Extortion in the Bronx".
[12-12-1935] RANSOM USED IN GERMANY --Detective Parker said to have Confirmation Fisch Used Part of the lindbergh Money in His Homeland (Indiana Evening gazette, Indiana, PENNSYLVANIA) Much of Parker's inquiry involved "forgotten archives of the epochal mystery" concerning Fisch's activities in August/September 1933.
Parker was apparently trying to trace the ransom money to Germany with Fisch after finding out from Steilweg that Fisch paid for the steamship fares with Gold Certs. Certain News Archives suggest ransom notes were found there? We should all be cognizant that one way you can establish a direct connection between Fisch >>>> BRH is through the ransom money--especially in the summer of 1933 before Fisch travels to Leipsig.
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Post by Michael on Sept 23, 2007 9:50:49 GMT -5
Parker was convinced that Fisch had paid Steinweg in Lindbergh Ransom. He made this deduction based upon several things. He knew if this was true then it wasn't the funds which came from Hauptmann. So there is logic behind the belief that Parker connected up Wendel & Fisch instigated by Bleefled's interview with Scaduto. As I read through all of my material it makes sense for him to try and do this. However, I still haven't found the "smoking gun" and perhaps there just isn't one (in writing) to find. I have a hard time believing this though because I have so much labeled "Please Destroy" and in code (which I have cracked) that I would think something might be there. I have been reading all of the hand-written material to see if there is something to be found - often this type of material is overlooked and/or skimmed. Some of it is very hard to read and you have to play a game like "find the letter" in order to figure out what the word is. Speaking of Ellis Parker, there was a recent article in PhillyBurbs.com which quoted a Ms. Alicia McShulkis as saying that no one really wanted Ellis Parker to investigate the case. This type of thing irks the hell out of me when people (who have no clue) are quoted as if they know what they are talking about. The NJSP went to see Ellis Parker about this case on March 2nd, 1932 (the next day). Governor Moore asked Parker to investigate and we all know Governor Hoffman did. In fact, Parker seeking Lindbergh's blessing got it through Col. McNabb on March 9, 1932:
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Post by dena on Mar 25, 2008 16:01:39 GMT -5
I have a question Im hoping maybe someone knows the answer too. The Charlie Schleser who Dr Gardner talks about in his book, one of the BRH "friends", sounded like a very viable suspect who sjhould have obviously been looked at closer rather than be used by the prosecution.
This Schleser characters attorney was an "Alfred B Kurtz". Is this the same Alfred B Kurtz who was a former Assistant District Attorney who had been accused of misconduct in 1931? This Kurtz sounded like a pretty crooked fellow.
Thanks, Dena
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