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Post by rick3 on Aug 31, 2007 10:23:35 GMT -5
article--The Gettysburg Times, Friday September 28 1934
STOOP-SHOULDERED MAN IS SOUGHT IN LINDBERGH CASE
Washington/ A search for a stoop-shouldered man as an accomplice to the ransom taken in the Lindbergh kidnapping case Thursday night occupied justice department agents. Col. Charles A. Lindbergh was reported in reliable quarters to have furnish Federal operatives this fresh description of the handkerchief masked man who walked by his auto on the night of April 2 while JFC was preparing to hand over the $50K ransom.
In addition, to this informantion the Justice Dept has been told that a woman, apparently of Latin origin also had played a role in the ransom taking. Her part, however, was believe here to have been of little significance?
JEHoover declined to amplify his statement that additional arrests were expected....
The masked hunchback is understood to have walked within an arms length of Jafsie as he talked with Col Lindbergh who was seated in an automobile. Alter walking by JFC he back tracked and jFC is said to have "followed him around the corner".
Officials have been asked to search for a "John Maurer" arousing speculation as to whether he might have been the John in the case? end/
[let me be perfectly clear that my candidate is JJ "Doc" Nosovitsky, but Theon Wright suggests its Fisch p. 115 in Search for the Lindbergh baby]
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Post by rita on Aug 31, 2007 20:25:44 GMT -5
The BOI was working on a different belief than New Jersey, and did not believe the ladder. Try carrying a thirty pound sack up or down a narrow ladder, and it will either break or tip over due to sideway pull from center of gravity displacement from the movable sack, which would pull the carrier over the side of the narrow ladder. I do not believe those that claim it can be done, as they are just guessing it can be done without actually trying it, and the physics say no, how far would the 30 pound sack extend outward from the diameter of the ladder causing it to turn over?
It appears Lindbergh and Condon were making stories up as they went along, and when Condon finally realized Lindbergh was trying to hang the case on just anyone that took the bait he started re-embellishing the stories they earlier made together, and holding news conferences that were cleverly calculated by Condon that would have brought guilt on both Lindbergh and Condon. Lindbergh was check mated, and meeting his match Condon needed to stop Schwartzkopf from pressuring Condon.
Even the kidnap day story appears as a poorly made alibi for a missing child, which happen through parent causes in the majority of cases. There were no fingerprints, and a baby crib with a blanket neatly pinned to the mattress, commonly done for storage when not planned for use. The ransom note Lindbergh held sealed for two hours was not similar to the following ransom letters, because it was done without the refinements, done unconsciously by a second party. The ransom letter nearly perfectly matches the handwriting of Anne, and Gov Hoffmann started an investigation after receiving affidavits from employees telling a different story of Charleys disappearance.
Most people tend to make excuses for illogical stories put forth in such cases, especially when they see home parallels. I think we have all heard the excuses made up on the pinned blanket, but the fact of the matter is that no excuse works, and was a regular maid routine to keep the crib in order while not being used. The Phantom kidnapper of their story did not pull Charley from underneath a pinned blanket, but like the tall tale of the ladder everyone builds excuses for how it worked without even understanding it as an impossible feat/
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Post by Michael on Sept 1, 2007 9:23:32 GMT -5
Why do you think this man was Nosovitzky?
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Post by rick3 on Sept 1, 2007 11:40:52 GMT -5
Hi Michael--well it could just be "quilt by association" but I did find someplace that JJ was "stooped shouldered" so much relys on this physical observation (like pop-eyes for Baker/Bacon)? But also I think JJ makes a pretty good JJ Faulkner after Mickey brings the ransom notes to NYC to show about to every Tom, Dick and rumrunner. Uncle Dinny thinks Noso was fixing to grab Charlie? And JJ ends up in the hunt for the ransom anyways with Evalyn Walsh McClean.? Oh yes, and his middle names are John and Doc/
NOSOVITSKY, JACOB JOHN?— Jacob Nosovitsky soon managed to latch onto the long coatails (or whatever) of Evalyn Walsh MacLean, and she supplied the "Doc" with frequent sums to develop his own investigations. We do not know what happened to Jake's second wife (or mistress), his only son, nor even Noso's death date. (see Lindy kidnap) Most of the material regarding Jake and Evalyn is still in the US; marries Estelle Nosow….1926 >National Archives, in Box 33 (LKC) and dated mainly to 1938. One such >communication involved Noso's receipt of $700 in cash from her, for >his "investigation" to find the "real killer." Perhaps Mrs McLean was a sucker for cons? Works for Burns Det. Agency and bombing/ 1917? St. Raymond stoop shoulders TW115; Nosovitsky, Jacob - A.k.a. Dr. James Anderson -- 286 122. Nye, Gerald P. -- 1 123. Organized Crime -- 12 124. Pearl Harbor Attack, December 7, 1941 -- 2 ...arrives from Canada to Detroit Michigan sometime…..see Ancestry.com
I am also impressed with Jesse Pelletrues connecting Noso reports from Burns Detective Agency with the ransom notes as found in Behn? All in all I just think that Nosovitsky makes a good addition to the roster of the LKH--adds some revenge, communist and Internatiional Spy flavor to a local kidnap? [aka Dr. James Anderson]
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Post by Michael on Sept 1, 2007 12:12:35 GMT -5
I have never known Noso to be "stoop-shouldered" and I also wonder if this man seen walking by was actually "stoop-shoulder" or was walking like this in order to disguise his identity....or if he even was at all.
Jesse Pelletreau is someone I would think needs a 2nd opinion of support concerning his assertions. With all of the "in-fighting" going on during the re-investigation there doesn't appear to be anyone who liked him during that stretch. Ho-age especially felt he didn't have much skill and Sherwood accused him of stealing his material for the magazine articles and wrote to Gov. Hoffman to see if he could get his stuff back for him.
Behn appears to have more of his material then what's available at the NJSP Archives so I can only go by what I've read there.
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Post by rick3 on Sept 2, 2007 11:37:28 GMT -5
Pi-pio (in Hawaiian)--To bend over, as a tall, stoop-shouldered man ; to bend, as in bowing ; to bend forward. 2. To bend, as the rainbow. 2. To overflow; to effervesce, .....
Well Michael--we are only looking for actors and actresses to fill the various roles played out in the case. JJ Nosovitsky has been nominated for i) JJ Faulkner and ii) the stoop-shouldered lookout. They could be two different persons--like Fisch for instance (both are Jewish).
I put nearly no credence whatsoever in handwriting or graphology. I consider it "junk science"--especially if someone is paying you $50,000 to call it a match? It might have some use in document or signature forgeries to say it was not written or does not match so-and so, but positive or forward idents are harder to prove. Nevertheless, Jesse Pelletreau did not have an obvious motive to link Nosovitsky with the JJ Faulkner bank note or the letter absolving BRH? He claims to have offered his services to Reilly, but just like Hilda Braunlich was rejected and ignored? JP based his observations which were both lengthy and complex** on the formation of the letter "k" (eg an L + 3) and punctuation dots? the latter I cant find? But I suppose JP holds as much water as the Osbourne twins in a field of forgeries, errors and disguised writings. It was this same outfit of Osborn and Osborn which more recently positively identified Clifford Irving’s forgeries of Howard Hughes’ handwriting as being "unquestionably genuine", thus enabling Irving to defraud his publisher of $300,000.
It would be more reasonable to assume that Nosovitsky, like many others, just took unfair advantage of Charlie Jrs instant absence to recoup the $50,000 the senior Morrow and JP Morgan owed him for his efforts in Mexico City through the extortion route. He is very likely to know Means and maybe even Isador Fisch? And later sues Condon after being MIA for nearly 10 years. He was an accomplished forger and produced many official , yet phoney documents for WRH and Hearst News.
One thing fascinating about the search for the stoop-shouldered man is that it intensified AFTER BRH was arrested and Condon said that BRH was NOT CJ? Why--because if CJ was not Hauptmann, then the stoop-shouldered man was John?
On September 28th, 1934 Condon said "there will be another important arrest soon and the nature of this arrest will surprize everybody"? Justice officials added they are searchng for the "stoop-shouldered man" and a woman of Latin appearance as accomplices in the abduction? Everyone immediately began walking upright.
PS** I have the lengthy article in True Detective...the Search for Mr. X.
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Post by rita on Sept 2, 2007 17:45:26 GMT -5
Condon shook up Lindbergh with his later statements, and believe he was deliberatly making what everyone thought irrational statements, but calculated to make Lindbergh sweat out the implications. It was clear Condon was being bullied by Lindbergh police buddies looking for anyone to take blame and remove any hint of guilt on Lindbergh. Condon simply made it appear by acting out, that he was ready to implicate another party that made Lindbergh take the police heat off of Condon, and think it was a brilliant move by Condon who probably realized at that point the game was pin the tail.
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Post by rick3 on Dec 25, 2009 22:04:05 GMT -5
Condon shook up Lindbergh with his later statements, and believe he was deliberately making what everyone thought irrational statements, but calculated to make Lindbergh sweat out the implications. It was clear Condon was being bullied by Lindbergh police buddies looking for anyone to take blame and remove any hint of guilt on Lindbergh. Condon simply made it appear by acting out, that he was ready to implicate another party that made Lindbergh take the police heat off of Condon, and think it was a brilliant move by Condon who probably realized at that point the game was pin the tail. Rita makes an excellent observation about the unlikely partnership of the odd couple: CAL and JFC. In The Hound of the Baskervilles Sherlock Holmes [Nigel Bruce] disquises himself as an itinerant stoop-shouldered gypsy with a limp to fool Dr. Watson? Since we know for certain that Dr. Condon can't be the stoop-shouldered man it might be considered possible that CAL is one other logical candidate present? CALs penchant for hijinks and disguises would fit nicely along with his height; so he stoops as part of his disguise to appear shorter? This would encompass Lindbergh's persona quite nicely--maybe he wanted to keep his eye on JFC to make certain the ransom didn't just evaporate into thin air...or check for cops? Nevertheless, this elusive lookout has never been positively identified? Ho ho ho/ merry xmas to all!
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Post by Michael on Dec 27, 2009 9:58:33 GMT -5
Rick, Behn's material has been donated. www-sul.stanford.edu/depts/hasrg/ablit/amerlit/Noelbehn.htmlwww.oac.cdlib.org/data/13030/ww/kt0g5030ww/files/kt0g5030ww.pdf If you are thinking about springing for copies of some of the material - let me know and I will "chip in" what I can. I've seen people try to explain this away... That it was either Hauptmann, who then doubled back, or that it was someone unrelated to the case. You see how that works? It was a Confederate, just like Lindbergh proclaimed it was to the Police. Reading his account leaves no doubt, that is, unless you don't believe him. And if he's lying then you'd have to come up with a reason why. Rita's idea that Condon was sweating Lindbergh doesn't work for me. Condon was the only one sweating and that was being forced from both sides of the matter.
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Post by rick3 on Dec 27, 2009 10:32:46 GMT -5
Hi Michael--as you know I love these niggling little puzzles, like loose ends mentioned casually in passing, but never solved to anyones satisfaction? Even the primary witnesses, like CAL, never speculate on who these actors/players are? Its almost as IF noone wants to know who they are because it might upset the apple cart? Most of them "revolve" around Condon and/or CAL...phone caller, second cab driver, scissor sharpener, Tuckahoe gypsy, et al? We probably "know" them all but they stay in the dark shadows of anonimity. Sorry about my fickleness towards the stoop-shouldered man....he too must be someone we know: - CAL is tall, slim and loves to dress up--likes to be clever.
- Noso would be a fascinating addition to St. Raymonds--strengthening his other roles in the kidnap/extortion.
- Septimus John Banks wife Rose is buried there too?
- I suppose it could be FBI, NJSP, etc signalling to CAL--the coast is clear? If so, why not admit it later?
- Is Fisch too short to be stoop shouldered?
- Yes, but Confederate to whom? The elusive CJ? [likely Fisch, not BRH]
- Does Condon or anyone but CAL see him? Is he fat or thin?
- Surely CAL would remember BRH if he had seen him!
- Why would any kidnapper be signalling to CAL--knowing him armed? Or is he just saying--"thanks for the money sucker"--Your Kid is Already Dead? ( pretty big cajones!)
- Who is your top candidate for this stoop-shouldered man and what key role is he playing in the ransom transfer? Lookout?
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Post by wolf2 on Dec 27, 2009 18:21:03 GMT -5
banks wife is indeed buried at st raymonds.
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Post by rick3 on Dec 28, 2009 8:35:14 GMT -5
Here are a few ;more specific facts about the "stoop-shouldered man with the hankercheif" seen by Lindbergh at St. Raymonds courtesy of Scapegoat pages 316 to 318. Accourding to eyewithness testimony by Condon and Reich...this man was also called "lookout" or "accomplice" when seen at Woodlawn Cemetary. Description: age: 30 height: 5'7"; weight 150 pounds; complexion: oval face/ dark.....eg short and swarthy**: possibly a Calabrease Italian? or Italian American? Yikes...lets eliminate CAL for the time being--at least at Woodlawn? Sounds more like Peter Birritella? Or a member of Condon's "statto citti" Mafia? [shutup!] OR Noso stooping over 3" OR Izzy Fisch? Lindberghs Description at St. Raymonds: same as above including dark complexion and an odd gait. "Lindbergh NEVER mentioned this encounter to the Jury? or to Harold Nicholson"--Sen. Morrows biographer? "By withholding this information, Lindbergh seems to have played a deliberate role in the construction of a false prosecution script {con-spiracy?} to convict BRH" Scapegoat/ p. 318 Tony Scaduto [eg a systematic suppression of evidence--Hole in the Hauptman Case by Major Pease p23] **dont forget Charlie Schleser?and his buddy:Joe DeGrasi who had a limp? hmmmm...see Gardner p. 247. See: disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi?disc=141545;article=46510;[999 is 666 upsidedown]
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Post by Michael on Dec 29, 2009 16:50:26 GMT -5
Not to the Trial Jury in Flemington.....
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Post by rick3 on Dec 29, 2009 19:13:36 GMT -5
Not to the Trial Jury in Flemington..MM... Im sure there were other Trials and Hearings....Curtis'/ Means/ Parker/ Wendel....but BRH was the only one sent to the gallows? So who suppressed CAL's testimony from the other Trials? AG Wilintz? DH Reilly? NJSP?
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Post by Michael on Dec 30, 2009 18:11:42 GMT -5
The same case could be made concerning his prior testimony that he could not identify the voice he had heard... then he goes and does exactly that in Flemington.
Or when the Prosecution convicted Curtis of obstructing justice for dealing with, and refusing to turn over the "gang" but turns around and convicts Hauptmann as being the "Lone Wolf."
And just for good measure they "hide" Curtis in Phila during the trial. The reasons for that were two-fold. "Hide" him from the Defense so that they couldn't call him to ruin the Prosecutions "Lone-Wolf" theory, and keep him in reserve just in case the Defense can make a case for Confederates without him. That way, if they do, they pull in Curtis to say Hauptmann was one of the men he was dealing with.
One would expect the "good-guys" wouldn't pull these types of dirty tricks....but they did and quite often.
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Post by wolf2 on Dec 30, 2009 20:38:12 GMT -5
mike, i always red that reilly didnt want to use curtis at the flemington trial. its been a long time since i read the article i forgot why
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Post by Michael on Dec 31, 2009 7:22:51 GMT -5
Steve,
It's been a while since I focused on Curtis. If I found that article I would have to compare it to the chrono of the material I have. I know Fisher wanted to use him, but we also know that Reilly was a loose canon during the trial and did some off the wall things. Moreover, there's no doubt that Curtis was playing both sides of the fence after his conviction and before the trial. I believe I even have a letter to the Governor from him claiming he never said Hauptmann was one of the men when I know that's not true.... (But of course I'd have to find it before I would 100% commit to its existence).
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Post by wolf2 on Dec 31, 2009 10:45:15 GMT -5
yea, me to. i have the article, but would have to dig. have a great new year
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Post by jack7 on Mar 26, 2010 7:36:37 GMT -5
Another link above:
Receipt for monies paid by Evelyn Walsh McLean to Nosovitsky.
He had her paying him to investigate a crime that he, himself had comitted? Sorry Gaston - Noso is the ultimate rogue because you got caught.
I agree, Kevkon, that Noso on paper would seem an over-the-hill James Bond, but he keeps popping up.
So now there is an involvee, Nosovitsky, with links to Dwight Morrow Sr., and a $ 50K link, J.E. Hoover, Isidor Fisch, Wally Stroh and (indirectly) Dinny Doyle (cousin or whatever of Jafsie), and Evelyn Walsh McLean. Not only that, but Nosovitsky is known to use the alias of J.J. Faulkner (NYPD) and Governor Hoffmann's investigator says his handwriting matches that of JJ's deposit slip and two letters signed JJ.
Stroh, who knew and was friendly with Noso said he didn't think he'd be an extortionist - would be THE CULPRIT!
Faulkner's letters attempted to exhonerate (an impossibility of course) Hauptmann to some degree - as did the table.
Is everything starting to make sense?
All we need is a unconjucated marriage agreement between Nosovitsky and Violet Sharpe or Betty Gow or Henrick Johnson or Jafsie and the crime is solved.
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