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Post by rita on Feb 4, 2007 0:35:23 GMT -5
By the symbol there is written amL3, and figures as am frequency range L3 for coil three, or frequency band three. there are two squiggly lines often used to represent frequency, one in each circle perhaps plot of polar to rectangular coordinates of some range within these two circular compass areas perhaps known to Lindbergh. The two colored inner circles have pie sections slightly darker that clearly resemble the eye tube pattern used in old short wave radios, and were used to show when Carrier frequency was peaked on a particular station. I think someone good with charts of the area might be able to make something of those symbols mathematically, and can't tell if they represent something familiar to Lindbergh either by short wave of typographically. Has anyone ever asked someone mathematically inclined about the compass marks, and the (am) reference to short wave, and the short wave coil (L3)?
It is still the reason they used the mystical symbolism. I have studied electronics in school and we used polar and rectangular coordinates to develop frequency components, and is why I recognized the strange squiggly lines as a possible frequency range in the am short wave band three am L3. It demonstrates how far they went to deceive the investigators, and could not have done by simple carpenters.
I know this particular short wave system, because my father had one. When he came back to The U.S. they made him re-apply for short wave operator in English, and had all all country call letters and code for the test for study. The symbolism gave the cover needed to divert investigators into looking for a strange kidnapper, and CAL finished the cover by selecting Condon most likely through Breckenridge and Rosner. If someone had one of the old short wave sets the station information might be able to be traced back maybe even to location with similar weather conditions.
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Post by Michael on Feb 4, 2007 8:03:19 GMT -5
Rita,
I've seen both pictures and the real thing at the Archives - I cannot recall seeing "amL3" anywhere on the notes nor do I recall anyone who examined them having seen this either.
What is your source for this?
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Post by rita on Feb 4, 2007 22:58:12 GMT -5
Ronnelles site has the nursery note with the am L3 holls. It doesn't take any imagination at all to realize that this means am short wave band symbolic (L) for coil or third band short wave . ?The circles drawn by a compass as well indicate to me educated in electronics plotting of mathematical formula for both possibility of either a frequency range, or the plotting of map coordinates. Others have tried to attribute the aml as family signature but together with the pie section in the colored canters can only mean a mathematical formula. www.lindberghkidnappinghoax.com/nurserynote.jpg
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Post by Michael on Feb 5, 2007 10:18:02 GMT -5
So you are suggesting that: signature and 3 holds [sic] (holes) has a double-meaning and/or secret code contained therein?
This is an interesting theory.
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Post by Joe on Feb 5, 2007 11:22:10 GMT -5
In my opinion, this is just another example of Hauptmann's attempt to disguise his handwriting coupled with his oft-demonstrated and plain lousy spelling consistency.
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Post by Michael on Feb 5, 2007 11:35:41 GMT -5
Where else do you find Hauptmann consistently spelling "oles" as "olds" Although my money would be on the disguise factor a suggestion of a code here is definitely an 'outside of the box' type strategy which is the type of thing which may ultimately lead us to the logical conclusion of the case.
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Post by rita on Feb 5, 2007 11:44:59 GMT -5
Michael, Think there are too many mathematical hints in the otherwise mystical symbolism to overlook that possibility. Rick pointed out that no kidnapper or serial killer has ever gone through his drafting class assortment of writing tools to make such a complicated ID. This puts the real brains on a higher educational level than a carpenter, in fact I see polar coordinates placed within the circumference of a circle made by a compass. The writer was either referring to a plot point on a map or a short wave radio frequency, and possibly Lindbergh recognized a past rendezvous point or familiar radio frequency.
Joe when I studied German at the university we were taught to spell spoken German words as sounding in English, and my contention is the writer of the ransom note did just that. The German Counsel in London interpreter at that time made a report to that effect. If you are taught English from natural speaking German you would pronounce and write English as sounding in German, and would not get (boad).
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Post by Joe on Feb 5, 2007 12:30:52 GMT -5
You don't, and it's a perfect example of the lack of consistency in his spelling. It's almost as though he seems to be pulling one of many possible spelling versions out of the air at any given time.
Despite my belief this is no more than a writing disguise / spelling tick, and to offer some support to the radio signal theory, there is the warning within one of the last ransom letters that the kidnappers had the same type of radio equipment as the police. I'd call that one coincidence more than anything else though.
Or perhaps this symbol is the work of someone who otherwise might not have come up with something so elaborate, but found it more pleasurable and easier to do so, when under the influence of some kind of stimulant. The same kind of stimulant that would inspire anyone to take on a crime of such a bizarre nature.
Well, Hauptmann obviously wrote "boad" in his memo book, in addition to spelling it as "boat" in the same book. Another example of his inconsistent English language spelling habits. I think it's safe to say he didn't seem to observe any hard and fast rules about learning the English language after having being schooled in German. And I don't think there are any hard and fast rules here.
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Post by kevkon on Feb 5, 2007 15:58:22 GMT -5
Watch it, I resemble that remark!
Actually most technically trained Germans would probably put us to shame.
What draftsman's tools are required for this "singnature" anyway? It is hardly an example of precision draftsmanship.
As a side note, I saw almost the exact geometric form (without dem holes) in a representation of the WWI German machine gun field of fire. One gun on each end of a trench and the intersection of their radius of fire is the "killing zone". Probably their are many other possible inspirations to be found.
Who thinks it possible that the Nursery note could have been created at the site?
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Post by rita on Feb 5, 2007 23:28:26 GMT -5
Michael. I think there may be other similar instances of items that appear ordinary at first look, and something like a possible re-evaluation might serve as a key to solving the case.
Joe, I'm glad you mentioned the gang had radio equipment to monitor police with. My father was questioned on his short wave use during that period, and think this may have been hidden from investigators on the case.
Kevkon, I don't think just using a compass to be difficult, but the several ransom symbol technical characteristic, two circles joined could have logic meaning, the mathematical pie section in colored circle, L3 could be a coil in radio diagram.
What meaning it gives to the case would be that Lindbergh recognized information he kept from police, we don't know for what reason, but may take a second reading to understand.
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Post by rita on Feb 9, 2007 1:12:15 GMT -5
The symbolic signature of the ransom note may have brought us closer to a solution of the case. We know from history there was a political feud going on between Senator Lindbergh and the Roosevelt's who wanted to implement the Federal Reserve System that now places U.S. ownership in the hands of greedy foreign bankers who cut our dollar value to one tenth of it pre war value.
This may well be part of the reason for the kidnap, and think another reason to look at the complete Rice note if anyone has it. I was looking at some rare WW1 stereo pictures yesterday and found James Roosevelt's Grave site buried where he fell in WW1. Rice was in Naval Intelligence, and Franklin Roosevelt was Navy Secretary, and Rice note may have been an accusative report in the whole version. The only reason I can see for an accusative report with a Schwartzkopf denial sparring Franklin Roosevelt would be some form of complicity, say Revenge.
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Post by mairi on Jun 30, 2007 16:52:23 GMT -5
This may be one of my extra far-fetched days, but will venture this anyway. Any chance the ransom paper was already "damaged" with three holes when the kidnapper decided to use it? ( and decorate it some more with the ink). While I'm being far-out--albeit two circles or O's, does OSS come to mind? (I'll probably be "smote" right off the board :
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Post by kevkon on Jun 30, 2007 17:12:23 GMT -5
I will throw this out. At the lumberyard that I use they are kinda old fashioned (cheap?). Anyway, the yardman writes down the lumber count on a yard ticket. In this case that happens to be a scrap of wood which has quartered sheets of letter size paper (discarded copies) attached with a couple of finish nails. You never know. PS, I hope no one on this board smites you for expressing an idea.
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Post by rita on Jun 30, 2007 18:28:16 GMT -5
Has anyone ever checked to see if there was a Mersman Table at the Hopewell House? I find the Mersman Table interesting part of the case, as an Uncle sold Mersman Furniture by catalog in different states, and was again questioned in the fifties by the FBI. Very often such catalog dealers of decorating items would sell the new households entire furnishings. I have suspected the table was at Hopewell House and later given back to the decorator catalog man to dispose of, and brings to mind the Sam Shepard case which I also had a decorator friend who sold catalog to that house where some furnishings came into question.
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Post by cassie on Nov 10, 2008 15:20:06 GMT -5
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Post by jdanniel on Jul 9, 2009 16:03:14 GMT -5
This reminds me of the 340-character cipher that the Zodiac Killer sent out in 1969 or so. He sent one out that was eventually cracked, but the 340-character one has never, ever been cracked.
A woman recently claimed her father was the Zodiac Killer, and that she actually accompanied him on his killing sprees. She claims to know how to crack the code, but as of yet has not done so.
Her attorney, by the way, was disbarred.
The ransom letters's signatures (which I've seen in person) do not appear to waver in shape, size, or dimension in any way, which indicates the author(s) had a well-planned and highly uniform way of generating them.
I wish I were able to perform more specific measuring of the signatures, but Mr. Falzini was kind enough to show me the "confession" table and how the letters lined up with it. Compelling evidence, indeed, but is it really evidence?
The point of all this rambling being: There is no way that I can think of for us to determine if the signature was created by a brilliant criminal mastermind, or someone who just got lucky.
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Post by Michael on Jul 10, 2009 6:12:17 GMT -5
Jd,
Any thoughts as to whether or not you think the symbol designed with a meaning behind it as well?
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