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Post by jack7 on Mar 26, 2010 22:13:49 GMT -5
Jack for seteshI:
Do you mean BRH knew JFC socially, or in some illegal way?
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Post by jack7 on Mar 26, 2010 22:17:51 GMT -5
Jack for rmc1971:
In your opinion, rmc, do you think that if Hauptmann was truly CJ he would have continued his presence near to Condon (the island, etc.)?
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Post by rmc1971 on Mar 26, 2010 22:37:28 GMT -5
Jack for rmc1971: In your opinion, rmc, do you think that if Hauptmann was truly CJ he would have continued his presence near to Condon (the island, etc.)? Jack Well, I'm not 100% sold on Hauptmann being CJ. But even if he were, and Condon spotted him, who was going to believe Condon at that point in the game?
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Post by jack7 on Mar 26, 2010 22:55:23 GMT -5
Darn good point!
Condon fingered, or tried to finger so many that who was believing him anymore?
In your opinion rmc, and this would be of course from your own exclusive knowledge of the crime, that at the money drop (St. Raymonds Cemetary) there was more than one person meeting Condon? That is, from your knowledge and thinking do you honestly believe CJII had people with him?
And I may ask you more about this question if you actually have information.
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Post by jack7 on Mar 26, 2010 22:59:49 GMT -5
Jack for seteshI:
Did you see the offers in the members only section - easy to join and FREE!!
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Post by rmc1971 on Mar 26, 2010 23:58:55 GMT -5
Jack - I don't have any special facts or info regarding the LKC, so I hope I didn't infer that I did in previous posts. My gut reaction on this has been that Hauptmann was part of a group involved in the crime (with someone in the group having some level of connection to the family), and happened to be the last man standing as far as having access to the money goes. And since him being the last man standing meant the brains of the operation was not in the picture to monitor laundering the money, he spent the money carelessly and got caught. That's been my thinking on this, but would love someday to see how close it is to what really happened.
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Post by jack7 on Mar 27, 2010 0:14:02 GMT -5
Jack For RMC:
Thanks so much! Your "gut-reaction" is what is important!
Not only that, but your views of how the money was spent is a valid contributor to this crime file.
Would you do me a favor and, as an important contributor to the Lindbergh crime files, contact me if you ever hear any new news at jack7737@hotmail.com?
Thanks, rmc - I'll be watching and hoping we meet again,
Jack
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Post by Michael on Mar 27, 2010 8:14:27 GMT -5
I believe they were known to each other. I believe if Hauptmann wrote anything it was the address. He didn't write the phone number.
If it were just due to "seeing" each other around, like on City Island, then why wouldn't Jafsie tell the Cops that? Actually he did say he knew who he was - didn't he? You see, Condon said so much that I believe it was a preemptive - an attempt at protecting himself if something went wrong.
An excellent theory. I've always believed "they" were pre-paid some then the rest after. The ransom probably didn't draw interest from all that were involved.
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Post by kevkon on Mar 27, 2010 9:32:48 GMT -5
Michael, what's your estimate on the amount of people it would take to get from the top to BRH?
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Post by wolf2 on Mar 27, 2010 9:37:18 GMT -5
a fbi file i have on the writngs in the babys closet heres a quote----THE ABOVE SERIAL NUMBERS DO NOT APPEAR IN THE U.S. TREASURY,NJSP, OR DIVISION LISTS OF SERIAL NUMBERS. HOWEVER, IT APPEARS THAT HAUPTMANN MAY HAVE PURPOSELY LEFT BLANK THE FIRST FOUR DIGITS IN EACH SERIAL NUMBER, INASMUCH AS THERE APPEARS AMONG THE SERIAL NUMBERS OF THE 5.00 BILLS THE FOLLOWING NUMBER: B-49349272-A, AND AMONG THE SERIAL NUMBERS OF THE 10.00 BILLS THERE APPEARS THE NUMBER: A-77967162-A. IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE LAST FOUR DIGITS OF THESE TWO NUMBERS ARE THE SAME AS THE NUMBERS APPEARING ON THE DOOR.
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Post by jack7 on Mar 27, 2010 10:43:01 GMT -5
Good job Wolf! I thought I read that someplace, and then as far as I've seen, writers have ignored it.
That about nails Hauptmann's casket.
First sentence of any new book?
Do you have more on Lackey, Wolf? Or anything about St. Raymonds?
If Noso was recognized by BI agents - and left alone - what have we here?
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Post by jack7 on Mar 27, 2010 11:13:17 GMT -5
If Hauptmann was initially paid in "clean cash" or first laundered money - as I stated long ago, and Michael says he believes also - the frugal BRH could have probably gotten by on about 10K - he did have some prior savings, remember. But he would either have had to have gotten that in cash or be confident enough about his money supplier to make him continue. NSDAP could have supplied cash, but who else? Noso and Fisch except for their possible/probable? connections must have looked like a couple real losers at the time compared to Richard. Was Noso con enough to make Richard confident that he'd ever even see any $$? Fisch seems unlikely for that job. Or did he/they have something on Richard (illegal) which made him do it in spite of cash? Then you'd think he'd have told Anna about his problems - secrets to the grave!
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Post by kevkon on Mar 27, 2010 13:02:59 GMT -5
I can't say I'm on board with the pre-pay theory, I would need a lot more detail on exactly how that would have worked. Regardless, we still have Hauptmann undertaking a crime which defies all rational sense. I know it has been offered that the choice of Lindbergh as a target was based partially or totally on some personal psychological reason, ie obsession. Problem with that is I have never seen anyone offer up anything convincing that would reinforce that notion. Of course the irony in all of the post LKC discussion is how little attention is actually paid to Hauptmann. In many ways his pre LKC life is a mystery. For reasons I would prefer not to go into here, I have good reason to believe that he was engaged in activities other than those legitimate ones we know of. Would Anna know this? Depending on whom I talk to it's possible or out of the question. I really don't know. It is pretty hard for me to understand how the investigators sent to Germany came away with one impression of BRH while Anna came away with the opposite.
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Post by jack7 on Mar 27, 2010 16:14:30 GMT -5
Very nice to see you (and I hope others) thinking.
Think about this:
Richard Hauptmann - absolutely no ties to NSDAP. Jacob Nosovitsky - absolutely no ties to NSDAP. In fact an anti-Communist fighter(1920-30). Isaidor Fisch - absolutely no ties to NSDAP.
Almost any German/American could be tied in some way to the German movement of the 1930's but not these guys!
They never attended functions - dances, bingo - neither of them ever did a thing for NSDAP! Isn't that relative in it's unrelation?
I know my sources - you look 'em up and do some work.
Steve hit on numbers - haha!
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