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Post by wolf2 on Sept 21, 2009 19:24:27 GMT -5
on saturday oct17, mike krakowski a forensic document examiner, will talk at the monmouth library "the mystery in hauptmans writing. a forensic lecture on the lindbergh ransom notes." i know himm very well, and hes been studying hauptmans writing a long time
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Post by Michael on Sept 23, 2009 5:39:46 GMT -5
He is better known as "Script" on Allen's "talk but don't listen" bored.
Check out the handwriting threads on this board if you plan on attending. Print them out, and bring them along for his Q&A session. Don't forget to ask him when he concluded Hauptmann wrote the notes and what he based that on BEFORE going to the NJSP Archives to make a proper examination.
I just might have to make this one....
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Post by wolf2 on Sept 23, 2009 6:16:52 GMT -5
mike, i dont need to. hes been studying his handwriting for a while. ive read some of his research, its on the money. it would be great to see you there. im going to the halls and mills talk in new brunswick tomorrow with sue
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Post by Michael on Sept 23, 2009 15:49:57 GMT -5
Anyone who concludes something based upon xerox copies of newspaper articles and pictures in Haring's book isn't reliable if you ask me.
Just as recent as 4/08 he's seeing words in Hauptmann's book that aren't even those words. "Pott Soap" becomes "Pox Soap." Once I posted the actual document it became apparent to EVERYONE what the word really was. Yet, he's the "expert." How'd he miss something we ALL see?
I'll give you 3 guesses and the first two don't count.
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Post by wolf2 on Sept 24, 2009 9:10:12 GMT -5
well, i think haring did a great job with that. as far as mike krakowskis lecture, hes not concluding anything hes showing you what he thinkls and researched on the handwriting
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Post by Michael on Sept 24, 2009 15:31:30 GMT -5
It would be nice to see him confess how and when he first concluded what he does now. Also lay out the mistakes he made, show why he made them, then explain what changed his mind.
"Expert" sounds so perfect doesn't it?
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Post by wolf2 on Sept 26, 2009 7:47:23 GMT -5
but more experts said hauptmann wrote them then not
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Post by Michael on Sept 26, 2009 7:54:19 GMT -5
They did? Let's qualify what you've written....
Who and when? Did they use the "requests" that by todays standards for this science would be considered tainted?
If not what were they're conclusions?
What are their levels of criteria? Did those you mention, who didn't use the "requests" conclude or identify Hauptmann was the Author?
Don't get me wrong, I am 50/50 personally as to whether or not he wrote the notes, however, I don't like things thrown around with omissions in order for what's said to be true.
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Post by wolf2 on Sept 28, 2009 19:30:58 GMT -5
im not throwing around anything, i just think studying this case a long time and reading and seeing peoples comments through the years, in my opinion hauptmann wrote the notes. mike krakowski is a document examiner who put alot of time into the studying of hauptmanns handwriting. i cant wait to hear what he has to say
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Post by Michael on Sept 29, 2009 6:02:52 GMT -5
Steve,
You are a real Reseacher and I both care and listen to everything you say. I've followed "Script" posts from the very beginning when he said he concluded Hauptmann wrote the notes based upon xerox copies of old newspapers and pictures in Haring's book.
One doesn't need to be a "document examiner" to know that is not only improper its assinine. You don't conclude first then make a proper examination. Additionally, he posts that he sees things that just aren't there (e.g. "Pox Soap" when its "Pott Soap")
And so, armed with this information, I conclude the Man's opinions are worthless.
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Post by wolf2 on Sept 29, 2009 18:49:33 GMT -5
are you talking about krakowski? how can you conclude something without hearing him? i know i wouldnt say that about gardner although i disagree with alot of things he claims. ive listened to behn, mrs hauiptmanns lawyer,scaduto, and many others on the hauptmann supporting bandwagon. i even had a arguement with a lindbergh baby kennith kerwin, but that wasnt worth it. i dont fight with lindbergh babys anymore. you should try to make it i will be there
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Post by Michael on Sept 29, 2009 19:19:31 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I have been reading his stuff from the very beginning. I was telling him that Hauptmann was told to spell certain words by the Police and he claimed it wasn't true. Of course I knew it was due to the fact I was in possession of documentation.... but it wasn't until a carpenter named Kelvin posted on one or two of those documents that "Script" then conceded. How does an Expert miss this? How does an Expert deny the truth unless certain people say it happened?
I don't have time for that nonsense. I would like to see you though but honestly, I'd rather attend a Robert Aldinger lecture then listen to someone who concluded Hauptmann wrote the notes before making a proper examination.
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Post by wolf2 on Oct 1, 2009 12:03:22 GMT -5
mike, your to good of a researher to backpeddle. i went to lectures on all sides of the case its not as bad as you think. you get to meet people with the same beliefs. besides i have to try to get a free beer out of you
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Post by Michael on Oct 1, 2009 16:16:42 GMT -5
The Mystery in Hauptmann's Handwriting: A Forensic Lecture on the Lindberg Ransom Notes Oct. 17th - Monmouth County Library
Time: 11:00 AM
Location: Headquarters
Contact: 732-431-7220 During the Great Depression, the abduction of the Lindbergh baby and subsequent trail of his kidnapper captured the attention of an already grim public.
For over seventy-five years, investigators in the Lindbergh kidnapping case have been accused by some of framing Bruno Richard Hauptmann with handwriting specimens. At this unique presentation, you will have an opportunity to examine a rarely seen autobiography that was handwritten by Hauptmann, guided by Michael Krakowski, forensic document examiner.
Decide for yourself: is there sufficient handwriting evidence within the samples to conclude guilt...or innocence?
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Post by wolf2 on Oct 17, 2009 20:51:01 GMT -5
went to the handwriting lecture, im more convinced that hauptmann wrote all the notes. mike did a great job presenting his well researched conclusion.
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Post by Michael on Nov 5, 2009 19:45:24 GMT -5
Lindbergh document evidence to be topic "Hauptmann's Handwriting," a program examining the handwriting evidence in the 1932 kidnapping of the Lindbergh baby, is set for 1:30 p.m. Nov. 7 at the Old Bridge Public Library Main Branch, Route 516 and Cottrell Road.
Guest presenter will be Michael Krakowski, a court-qualified forensic document examiner who has conducted research on the case's handwriting evidence and ransom notes allegedly written by Bruno Richard Hauptmann.
The program is free of charge and open to the public. All are welcome to attend.
For more information, call 732-721- 5600, ext. 5033.
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