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Post by sue75 on Nov 24, 2006 20:36:13 GMT -5
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Post by Michael on Nov 26, 2006 15:47:12 GMT -5
So far this has me stumped. My money is on Sam coming up with the right answer.
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Post by leah for sue on Nov 27, 2006 15:04:02 GMT -5
sue, i dont have any idea who is with charlie but it looks like the home in maine. i remember anne saying in one of her letters or diaries that she had just recently viewed the home movies her aunt had taken of the baby. my impression was that she hadn't seen them prior to that time.
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Post by leah on Nov 27, 2006 15:24:26 GMT -5
there is a picture of the baby in Hour of Gold, Hour of Lead that shows this window with the corner of the bench seen in both. the baby has the same shirt on in each and the woman looks like the picture of betty with ollie in behn's book to me. i dont think anne was in north haven that summer but a day or so and we know betty was there with the baby.
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Post by sue75 on Nov 27, 2006 23:13:42 GMT -5
Leah,
What photo (page number) in Hour of Gold, Hour of Lead are you looking at?
Sue
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Post by leah on Nov 28, 2006 8:25:36 GMT -5
sue, look next to page 211 and also in the section next to page 275. the picture of deacon's point shows the same three windows with the bench in front. i have a book club editon of this book.
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Post by Joe on Nov 28, 2006 9:51:40 GMT -5
Leah, yes, you're right about the location of the "Charlie at the window" video being the Morrow House at North Haven, Maine. (Deacon Brown's Point) The bench position lines up with the far right window, the curtains are the same type and the siding colour matches. (picture set between pgs. 274 and 275) Nice work!
From Berg's Lindbergh biography, it seems for this time period, Charlie was exclusively in the care of Grandma Bee (Betty Morrow) and Betty Gow. The woman in the video doesn't appear to be either one. Possibly one of the servants from Englewood helping out for the summer at North Haven and asked to supervise Charlie during the filming?
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Post by mairi on Nov 28, 2006 18:01:53 GMT -5
Sue and Leah and Joe~ What do you make of the date with the home movie clip? Was the baby in Maine only until Oct? Is Oct when Dwight Sr died?
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Post by leah on Nov 28, 2006 19:26:34 GMT -5
mairi, the baby lived in princeton with betty, the whatelys and his parents when they were home. anne carted him to englewood to stay with family from time to time. his 1st birthday was celebrated with family at next day hill. in july, betty and baby took the train to maine to stay while parents were on a three month jaunt to the orient. the parents flew to maine and stayed overnight before leaving. the morrows stayed in maine until august but returned home because dwight was running for senate. bettty stayed in maine alone with the baby and a cook. she met red there that summer and he was her only company. dwight died early in oct and the baby stayed in maine until after his death then returned to next day hill with betty. CAL and Anne returned home (to next day hill) in mid-oct. anne then gave betty 3months vacation so she (anne) could care for the baby herself. this is when the baby started preschool at auntie elisabeth's little school . when betty gow returned with the baby, red moved to a boarding house to be near her. he was unemployed because lamonts boat had been docked for the winter. this is from hertog's book and anne's diary, hour of gold hour of lead
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Post by Michael on Nov 28, 2006 19:50:42 GMT -5
It's got to either be a Staff Member or a Family Member. With all of the input so far I should be able to come up with a list. The problem for me is that I do not know what everyone looks like. This woman looks older then say - Betty Gow.
Joe are you sure this isn't Betty Morrow? I have no idea what she looked like.
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Post by mairi on Nov 28, 2006 22:02:57 GMT -5
Leah~ So many thanks for the good overview! Your summary of that time frame and the locations are very helpful . I'm printing it off for my ref notebook. I'd like very much to read the two books you mentioned. Have just a few more pages of the 5 LKC books I ordered and one book has yet to arrive. Thanx again. Best Wishes
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Post by Joe on Nov 29, 2006 8:29:04 GMT -5
Michael, I'm pretty certain it's not Betty Morrow. There are a couple of photos of her for comparison: Berg - photo section after page 180 and Kennedy - photo section after page 150. This appears to be one of those instances where early film, lighting and shadows have combined for a distorting effect of the person's normally assumed features and proportions. It might be a real surprise someday to find out it was someone overlooked for this reason.
There are more videos of Charlie shot around this time than I realized and from the surroundings, they appear to have been taken on Morrow property. If we knew who normally shot the family movies and whose camera it was, might tell us more about some of the cast. I can well imagine the Morrows having their own camera or even someone on staff whose job description included preserving their movements for family enjoyment and posterity.
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Post by leah for joe on Nov 29, 2006 9:37:35 GMT -5
joe, i agree that many of the photos of the baby seem tto be from that same day at deacon's point. in one of her writings after charlie's death anne mentions seeing movies of the baby her aunt had taken that she had never viewed before. i'll try to find that .
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Post by Leah on Nov 29, 2006 16:24:38 GMT -5
aunt alice, dwight's sister sent anne the movies during the summer of 32. anne had never seen them until that time and was disappointed in them
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Post by sue75 on Nov 30, 2006 4:22:12 GMT -5
There is a letter type-written on March 1, 1976 from a Marian C. Scott recounting the night Alice Morrow came aboard a ship in Istanbul. This woman says she was instructed by the captain to tell Alice, because she was the only woman on board, that the baby's body had been found. So this must be May 1932. She (Marian) states that the "only pictures of the baby ever made were snapped by Mrs. Morrow and herself on the baby's birthday." She goes on to say that the Lindberghs never allowed pictures to be taken of the baby, but that Mrs. Morrow and Aunt Alice took them anyway. -- from the University of Virginia Library --
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