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Post by Joe on Oct 22, 2023 9:04:34 GMT -5
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Post by thestonesunturned on Oct 22, 2023 12:57:53 GMT -5
Don't see it...
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Post by Joe on Oct 22, 2023 13:55:23 GMT -5
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Post by Michael on Oct 22, 2023 21:05:32 GMT -5
This has got to be a joke. Wikipedia as a source for anything is a problem, but to use it because of what they don't have? They routinely remove legitimate information while also retaining the bad. I advise everyone who visits this source to research the footnotes before accepting what is written there. The moderators seem to be random as well as fluid. My impression is most are probably HS and College students who have little knowledge about the subjects they moderate. 95% of my contributions were still there last I checked, so at least that information is legit.
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Post by Joe on Oct 24, 2023 12:08:58 GMT -5
This has got to be a joke. Wikipedia as a source for anything is a problem, but to use it because of what they don't have? They routinely remove legitimate information while also retaining the bad. I advise everyone who visits this source to research the footnotes before accepting what is written there. The moderators seem to be random as well as fluid. My impression is most are probably HS and College students who have little knowledge about the subjects they moderate. 95% of my contributions were still there last I checked, so at least that information is legit. It was a light-hearted jab and wasn't intended to even suggest that Wikipedia was the go-to location for accurate source information. But you may want to consider this fact. From a veritable cornucopia of living, breathing and even much older theories mentioned within this Wiki entry, the Lindbergh Kidnapping Case has somehow avoided even the broad radar of potential conspiracy notion. To your point about authorship, certainly conspiracism has attracted a much broader appeal and interest over the past fifty 'information age' years, but one would have at least thought that the 'Crime of the Century' would have gained some press, if there was anything deemed to be substantial there. Perhaps this is your opportunity to right any perceived wrong here. At the same time, I find it very interesting that writer James Perloff, who has written a number of books attempting to expose government corruption, has a lengthy medical career and who previously posted at this discussion board, found little grist for the 'conspiracy mill' here. Let's make no mistake that he would have latched onto anything at all that ran strongly against the grain of the general historical narrative, if he had had reason to believe that it actually existed. And while his specialized, experiential information and insights were lauded by many site members during the time he was here, it's quite apparent his efforts were not appreciated by its moderator. Perloff was one individual who tried just about as hard as anyone I've seen here to see even a proven flicker of criminal responsibility beyond Richard Hauptmann and the accepted, general historical narrative within this case. And I certainly understand his reticence to keep flogging a dead horse.
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Post by Michael on Oct 24, 2023 18:02:34 GMT -5
It was a light-hearted jab and wasn't intended to even suggest that Wikipedia was the go-to location for accurate source information. But you may want to consider this fact. From a veritable cornucopia of living, breathing and even much older theories mentioned within this Wiki entry, the Lindbergh Kidnapping Case has somehow avoided even the broad radar of potential conspiracy notion. To your point about authorship, certainly conspiracism has attracted a much broader appeal and interest over the past fifty 'information age' years, but one would have at least thought that the 'Crime of the Century' would have gained some press, if there was anything deemed to be substantial there. Perhaps this is your opportunity to right any perceived wrong here. Again, reread my original response and apply it in spades. Next, for every Lone Wolf crime, I'd wager there are at least 200 conspiracies or more. As a reminder, a "conspiracy" is when two or more people conspire to commit a crime. Most crimes involve more than one person in one way or another. As an example, just before my retirement, Inmates were coming to me claiming to be victims of identity theft. From there they made their official claims using their incarceration as proof they were not the ones utilizing lines of credit in their names. One by one more and more Inmates came into my office making the same exact claims. By about the third guy I absolutely knew there was a scam going on causing me to write it up and turn it over. Turns out, Inmates were selling their personal information to a group on the street, and once the lines of credit were exhausted or closed for non-payment, they would claim identity theft to get everything cleaned up and reinstated. Huge conspiracy involving hundreds if not thousands of people. At the same time, I find it very interesting that writer James Perloff, who has written a number of books attempting to expose government corruption, has a lengthy medical career and who previously posted at this discussion board, found little grist for the 'conspiracy mill' here. Let's make no mistake that he would have latched onto anything at all that ran strongly against the grain of the general historical narrative, if he had had reason to believe that it actually existed. And while his specialized, experiential information and insights were lauded by many site members during the time he was here, it's quite apparent his efforts were not appreciated by its moderator. Perloff was one individual who tried just about as hard as anyone I've seen here to see even a proven flicker of criminal responsibility beyond Richard Hauptmann and the accepted, general historical narrative within this case. And I certainly understand his reticence to keep flogging a dead horse. When Perloff wrote what he did, he was in agreement with much of what I believe. Being a Lindbergh admirer, he resisted the idea that he was involved in any way. In fact, he was a big fan of the Dr. Marlis theory. That theory was, as I recall, the Jews were behind the kidnapping, specifically James Warburg for reasons that involved the Federal Reserve. If someone has more detail please add or correct me if I am wrong. It is very interesting Joe, to see you hitch your star to this wagon. And what's worse? Perloff no longer holds the same position he did in 2012: What I consider one of the most difficult mysteries [Lindbergh Kidnapping] of the twentieth century. Since writing this article [The New American, July 2012], further investigation has greatly modified my views, which I plan to eventually elaborate on in the blog. (source: jamesperloff.net) So .... what was that you said about "flogging a dead horse"?
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Post by A Guest on Oct 25, 2023 8:19:04 GMT -5
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Post by thestonesunturned on Oct 25, 2023 8:50:12 GMT -5
Lindy's right-wing, pro-Kaiser, white nationalist Congressman/Congresswoman/Congressthing dad (real name Charles Mansson. (bleep) you not) WAS a big anti-Fed crusader. S/h/e/it even filed articles of impeachment against then-chairman/chairwoman/chairthing of the Fed, William PG Harding. I don't know what kidnapping/murdering/replacing Little Lindy was supposed to accomplish in regards that particular matter, but you know those oddballs who rented Schippel's shack? The ones who ended up getting busted for keeping the crazy broad locked up in a closet above the horse barn? Remember them? They were, indeed, all Jews. And not just any Jews. Jewish immigrants from that particular corner of the old Austro-Hungarian "Empire" that the "World-Wide Commie Jewish Conspiracy" supposedly came from. (It did, but that's not the point.) Cerardi. Maran. Rosenthal. Regenstrief. Plus Nosovitsky. Plus a lot of other "people" whose names keep bobbing to the surface in this "case." Remember the Son of Sam "case?" (Boy/girl/thing--is it similar to THIS "case!") Remember how, supoosedly, Sam Carr ("father" of John, Michael, and Wheat Carr) was supposedly "father Sam?" Remembe that? Well, his real name was Samuel Czar. His parents were Jewish immigrants from that exact same corner of the old Austro-Hungarian "Empire." Sam, his wife Frances, and Sam's sister Julia were all interrogated by the FB of "Investigation" in connection with the Alger Hiss/Rosenberg (you will NEVER guess where THEY were from...) affair. Before that, Sam and Frances were up to their eyeballs in the WW2 Duchesne (Nazi) Spy Ring (speaking of Nazi spies, The Colonel himself is discussed quite extensively in declassified FBI files...) Nathan and Pearl Berkowitz, who adopted David when he was exactly the same age as Little Lindy when Little Lindy "disappeared?" Guess where their folks were from.
Nathan was big in the Jewish Mafia-run Amalgamated Garment Workers Union. They owned a dress factory in Lost Angeles where Rosemary LaBianca (did you know SHE was adopted--as a very pretty teenager--out of the same Mexican baby farm where "the other" Charles Manson got caught trafficking black market babies out of?) got the dresses she sold in her Hollyweird boutique. The ones she wasn't paying for. Where was I? Oh. Yeah. Son of Sam. Anyhoo, SOS victim Virginia Voskerichian? Guess where her family recently immigrated from. Stacy Moskowitz? Ever heard of her? Ever hear of her cousin, Brooklyn judge Ruth Moskowitz? How about Carl Denaro? Denaro is not only the biggest name in the Sicilian Mafia, it's also Jewish, if you go all the way back to the Middle Ages. Jewish bankers. Ever heard of Propaganda Due? Ever heard of Matteo Denaro? Oh, I know, they're Conversos. So are most of the names I've already listed. That's the point. Well, anyhoo, not only was Carl's grandfather Salvatore one of the ORIGINAL Mafiosi on the docks down in Red Hook, but his uncle Carmelo was apparently an "agent" in Operation Underworld. Big whoop, right? But Carl's stepfather, Gustav Jacobs (guess where HE was from...) literally ran the money laundering department at Citibank. With the help of his assistant vice president, Carl's first cousin, Frank Denaro, who took Gus's place when Gus retired.
Where were we? Oh. Yeah. Isidor Fisch...uh, were you really trying to discuss conspiracy theories? Or, were you just futzing around?
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Post by A Guest on Oct 25, 2023 10:02:57 GMT -5
Where were we? Oh. Yeah. Isidor Fisch...uh, were you really trying to discuss conspiracy theories? Or, were you just futzing around? I am assuming this comment was meant for me? Just to be clear, I don't "futz" around. This is a serious case that still has debatable points and Michael's board is an excellent platform for allowing followers of this case to do just that. My position on Hauptmann is that he is not a lone perpetrator in this case and that makes Isidor Fisch a person of interest to me. Schippell had an alibi for the night of March 1, 1932. Maran and Cerrardi caught my attention early on in this case. Primarily because of the way they physically located themselves prior to the kidnapping. Living near Englewood, renting in Maine for a few months and then renting in Hopewell for a few months and then back to NJ in Ridgefield. I thought perhaps they were surveilling and assessing the physical locations of where Charles Jr could be found, and then, perhaps, acting in an advisory capacity about each location for a possible kidnap of the Lindbergh child. Just a theory I had. I am not aware that Enrico Cerrardi was Jewish. I know that he was born in Italy. What is your source that he was, indeed, Jewish?
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Post by thestonesunturned on Oct 25, 2023 11:45:30 GMT -5
Oh. You were just futzing around. Okay.
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Post by A Guest on Oct 25, 2023 12:54:25 GMT -5
Oh. You were just futzing around. Okay. No, I wasn't but you are entitled to your opinion. Just thought you should check out Isidor Fisch. You are running a theory on this board about what happened. Doesn't hurt to look at everyone who was involved with Hauptmann. I hope you are making good use of Michael's books. They are full of investigation and researched facts in this case.
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