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Post by Wayne on May 9, 2022 18:10:44 GMT -5
The History Channel is premiering The Lindbergh Baby Kidnapping tonight at 9:00 EST.
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Post by stella7 on May 9, 2022 18:24:52 GMT -5
Oh thanks, Wayne, I'll tune in.
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Post by trojanusc on May 9, 2022 21:47:32 GMT -5
Watched this. Absolutely terrible. So many mistakes and also was quick to rewrite the history Lindbergh's behavior.
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Post by johnno27 on May 9, 2022 22:53:59 GMT -5
The show was generally horrible. Who were these people they used? Some clueless guy from Michigan, others. No one we would actually recognize. Lots of mizsteaks, even little things like a Standard Oil gas station for the Warner Quinlan (for which there is a picture). Some of the footage was good, but I think they even said that Hauptman had the ladder at his house. I especially really didn't like the "historian" with the goatee. They were very into the idea that Lindy did it. The credits at the end were fairly unreadable, so you don't know what they used, or who they used. They had mentioned this in their general for the show, I was hoping for better. Zorn mentioned, of curse. History repeats a lot, in case anyone missed it, it will be on again.....and again....and again.
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Post by trojanusc on May 9, 2022 22:58:32 GMT -5
They were very into the idea that Lindy did it. Were they? The Lindbergh did it stuff was so brief and it seemed to just say "it was so unimaginable that he could do such a thing!" and they dropped it. While also mentioning how badly he wanted his kid back (so badly he played cards and practical jokes while out searching for him).
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Post by IloveDFW on May 10, 2022 6:40:35 GMT -5
The History Channel is premiering The Lindbergh Baby Kidnapping tonight at 9:00 EST. You rock Wayne, thanks!!
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Post by Michael on May 10, 2022 8:39:26 GMT -5
I honestly liked seeing new people getting involved in this way. You know, some fresh faces showing interest and knowledge. Of course there was some recognizable faces: Doherty and Ahlgren. Doherty seems to be making the rounds since his book was published. I suppose its no secret I didn't like the book for several reasons. It was nice to see Ahlgren, whose book is one that, along with Fisher, Scaduto, Behn, and Kennedy, helped instigate and kick-start all of my research back in 2000. By double-checking these authors, I learned more than I ever imagined I could.
As for the theories, they had the right idea but just didn't execute them properly. I guess its impossible to do in an hour but I get the idea.
However, part of the reason I don't like watching shows like this is because it puts bad information into my head. Not a good thing when the hard drive is already full. So, as I sit here, I'm trying to force myself to forget what I just saw. They obviously spent money on this so I'm left scratching my head as to why they didn't do some basic research before putting it out. Of course this was no fault of either Doherty or Ahlgren. Some of the pictures were cool, one with Betty I never saw before, but they made some glaring errors that even a high schooler wouldn't have made. They also used the wrong Berryman Sketch which pisses me off because its rather important to the history of the case to get that right. I addressed it in V2, but I suppose I expect too much from anyone touching on this specific aspect - or just too much in general perhaps. I do wish they would have started with the Zorn info because I would have turned it off right then and there saving myself an hour of research time. I know, I'm nuts. As I sit there I am organizing my Fisch material by adding misc reports that I discovered I never filed.
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Post by rmc1971 on May 10, 2022 15:28:20 GMT -5
I'll never be one of those who see BRH as totally innocent, but I can wrap my head around the death being separate from the ransom - provided researchers could deliver the goods. The show almost started going down that route, but didn't go through with it. Show needed 2 hours.
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Post by wolfman666 on May 10, 2022 15:52:24 GMT -5
Same garbage I've been hearing for 30years
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Post by Wayne on May 10, 2022 19:22:13 GMT -5
The History Channel is premiering The Lindbergh Baby Kidnapping tonight at 9:00 EST. You rock Wayne, thanks!! Thanks ILoveDFW, too bad the show didn't!
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Post by johnno27 on May 11, 2022 8:04:44 GMT -5
Post by Michael on 22 hours ago
"I honestly liked seeing new people getting involved in this way. You know, some fresh faces showing interest and knowledge."
Gosharootie, weren't you the person who railed against those people who read a book, and then became experts! I'm not even sure these people read a book. They weren't presented as "interested people", they were somehow experts. Especially the goateed "historian" and the guy from Michigan. It was like someone handed them a script. How about dedicated people like Lloyd Gardner, Sue, Siglinde, Mark Falzini, and Steve Romeo. Not to mention you. :^) (Sorry, I don't "know" all the people here, if I left you others out) Frankly I got sick of seeing them babbling away, when they could have shown more footage or photos. They completely ignored the whole aspect of Hauptman's muddled and confusing finances, and Isador Fisch (OK, that's a couple of hours right there!). I am considered a local "historian" here in my town in NJ. I'm involved in people researching their houses, saving local landmarks, documenting local lives. "Marilyn Monroe lived in my town!" Really.... Her father was the founder of Monroe calculators!! The creator of Uncle Wiggly and the creator of the Brownies (the little imps) lived here at one point. I found the lost plans for Village Hall. And there was a time, back in the days of the Lindbergh "Hoax" board, when I tried to document, research (or refute) various leads as they came up.
I actually forgot momentarily Ahlgrens name (sorry Ronelle) and but did remember Monier. I think of them together. By not having anyone immediately recognizable, they lost any credibility. And I will view other "History's Mysteries" with a skeptical eye.
BTW, someone I know started a local bakery. I actually suggested they call it the "Knickerbocker Pie Co". :^)
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Post by Michael on May 11, 2022 8:16:55 GMT -5
I'll never be one of those who see BRH as totally innocent, but I can wrap my head around the death being separate from the ransom - provided researchers could deliver the goods. The show almost started going down that route, but didn't go through with it. Show needed 2 hours. I think the days of Hauptmann being "totally innocent" or a "Lone-Wolf" are over. Forgive me if one of the newer books says otherwise because I didn't waste my time on Zorn's and never finished Cahill or Pearlman so I do not know what their ultimate conclusions on these points are. Of course Steve still believes Hauptmann was indeed a Lone-Wolf but I think he's a Dinosaur when it comes to that. As far as the Kidnapping/Extortion being separate.... It's hard for me to put in a single post and would merely refer you to all of my books for the facts. Armed with this information, its up to each individual to decide what to make of them. For me, I believe there was a group of people hired for the original task, with the extortion being a separate matter coming from "some" of those originally involved. Since I believe V3 finally put to rest the mystery which surrounds Rail 16, then its impossible to conclude one wasn't connected to the other. In my opinion, we don't need the handwriting if Rail 16 came from Hauptmann's basement (originally in the attic). So even if some other person wrote those notes, Hauptmann is connected to that ladder.
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Post by Michael on May 11, 2022 8:37:13 GMT -5
Post by Michael on 22 hours ago
"I honestly liked seeing new people getting involved in this way. You know, some fresh faces showing interest and knowledge."
Gosharootie, weren't you the person who railed against those people who read a book, and then became experts! I'm not even sure these people read a book. They weren't presented as "interested people", they were somehow experts. Especially the goateed "historian" and the guy from Michigan. It was like someone handed them a script. How about dedicated people like Lloyd Gardner, Sue, Siglinde, Mark Falzini, and Steve Romeo. Not to mention you. :^) (Sorry, I don't "know" all the people here, if I left you others out) Frankly I got sick of seeing them babbling away, when they could have shown more footage or photos. They completely ignored the whole aspect of Hauptman's muddled and confusing finances, and Isador Fisch (OK, that's a couple of hours right there!). I am considered a local "historian" here in my town in NJ. I'm involved in people researching their houses, saving local landmarks, documenting local lives. "Marilyn Monroe lived in my town!" Really.... Her father was the founder of Monroe calculators!! The creator of Uncle Wiggly and the creator of the Brownies (the little imps) lived here at one point. I found the lost plans for Village Hall. And there was a time, back in the days of the Lindbergh "Hoax" board, when I tried to document, research (or refute) various leads as they came up.
I actually forgot momentarily Ahlgrens name (sorry Ronelle) and but did remember Monier. I think of them together. By not having anyone immediately recognizable, they lost any credibility. And I will view other "History's Mysteries" with a skeptical eye. BTW, someone I know started a local bakery. I actually suggested they call it the "Knickerbocker Pie Co". :^)
You got me Johnno! I absolutely have been critical of anyone who claims to be an Expert but doesn't do the research. In fact, I blasted the hell of them in V4. So yes, you definitely got me on this point. I guess what I was trying to convey was seeing new interest coming from new people and not the usual suspects so to speak. I also think this show suffered because the NJSP Archives were closed too. And without Mark, all new shows will suffer a similar fate - regardless if it does finally open back up. Love the name for the Bakery!
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Post by johnno27 on May 11, 2022 10:25:29 GMT -5
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Post by Michael on May 12, 2022 6:53:28 GMT -5
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Post by Sue on May 13, 2022 15:00:13 GMT -5
Michael,
The Robert D. Fisher Manual of Valuable and Worthless Securities, that was published in 1938, lists the Knickerbocker Pie Baking Company.
The Fisher Manual included lists of companies that no longer existed. I suppose this helped people who wanted to find out the status of a company, and if their stock certificates had any value.
The entry on page 531 reads:
Knickerbocker Pie Baking Co., Inc. N. Y., 1935.
Did the police know the whole history of this company?
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Post by Michael on May 14, 2022 10:03:56 GMT -5
Did the police know the whole history of this company? That’s another great finds Sue. Police did quite a bit of research into the company but I hesitate to say the “whole” story.
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Post by meyer on Jun 10, 2022 8:33:40 GMT -5
Hi All, good, bad or ugly, that show rekindled my interest is the case, and brought me over here. I have always been curious since that In Search of...Episode. Wasn't that a fun show?
And now I have time to start reading about and really digging into it. Right now I'm reading Lindbergh:The Crime, by Behn.
Looking forward to reading the Dark Corner series. Thanks all for all the discussion on this board.
Back to lurking.
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Post by Michael on Jun 10, 2022 11:18:24 GMT -5
Hi All, good, bad or ugly, that show rekindled my interest is the case, and brought me over here. I have always been curious since that In Search of...Episode. Wasn't that a fun show? And now I have time to start reading about and really digging into it. Right now I'm reading Lindbergh:The Crime, by Behn. Looking forward to reading the Dark Corner series. Thanks all for all the discussion on this board. Back to lurking. Glad you're here. The more the merrier. Feel free to post your questions and thoughts!
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Post by trojanusc on Jun 10, 2022 17:32:55 GMT -5
Hi All, good, bad or ugly, that show rekindled my interest is the case, and brought me over here. I have always been curious since that In Search of...Episode. Wasn't that a fun show? And now I have time to start reading about and really digging into it. Right now I'm reading Lindbergh:The Crime, by Behn. Looking forward to reading the Dark Corner series. Thanks all for all the discussion on this board. Back to lurking. Strongly recommend The Case That Never Dies (2012 edition) as a good refresher. Welcome back!
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Post by meyer on Jun 13, 2022 9:36:56 GMT -5
^Thanks will do
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