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Post by Sue on Jan 6, 2022 3:22:00 GMT -5
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Post by Sue on Jan 6, 2022 5:12:59 GMT -5
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Post by Sue on Jan 6, 2022 5:32:16 GMT -5
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Post by Sue on Jan 8, 2022 13:24:39 GMT -5
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Post by Sue on Jan 8, 2022 13:29:23 GMT -5
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Post by Sue on Jan 8, 2022 13:31:23 GMT -5
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Post by Joe on Jan 8, 2022 19:00:02 GMT -5
It's a great looking place Sue and thanks for posting! I can just visualize Hauptmann strolling up Needham Ave. on a warm summer's evening for a couple of pints of good German pilsener. And as he sat there, carefree and enjoying the ce and pleasant conversation with Hans, would he ever have dreamt that almost a hundred years later, his legacy would be receiving such a warm and fuzzy coddling as it regularly gets here on this discussion board, through some of the most outlandish speculation that continues to keep the grand conspiratorial house of cards propped up in just about every other section but his own? Hauptmann must be smiling right now for at the rate things are going and until this case is seen in it's straightforward and unembellished form in the cold grey light of morning again, as he astutely predicted, the book most certainly will never close.
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Post by IloveDFW on Jan 8, 2022 20:25:52 GMT -5
It's a great looking place Sue and thanks for posting! I can just visualize Hauptmann strolling up Needham Ave. on a warm summer's evening for a couple of pints of good German pilsener. And as he sat there, carefree and enjoying the ce and pleasant conversation with Hans, would he ever have dreamt that almost a hundred years later, his legacy would be receiving such a warm and fuzzy coddling as it regularly gets here on this discussion board, through some of the most outlandish speculation that continues to keep the grand conspiratorial house of cards propped up in just about every other section but his own? Hauptmann must be smiling right now for at the rate things are going and until this case is seen in it's straightforward and unembellished form in the cold grey light of morning again, as he astutely predicted, the book most certainly will never close. 🤯😹🤘
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Post by hurtelable on Jan 9, 2022 14:17:55 GMT -5
To Sue: (1) How did Heinzmann and his beer garden enter the case with this newspaper coverage so soon after Hauptmann's arrest? Did Hauptmann mention Heinzmann to police during his intensive post-arrest grilling? If so in what context did Heinzmann's name come up during the interrogation? (2) What is meant by "[the beer garden] was where Hans Heinzmann met his end in 1937"? Are you implying that Heinzmann was a homicide victim?
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Post by Sue on Jan 9, 2022 14:42:56 GMT -5
Hans Heinzmann (a.k.a. Joseph Henzmann) got up on a table at his Bavarian Beer Garden in September 1937. He had a noose around his neck and a .22 in his hand. The rest is history.
Heinzmann was famously quoted in various newspapers soon after Hauptmann's arrest. Many of Hauptmann's neighbors shared their feelings about Hauptmann soon after his arrest.
I don't know if Hauptmannn mentioned Heinzmann when he was interrogated. Maybe Michael knows?
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Post by Michael on Jan 11, 2022 14:49:54 GMT -5
I don't know if Hauptmannn mentioned Heinzmann when he was interrogated. Maybe Michael knows? I don't recall Heinzmann being mentioned during any of Hauptmann's interrogations/statements, however, I'm quite sure Heinzmann was interviewed by Law Enforcement. I seem to remember they were asking him who Hauptmann came in with. I've searched for the report but failed to find it. I think it was in an FBI report which means I could have filed it outside of his main folders that I have put together. Or worse - I may have just missed it when I was searching this collection. I wish I could say that doesn't happen but it does unfortunately.
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Post by Sue on Jan 11, 2022 17:42:42 GMT -5
Michael,
Thanks for looking into this.
I know sooner or later you will find the report/interview!
I'd like to learn more about Heinzmann, the beer garden proprietor!
In one article, Heinzmann seemed to have known that Hauptmann owned two dogs -- rehpinschers.
I don't recall that Hauptmann owned any dogs!
Anyway, thanks again for looking and for your effort!
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Post by Guest on Jan 11, 2022 19:04:29 GMT -5
Michael, Thanks for looking into this. I know sooner or later you will find the report/interview! I'd like to learn more about Heinzmann, the beer garden proprietor! In one article, Heinzmann seemed to have known that Hauptmann owned two dogs -- rehpinschers. I don't recall that Hauptmann owned any dogs! Anyway, thanks again for looking and for your effort! Sue, this is from Hauptmann's memoir (without further comment): "As we had always wanted to buy a dog, we did so in a hurry. Soon we had a little six-week old police dog in the house. It was not long before we loved it like a child. At this time, Albert was living with us. He made many experiments at home. He had, among other things, a paper bag with glue, lying on a shelf under the table. One day our Lotte got a hold of the glue, and then we noticed too late that this was the cause of her suffering. With tears in our eyes, we nursed her all the night. My wife was overcome by loss of sleep. Both of us felt as though we were losing a child. Only one, who is a friend of animals, can understand what we felt. In order to save my wife as much pain as possible, I went out early in the morning and bought the sister of our dead Lotte. But my dear wife had noticed that it was not the same dog; nevertheless, we soon loved her just as much. At Christmas time our second dog died. Wrapping him in a white cloth and putting a branch from the Christmas tree in it, we buried our little darling. We did not want to get another dog, as the pain was too much, after becoming so attached to the animal."
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Post by Michael on Jan 12, 2022 11:31:36 GMT -5
Still haven't found what I've been looking for. However, I did find this and think its interesting: imgur.com/a/DNxFuMA
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Post by Sue on Jan 12, 2022 19:58:59 GMT -5
Thank you, Guest, for sharing from Hauptmann's autobiography!
Sad to learn about Lotte and her sister! That the Hauptmanns were animal lovers is a big plus in my book!
According to the Old Testament account and New Testament (I Peter 3:20), only 8 people made in on the Ark, but God saved many, many animals from the Great Flood!
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Post by Guest on Jan 12, 2022 21:54:55 GMT -5
Thank you, Guest, for sharing from Hauptmann's autobiography! Sad to learn about Lotte and her sister! That the Hauptmanns were animal lovers is a big plus in my book! According to the Old Testament account and New Testament (I Peter 3:20), only 8 people made in on the Ark, but God saved many, many animals from the Great Flood!of You are a great researcher of the case, Sue. Thank you for your many interesting contributions over the years. The animals in the Hauptmann household didn't fare too well, though. The alligator they brought back from Florida in February 1933 died in the makeshift pool Hauptmann built in the Rauch backyard. What plans had Richard had for its care and survival? None it seems. It was just a meaningless souvenir.
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Post by metje on Jan 13, 2022 1:18:24 GMT -5
Noah needed to take many animals with him while on his ark adventure. The eight people on board needed to have something to eat during their two year confinement.
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Post by metje on Jan 13, 2022 1:29:43 GMT -5
Hitler and his Eva also owned dogs. Hitler poisoned his dog Blondie just before he committed suicide. Animal lovers are not necessarily people lovers.
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Post by Sue on Jan 13, 2022 7:30:51 GMT -5
Thanks for the thoughtful compliment, Guest!
I didn't know about the alligator!
Edenwald. Williamsbridge. The North Bronx, where the Hauptmanns lived, was secluded and a wooded place in 1932. Maybe Hauptmann thought the alligator would thrive there?
Metje - wasn't it male and female of every kind of animal that entered the ark? Obviously, to further their existence.
40 days and 40 nights of rain equals two years?
True. Animal lovers are not necessarily people lovers.
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Post by metje on Jan 13, 2022 8:31:41 GMT -5
According to the Book of Genesis which contains the narration of the flood, the rain came down for forty days and forty nights, but it took a long time for the waters to recede from that much flooding. The dates are given in the Hebrew calendar, and scholars have calculated that Noah and family spent about two years on the ark altogether. How or what they ate, or what the animals ate, and how they disposed of their trash and waste would be another question which is not addressed.
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Post by Sue on Jan 13, 2022 8:35:56 GMT -5
Michael,
Thank you. This is a very interesting document.
I saw that Casper Goetz was commented on under the thread, "How much Did Hauptmann Tell his Wife?"
I wonder if it was just part of the German culture. Maybe it was no big deal that Hauptmann asked Casper's wife to join him at Hans' Bavarian Beer Garden?
Remember, Anna knew her husband and Gerta Henkel got together for coffee, and that didn't seem to trouble Anna.
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Post by hurtelable on Jan 15, 2022 11:08:14 GMT -5
From Hauptmann's memoir, as posted by Guest:
Keep in the back of your mind, everyone, that the main purpose of Hauptmann publishing a memoir at the time he was on death row was to humanize him in the public eye, after all the mass hatred of him demonstrated from his arrest to his sentencing. How much of Hauptmann's work was true and how much was fiction is anyone's guess.
As far as the alligator story goes, I'd venture a guess that it would do more to tarnish his image than improve it. Keeping an alligator as a pet in an urban area is at best eccentric, at worst potentially lethal to the people in and around his apartment house and his surrounding environment.
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Post by trojanusc on Jan 15, 2022 13:19:01 GMT -5
From Hauptmann's memoir, as posted by Guest: Keep in the back of your mind, everyone, that the main purpose of Hauptmann publishing a memoir at the time he was on death row was to humanize him in the public eye, after all the mass hatred of him demonstrated from his arrest to his sentencing. How much of Hauptmann's work was true and how much was fiction is anyone's guess. As far as the alligator story goes, I'd venture a guess that it would do more to tarnish his image than improve it. Keeping an alligator as a pet in an urban area is at best eccentric, at worst potentially lethal to the people in and around his apartment house and his surrounding environment. It was a different era. Live baby alligators were often sold in souvenir and curio shops throughout Florida, which people would take back with them. Zoos in the northeast often became overwhelmed with people turning in their pet alligators once they became too difficult to manage. It sounds very odd by today’s standards but back then it was just kind of a thing. www.floridarambler.com/historic-florida-getaways/alligators-in-florida/
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