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Post by Sue on Apr 20, 2020 19:26:20 GMT -5
A British article appeared in The Butte Miner from Butte, Montana on April 9, 1916 called :
"German Infantry Sent Into Battle Drugged with Ether: Lord Northcliffe's Repeated Assertions of What He Saw on the Firing Line and a Scientific Explanation of How Ether Works on the Nerves and Muscles of a Soldier"
What I am asking is: Was Hauptmann addicted to ether?
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Post by Sue on Apr 20, 2020 19:28:36 GMT -5
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Post by hurtelable on Apr 26, 2020 6:50:47 GMT -5
A British article appeared in The Butte Miner from Butte, Montana on April 9, 1916 called : "German Infantry Sent Into Battle Drugged with Ether: Lord Northcliffe's Repeated Assertions of What He Saw on the Firing Line and a Scientific Explanation of How Ether Works on the Nerves and Muscles of a Soldier" What I am asking is: Was Hauptmann addicted to ether? In order to be described as addictive, a substance must be capable at a minimum of these three properties: (1) psychological dependence, (2) tolerance (user requires increasing dosages to obtain same effect) and (3) withdrawal symptoms. Ether does not meet all these criteria. I have heard of more than a few substances that have been described as addictive, but ether is NOT amongst them, at least not in today's medical literature.
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Post by Sue on Apr 26, 2020 8:39:09 GMT -5
Oh. Okay. Thank you.
But what of Lord Northcliffe and that 1916 article that says German soldiers were drugged with ether before they went into battle?
Hauptmann was a soldier in the Great War. Ether would have been given to him, also.
And Hauptmann was shell-shocked, a condition that was treated by ether.
Other than Jim Fisher's Ghost of Hopewell, is there any discussion about ether in any of the literature on Hauptmann?
Does Hauptmann talk about ether in his autobiography?
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Post by jack7 on Apr 26, 2020 16:59:49 GMT -5
Sorry Sue - can't help you from this corner. From my experiences with ether I'd think it a poor choice for soldiering - it's known that the Germans drugged the soldiers with "zip" or amphetamine=like substances which react much unlike ether. I guess if you'd want a bunch of zombies on your side - ether 'em up and see what happens. Jack
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Post by Sue on Apr 27, 2020 6:56:30 GMT -5
Jack,
No wonder nothing ever gets solved.
Did you read that 1916 British article about the use of ether on German soldiers in WWI?
That must have been a major article if it began appearing in newspapers throughout the United States in 1916.
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Post by Joe on Apr 27, 2020 8:51:29 GMT -5
Oh. Okay. Thank you. But what of Lord Northcliffe and that 1916 article that says German soldiers were drugged with ether before they went into battle? Hauptmann was a soldier in the Great War. Ether would have been given to him, also. And Hauptmann was shell-shocked, a condition that was treated by ether. Other than Jim Fisher's Ghost of Hopewell, is there any discussion about ether in any of the literature on Hauptmann? Does Hauptmann talk about ether in his autobiography? According to this article, cocaine and even heroin seem to have been the stimulant of choice for both sides during WWI, as they were both readily available over the counter. They were purchased in gift boxes at pharmacists and sent overseas. Amphetamines came into play in WWII after their pharmaceutical introduction in the 1930's. militaryhistorynow.com/2018/05/08/combat-high-a-sobering-history-of-drug-use-in-wartime/I tried to upload the Lord Northcliffe article on ether use among the German troops during WWI, that Sue had originally located, but it exceeds the 1 MB maximum attachment size. It's a very interesting read, but I don't believe it typifies German military strategy, and this may have been more along the lines of a wartime experiment to see how troops would react to something other than cocaine. Hauptmann makes no mention of ether or stimulant use in his full autobiography. So what to make of the small bottle of ether found in Hauptmann's garage? As I've previously ventured, I believe it was for Hauptmann's own recreational use, and may have come into play during the kidnapping and ransom negotiations. The image of a lightly-clad and acrobatic CJ at Woodlawn and St. Raymond's Cemetery when Condon was wearing a heavy coat, suggests to me a metabolism and sensory system that could well have been a little "revved up." It wouldn't take much, just enough to produce an increased feeling of well being, at a time where he might have felt his normal disposition and abilities would fail him, ie. a little Dutch Courage. According to most sources, an amount in the range of 1/8 to 1/4 ounce, mixed with water or some other beverage, would produce this kind of effect for a couple of hours. There was some previous discussion about whether or not this bottle of ether might have belonged to Isador Fisch, however it appears to have been purchased from the Raabe Pharmacy in January of 1934, a month or so after Fisch returned to Germany.
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Post by Michael on Apr 27, 2020 10:36:52 GMT -5
In order to be described as addictive, a substance must be capable at a minimum of these three properties: (1) psychological dependence, (2) tolerance (user requires increasing dosages to obtain same effect) and (3) withdrawal symptoms. Ether does not meet all these criteria. I have heard of more than a few substances that have been described as addictive, but ether is NOT amongst them, at least not in today's medical literature. Not to contradict your point but I believe anything one uses as an escape could become an addiction. Of course not to everyone but to certain people. Ether strikes me as something people could have abused in that way.
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Post by Joe on Apr 27, 2020 14:43:37 GMT -5
In order to be described as addictive, a substance must be capable at a minimum of these three properties: (1) psychological dependence, (2) tolerance (user requires increasing dosages to obtain same effect) and (3) withdrawal symptoms. Ether does not meet all these criteria. I have heard of more than a few substances that have been described as addictive, but ether is NOT amongst them, at least not in today's medical literature. Not to contradict your point but I believe anything one uses as an escape could become an addiction. Of course not to everyone but to certain people. Ether strikes me as something people could have abused in that way. This article would seem to agree. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ether_addiction
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