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Post by ziki on Jan 6, 2019 3:05:54 GMT -5
What about another spies connected with LKC? Or is Nosovitsky the only? I can vaguely remember, someone somewhere on this board mentioned, that BRH can possibly be a German agent (thus having money before kidnapping?). My thoughts in this direction go for example to Junges. Maybe the pure fact being a (foreign) spy can explain some strange actions or behavior, seemingly connected with the kidnapping. Yes, but there is always a possibility of a spy carrying out kidnapping or extortion / money laundering or helping with it...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 10:58:43 GMT -5
I believe it might have been Jack on this board that thought BRH might have been a German agent. I have read a lot of newspaper articles that came out after Hauptmann's arrest and I saw one that said when BRH was a young man in Germany he was a Spartacist (segment of the German Communist Party). I also read that Mrs. Rauch, Hauptmann's landlady thought he was a Nazi.
Nosovitsky is an interesting person. Although I am not inclined to his involvement in the Lindbergh baby kidnapping, I am not opposed to someone like him helping to organize the kidnapping.
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Post by Michael on Jan 6, 2019 13:00:28 GMT -5
There were so many investigations made along these lines that I wouldn't know where to start. The accusations/insinuations that a particular "group" who utilized "Spies" etc. were countless. The "Communists," "Jews," "Japs," "Nazis," "Mob," "Government," etc. etc. The list is very long (one example): Attachment Deleted
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Post by jack7 on Jan 6, 2019 13:50:25 GMT -5
Boy on the way to work this morning I saw a bear trying to climb up a tree and there was an eagle sitting on the top of the tree. Finally the bear just got so mad he started shaking the tree and the eagle fell out of the tree and just lay flat on the ground. I guess so much for whimpy eagles!
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Post by Michael on Jan 7, 2019 8:24:36 GMT -5
Boy on the way to work this morning I saw a bear trying to climb up a tree and there was an eagle sitting on the top of the tree. Finally the bear just got so mad he started shaking the tree and the eagle fell out of the tree and just lay flat on the ground. I guess so much for whimpy eagles! Think "Oberyn vs. Mountain" ... when is something truly over?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2019 11:38:14 GMT -5
Michael,
The author of the letter you posted, Major Frank Pease, isn't he the man who wrote "The Hole in the Hauptmann Case"? I have not read this book. Is there any claim in that publication that Hauptmann had communist or Nazi connections?
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Post by ziki on Jan 7, 2019 14:45:45 GMT -5
Thank you, Michael and Amy, for very interesting and inspiring answers again. I made a quick look on Wiki for Frank Pease and have a gut feeling this sort of fascist guys (not nazi, although fascists can convert into nazis) are all alike (I have red several books about fascist persons from my country few years ago) - writing letters like this or pamphlets, and even books and seeing their enemies behind every corner and uncomfortable event of any sort. According to Wiki "He also published through American Defender "The Hole in The Hauptmann Case?" (1936), which alleged that Richard Hauptmann was framed for the Lindbergh kidnapping, and "Technicians and Revolution: An Expose of Communist Tactics For Overthrowing The State" (1939)." I don’t know, if this is true, but I can’t imagine fascist defending a communist, a nazi maybe, but only with reservations.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2019 15:55:35 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing your research, ziki! So, apparently then, Pease must have thought Hauptmann was framed by the communists who Pease must think were the real kidnappers of CAL, Jr. Wow!
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Post by ziki on Jan 7, 2019 16:56:17 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing your research, ziki! So, apparently then, Pease must have thought Hauptmann was framed by the communists who Pease must think were the real kidnappers of CAL, Jr. Wow! And here we have Nosovitsky again, maybe… :-) You are welcome, Amy. (I don’t really think the truth about the LKC is hidden in Pease’s book, but it can be interesting reading.)
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Post by Michael on Jan 8, 2019 9:09:20 GMT -5
Michael, The author of the letter you posted, Major Frank Pease, isn't he the man who wrote "The Hole in the Hauptmann Case"? I have not read this book. Is there any claim in that publication that Hauptmann had communist or Nazi connections? There's a copy of this at the NJSP Archives and I've read it several times. Here's something from page 10: After two forced expulsions from our country did Hauptmann boldly walk down the gangplank into the United States on a forged Soviet passport, but one from the many thousands manufactured for all the countries in the GPU plant at Prague? I've also assembled a file on him which spans the entire matter from beginning to end. Material scattered among the SP PC, FBI PC, Ellis Parker Files, Gov. Hoffman Files and Special Collection. He makes a lot of mistakes but he also knows a few things others might not that actually are interesting or worthwhile. He obviously lacks much of the detailed information we all know was true, and he clearly had an ulterior motive/agenda from which he presented his ideas. There might be those who still agree though. But for those who do not one might choose to simply dismiss what he wrote or believed without looking into it further. However, by working through his material there are still things which can be learned. This is like everything else connected to this case as I often point out. So one may not agree with his theory but still come away with something valuable for their efforts of reading/researching through all of his thoughts and/or ideas. You know ... the road less traveled and all that comes with it. Sometimes it turns out to be a complete waste but sometimes you find a trinket along the way. And sometimes even something a little more valuable. But one never knows unless they look.
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Post by jack7 on Jan 8, 2019 11:33:28 GMT -5
Ya - hey I wasn't worried about the Eagles game, but was about Alabama. Should have been worried about both of them I guess. Clemson I just don't like that squirrely coach of theirs, team of course is OK. Always a mountain - especially in that ole' SE conference!
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Post by hurtelable on Jan 8, 2019 12:05:03 GMT -5
A lot has been written and said about Nosovitsky, both in Behn's book and in a thread on these boards spanning a decade or so, titled "J. J. Nosovitsky", which was a sub-board of "General Discussion."
Nosovitsky was, according to many researchers including Gov. Hoffman's investigators and (decades later) Noel Behn, the true "J. J. Faulkner." He had, according to Behn, "J. J. Faulkner" listed among his many aliases in his NYPD file. This connection of Nosovitsky to "J. J. Faulkner" is also noted in J. Edgar Hoover's memo. Noso is believed by some to be the writer of all but the first of the ransom notes. Noso's name was also mentioned by "Jafsie" Condon in Condon's speaking engagements during the period following the Hauptmann execution - which prompted a defamation suit by Nosovitsky against Condon. Perhaps connected to the suit was a physical assault on Nosovitsky c. 1938, reported in newspapers.
Noso possessed significant skills in several languages, including German, which would be consistent with a connection to the Lindbergh case ransom notes. BTW, although he undoubtedly spoke English with a foreign accent, it appears he could write English unusually well for an individual who was raised in his youth in the Ukraine.
Nosovitsky was last known to have lived in Los Angeles around 1941, using the alias "Arthur Nosow" - at least as much as I am aware. He appeared to be the owner-operater of a store at the time, and his Selective Service record duly noted that he had a draft deferment due to age (he was about 50 at the time).
I would be interested to find out his date and place of death. He's not in the Social Security Death Index, in all probability because he never was an employee in a position where he was requited to enroll in Social Security and therefore would never have had a Social Security number.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 17:54:03 GMT -5
Noso is believed by some to be the writer of all but the first of the ransom notes If this were true wouldn't Noso have needed to see or get a copy of the nursery note so he could forge all the others and most importantly reproduce the signature symbol used on the notes? I know that Morris Rosner received a copy of the first ransom note which was made for him by Thayer. Rosner took this to New York to Owney Madden. Where does Noso fit into this? Plus there is the issue of the nursery note and the next ransom note being the same piece of paper, just torn in half. How do you see Noso in all this? Is he part of the actual kidnapping or just part of the extortion? I have never come across (yet) any death listing for Nosovitsky.
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Post by wolfman666 on Jan 10, 2019 9:48:26 GMT -5
but amy theres no proof this guy was ever involved in this crime. noel behn brought his name up in his book, but that's the only time ive seen it
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Post by Michael on Jan 10, 2019 13:36:14 GMT -5
This is a good find and there's a lot of information in it... Considering the portion here: Police recalled, in connection with the belief that a woman aided Hauptmann, that a woman was reported to have given Dr. J. F. (Jafsie) Condon instructions to "keep walking ahead" when he neared the spot where he met a man (supposedly Hauptmann) to deliver the ransom money. She was accompanied by a man.
There is no doubt in my mind that you are correct in that the "Police" source was referring to the man and woman (or girl depending upon which story Condon forgot he told). But there isn't a version in any of the documentation prior to this which have either of these people telling Condon that. So what's going on here, in my opinion, is whoever the source may be is embellishing, mis-remembering, or not privy to any of the actual stories coming from Condon's official version of events prior to this interview. That's where I'm at but others might see it differently of course.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 15:27:05 GMT -5
but amy theres no proof this guy was ever involved in this crime. noel behn brought his name up in his book, but that's the only time ive seen it I don't think Nosovitsky was involved either, Steve. Hurtelable seems to think he was. That is why I am asking him how he sees Nosovitsky attached to this crime. I can't see the connection.
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Post by Michael on Jan 10, 2019 15:36:28 GMT -5
Thanks Michael. What about the prisoner? I did a search on his name on this site and did not find anything. In all of your work, have you ever heard of him? Any documentation? Yes there's some at the Archives on him in a couple of places. You're not finding anything on him because they are misspelling his name. It's "George Michael Paulin" (also spelled Paullin) AKA "George Paul." Most of what is down there is the same as what's in the newspapers. The NJSP never believed his story. His sister wrote the Governor and he wrote the Warden but aside from the sister's letter there's really nothing new than what's in the papers.
I just remembered that there is something in Fisher's "Ghosts" about Paul (see page 73). Had he read Mrs. Musich's letter I don't believe he would have bothered to assert what he did because she wrote: Everyone knows the whole truth hasn't been proved in the kidnapping case and therefore Hauptmann cannot be executed until the whole truth has been found out. Now this is why I am writing to you - No doubt you have read about former Warden P. E. Thomas of the Ohio State Penitentiary at Columbus and George Paul who is a prisoner there - I am - George Paul's sister and I am going to beg you to have my brother taken to the State of New Jersey to tell what he knows -
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2019 9:38:23 GMT -5
Amy/Michael - what do you think of this article I just found? Especially the paragraph about the woman and man who told Condon to walk straight ahead when he was delivering the ransom. I think Michael covered this whole St. Raymond's cemetery encounter Condon claimed he had with this man/woman or girl very well in his TDC Volume II, Chapter 4 starting on page 215. I, personally, am very dubious about this whole claim by Condon and wouldn't give it any consideration if Lindbergh had not backed it up. The story about George Paulin, prisoner in Columbus Ohio State prison, mentioned in this article, although interesting, I don't believe has anything to do with Hauptmann. According to the news stories, Paulin received a coded message in late 1931 or early 1932 that the writer of this note was going to kidnap the Lindbergh baby. Paulin did seek to see his prison warden about this letter. However, the signature had been torn from the letter. Still, according to the news story, Paulin and his warden did make it to Hopewell and visited Lindbergh in his home. So the story goes. I question this letter being attached to Hauptmann because it doesn't "fit" with his character. Hauptmann was not a talker. Plus Paulin claims Hauptmann was a "hot-head". Everything I have read about him so far is the complete opposite. He was very quiet and not very social except with the people he knew well. I question whether Paulin ever knew BRH. Here is a link to a news story that appeared in Sept. 1934 about this whole event. news.google.com/newspapers?id=8RciAAAAIBAJ&sjid=QqQFAAAAIBAJ&dq=bruno%20richard%20hauptmann&pg=1179%2C6837289
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