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Post by aaron on Nov 15, 2021 20:53:37 GMT -5
Sherlock, your comments in recent posts indicate strongly, at least to me, that there is much that went on behind the scenes of the Lindbergh kidnapping that we still do not know. Many have done good research and have found evidence, pieces of the picture, some of which help to make connections. Yet there is much that must have been kept secret, or at least was not investigated properly. I submit that what we do know as truth is a very small part in comparison with what we do not know. And what we do not know may be far more important than what we have come to know as real and important to this case.
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Post by trojanusc on Nov 15, 2021 21:02:42 GMT -5
Hi aaron, Thanks for your kind remarks. You have also raised some extremely interesting points. As you imply, we have only Dr Condon's word that he met anyone in St Raymond's cemetery disappearing as he did into the darkness out of view. It may have been Condon, the great deceiver, who shouted "Hey, Doc" to simulate the presence of CJ in the cemetery. It would explain Lindbergh, in his car, claiming to hear those words as Condon was at that point closer to the car than an imaginary CJ inside the cemetery. CJs on-the-spot decision to settle for $20,000 less than the $70,000 is suspicious as you say. The only circumstance in which he would have the authority to do this would be if he was a "lone wolf" extortionist or had maybe one partner who wouldn't complain. The talk of No 1 and No 2 could be bluff, as indeed the note giving the child's location, " being cared for by two women", turned out to be. Document analysis in the UK by linguists concluded that the ransom notes were written by an English native speaker who tried to simulate German syntax and word patterns. The later notes abandon the crude construction of the nursery note and are much improved but the evidence of the English mother tongue is still there. Much to think about! Best regards, Sherlock We also have Lindbergh's statement about the coughing lookout (the handkerchief is still in the NJSP archives I believe). This lookout went down Tremont, the same direction as Condon's silly and unnecessary detour. Seems to me that the most logical thing was Condon met with this individual further down Tremont to exchange the ransom, before doubling back.
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Post by trojanusc on Nov 15, 2021 21:05:45 GMT -5
Hi aaron, The handover of the money was, for me, the moment of supreme danger for CJ. He had to take all precautions against being caught red-handed with the box/cash. It would also help if he had no direct contact with Condon on this occasion. The whole tone of the ransom note read out by Wilentz at the trial indicates a planned 'leave it and we'll pick it up later' scenario. Condon's progress into the cemetery would be closely observed by CJ with or without associates. Either the note about the boat "Nelly" was left for Condon at the designated spot or, as you say, he may have had it with him already. I don't think Lindbergh, in the car, observed the handshake over the hedge, so again we have only Condon's word for it. I agree that the idea of Condon calling out to himself is a stretch but if CJ wanted no potentially incriminating contact with Condon that night it is still a possibility. And it fits with Condon's lying, obfuscation and deception throughout the case. Its true that when we think of languages we have only the standard "official" language in mind without taking into account local dialect which can often be so different that it is almost a different language altogether. This makes identification of the nationality/ ethnicity of the note-writer(s) especially difficult. It was very interesting to read of the experience of your parents as recent immigrants to the USA. Best regards, Sherlock Everyone was on the lookout for the box. If Condon passed the ransom down Tremont and then misdirected by bringing the now empty box to the cemetery down Whittemore and stashing it there, the kidnapper is long gone and everyone is on a wild goose chase for a box, which not only doesn't match the description given, but is safely tucked away behind some bushes until it can be retrieved & destroyed.
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Post by aaron on Nov 15, 2021 23:02:55 GMT -5
This is indeed a good possibility. Condon must have been in communication with the kidnappers in some way to have managed the scene regarding the passing of the money and the hiding of the box. The notes in the paper were public but were prearranged, a facade to conceal the actions of the kidnappers who wanted the money but did not want to be identified and get caught, especially after the death of the child. Condon may not have known everything. He may have dealt only with the kidnappers' rep, but he had to protect their identity since he also had to protect himself--for some reason. So he played along but had to create stories (and could not always remember the details) in order to hide his part in the action and also conceal what he knew.
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Post by aaron on Nov 15, 2021 23:14:31 GMT -5
The handkerchief was probably used for signals: "the coast is clear" or "beware"etc. The lookout signals another man who likewise has a big handkerchief--which also can cover the face and protect identification.
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Post by trojanusc on Nov 15, 2021 23:21:57 GMT -5
The handkerchief was probably used for signals: "the coast is clear" or "beware"etc. The lookout signals another man who likewise has a big handkerchief--which also can cover the face and protect identification. Perhaps, but it could also point to Isidor Fisch, who by that point was suffering from TB, I believe.
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