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Post by rick3 on Dec 17, 2007 11:54:17 GMT -5
Michael--you raise an interesting point here:
1. How did AG Wilitz manage to "bury" all the testimony in the Curtis trial from the BRH trial? 5 men and 1-2 women were named by Curtis? Hilda and George Olaf Larson, Nils, Eric, Inez, Sam and even "John" who was described by Curtis as thin and stooped? pp 178-187 in Behn. I was intriqued to find that Hilda and George supposedly lived in Freeport LI where Fisch owned property?
2. When CAL was out sailing with Curtis for 19 days looking for the Mary B. Moss, CAL had to communicate with Anne by code because of all the wire tapping intercepts on the phones at Highfields. One report stated that the NJSP was continually checking the phone wires in and out of Highfields for unauthorized taps? Its a small wonder they didnt stumble over Charley Jr walking the phone lines south of Hopewell?
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Post by Michael on Dec 17, 2007 19:15:36 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I don't have access to my files at the moment because I am (in for a long process) of moving so please bear with me.....
Curtis is always an interesting topic. To answer yours questions:
1. Wilentz really didn't "bury" the evidence. If you recall, Fisher, his partner Herr, and Virginia Lawyer Pender represented Curtis in his trial at Flemington. Fisher was in possession of the trial transcripts and had made comment about possibly calling Curtis as a Defense witness in the newspapers. Wilentz armed with this knowledge countered by paying Curtis and Pender to "hide out" during the trial so if things were going badly for the Prosecution - Curtis would be prepared to testify that Hauptmann was indeed one of the individuals Curtis had dealt with.
2. In fact the temporary phones lines did run parallel to the body at Mount Rose. I believe Parker was the one who pointed out this was further evidence the body wasn't there the whole time.
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Post by rick3 on Dec 19, 2007 11:36:27 GMT -5
Michael--Theon Wright notes that Jafsie Condon knew about Curtis and the Norfolk connection one whole week before anyone else did? - Evelyn Walsh McLean revealed that Gaston Bud Means knew inside information about the money drop by Jafsie at St. Raymond's not available to public?
- Are these clearcut links that the 3 gangs were inter-connected?
- Is there any indisputable evidence that any one of the three gangs had Charlie Jr and were responsible for his disappearance?
- Neither Curtis, Means or Condon actually ever "saw" Charlie--did they?
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Post by Giszmo on Dec 19, 2007 13:53:44 GMT -5
Theon Wright notes that Jafsie Condon knew about Curtis and the Norfolk connection one whole week before anyone else did? (Rick)
How does Theon know this? What's his source?
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Post by rick3 on Dec 19, 2007 15:30:07 GMT -5
Cemetery John thru Jafsie:
"It will be recalled that Condon, in telling the story of his first meeting with "John" (eg Cemetery John) to Asst. Dist. Atty Breslin of the Bronx, had quoted "John" as saying, "The baby is not in Norfolk.". This was March 14, 1932, several days before Curtis came actively into the LKC."
Page 295 The Search for the Lindbergh Baby....same page as the Means-Condon connection.
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Post by Giszmo on Dec 19, 2007 17:41:35 GMT -5
Thanks!
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Post by Michael on Dec 19, 2007 18:53:42 GMT -5
Bronx Grand Jury Testimony (5-14-32 page 20): He told me the baby is not in Norfolk, Virginia nor in the north, "We relay the baby from one boat to another". In the summer of '34 Condon was asked to prepare a complete transcripts concerning his various conversations with John. By August of '34 he turns over copies to J. Edgar Hoover by Special Agent Sisk: Tell Colonel Lindbergh he's wasting his time with those people down soud; they are not the 'ride' parties. Condon's statement to Cpl. Leon's (6-26-34): At this time he told me to tell Col. Lindbergh not to pay any attention to the other gang, meaning Curtis, as they were not the right parties, and told me that he would send me evidence to prove that they had the baby. Its another puzzle to solve. All accounts that I have been able to find concerning Condon quoting John saying the above are after the date anyone would know about him. This presents a new dilemma. Is Condon making it up in order to make himself look better in some way? In order to discredit Curtis? Is he telling the truth - meaning John really did tell him this but didn't mention it previously? If this is true how would John have known about it? For me its further proof that Condon was lying. If his sincere goal was to assist the Police and the Lindbergh family how does lying about such things, as coming from John, assist the Police? Why would Condon be disingenuous about such a thing if his intentions were legitimate?
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Post by Michael on Jul 19, 2008 10:06:13 GMT -5
Here's something for anyone into breaking codes... The following is a message received from Mr. Bruce with the request of Admiral Burrage:Weep belight need niche demarkation plateau he halfpenny constrict contemptuous devotement seize add vesture endictment horse demarkation dearth aggrandize tonsure plethoric glutinate imprudent backbite homiletic shrivel wimble.
Admiral Burage can be reached at Norfolk 2-4932. Above Message Delivered to Capt. Lamb 4/28/32 *BTW - presently I have no idea what it means other then obviously relating to the Curtis angle of the case.
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Post by jack7 on Jul 19, 2008 20:29:21 GMT -5
You would have to find the codebook to solve that one, Michael. It is substitution, where each word stands for a letter, or more likely in this case, another word, and could only be figured out if there were many messages which would result in some repetition, or the book was had. It is quite sophisticated code though, and simple, although, as you know, there are many words, and there have to be many many substitutions. Also it could be a ploy and mean nothing because, of course, it sounds like a code. There's a possibility it's laid out - I'll poke at it. Just offhand it looks fraud. Burrage must have had a particularly sophisticated code-set. I imagine that's still classified. It brings up an interesting thing about Lindbergh which hasn't been adequately covered. During WWI the German field messages were perforated with holes, and that is the way they were matched up to verify them.
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