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Post by kdwv8 on Feb 1, 2014 16:20:39 GMT -5
Did anyone back then (police, J Edgar...)ever think that Voilet Sharpe may have known to much and was about to break under the pressure of police questioning? Maybe she didn't kill herself but was murdered! The thought that she might lose her job is a maid, due to her employer finding out about her partying and going out with strange men doesn't seem worth losing her life for!
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Post by kdwv8 on Feb 1, 2014 21:54:54 GMT -5
Did Violet know how Charlie died or things about Charlie's health.....things that the Morrow-Lindbergh families didn't want the public to know? If they thought she was about to let the cat out of the bag then maybe she was murdered and the suicide was staged!
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Post by Michael on Feb 2, 2014 9:10:37 GMT -5
In it Walsh says that Ernie Miller was found through information provided by Septimus Banks. I am sure that Walsh would have made a written report on this. I guess you have not come across such a report at the archives?? I have always been under the impression that Banks told the Police "Ernie" was not Brinkert after Sharpe died. This, to me, meant Sharpe told him they had the wrong guy. I've also had the impression that Miller came forward himself, and in fact, had already told Alpine Police Chief McClain "two or three" weeks later that he had been out with Sharpe that night. This, combined with Brinkert being suspected, and Sharpe's death is eventually what led/brought them forward. This article you've linked up takes it in another direction. I am somewhat suspicous of this added account because, from the Statements and Reports, I can find no place where they shared their last names with each other, and the articles in the Washington Post simply say, in essence, based on information from the Butler the Police cleared Brinkert. I will have to look more closely at my Brinkert material to see if there's anything I can find to clear this up further. Michael, I'm not sure what that report you posted shows. I see what Amy's saying about Violet going back to the Morrow estate--running to something as opposed to away from it when CAL Jr. was found dead--but what, in your view, does this imply really? That she actually had something to protect or conceal, or only that she thought she did? My motive for posting it was simply to provide the information it contained so that everyone could use it to help better formulate an opinion. I just find it odd that we have an account of her going into this situation in what appears to be a good mood. Of course it could be she's giving the Police what she thinks they want to hear....that happens too. Did Violet know how Charlie died or things about Charlie's health.....things that the Morrow-Lindbergh families didn't want the public to know? If they thought she was about to let the cat out of the bag then maybe she was murdered and the suicide was staged! One "rumor" was that Sharpe had been murdered. I have a letter somewhere that suggested she was "given" something to calm her nerves and unknowingly drank poison. Here is something else from George Foster. Foster had been a PI who worked for Fawcett, then later assisted with Hoffman's re-investigation while in that capacity as well as after he became employed as a Detective with the Bergen County Police. Concerning his investigations, my opinion is that he would write a Report on anything he found and follow it up to the best of his ability. Something like this Report below proves nothing other then the fact it needed to be checked out. Many people dislike this type of investigation, but for me, I am extremely happy these types of things are written down. Foster has written many that I personally have disproven, proven, or found varying degrees of both through my research. However, he's written some that others have claimed were bogus, but because of them I have been able to find various pieces elsewhere then put the complete picture together proving they were not. Even those I've disproven have led me to other facts I've found to be very important. So those who scoff at this information are cheating and depriving themselves for needed/necessary information simply to support their own views or make it easier on themselves to conclude what they like. Attachment Deleted
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Post by Aimee on Feb 2, 2014 11:02:51 GMT -5
....Just a reminder of why I started this thread.
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Post by Aimee on Feb 2, 2014 11:03:37 GMT -5
...It was a masterful switch.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 11:32:33 GMT -5
Banks did tell the police that after Violet died. It was right after her death because it is in the newspapers from coast to coast as early as June 12th. The possiblity that Sharpe must have told Banks that Brinkert was the wrong Ernie and that it was Miller occured to me also. It is what prompted my original guestion to you which was how could Banks know something that Violet was telling police she didn't know herself. If Violet did actually say such a thing to Banks why is she protecting Miller's identity to begin with? It couldn't be because she was worried about her relationship with Banks. She is confiding in him about her situation. Something else is going on here. There are numerous articles stating that Brinkert was cleared through information provided by Septimus Banks. If Banks isn't saying that Violet told him about Miller then how can Banks tell LE that the real Ernie is Miller?? Banks clears Brinkert. Banks says its really Ernie Miller. Regardless of whether Miller was found because of Banks statements or whether Miller walked in unexpectedly to police and said he was the Ernie who was with Violet on March 1, Banks is still the confirming party that "Miller is the correct Ernie" not Brinkert. How does Banks know this? I appreciate you doing this. If you also have material on Banks that can be checked this would be helpful also. Bank's confirmation of Miller had to based on something solid. Why would police have paid any attention to him otherwise? Many of the newspaper stories are coming from statements being made from Alpine N.J. Would appreciate whatever clarity you can bring to this situation. I think kdwv8 brings up an important point about Violet being murdered and not killing herself. Another round of intense questioning by LE plus Brinkert being brought into the picture could have caused someone else serious concern besides Violet. Was this possibility of murder ever given an serious consideration or just totally rejected from the get-go? XJD, I will let you know what I glean from the book. I agree that there had to be other pictures taken, especially before Charlie's first birthday that could have been included. I will tell you this however, this book was completed after Lindbergh died in 1974. According to the foreward in the book, all the pictures selected for use were done by Anne Lindbergh! She chose this picture to represent Charlie. Just that one. Go figure!!!
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Post by Michael on Feb 2, 2014 11:48:09 GMT -5
Bank's confirmation of Miller had to based on something solid. Why would police have paid any attention to him otherwise? Many of the newspaper stories are coming from statements being made from Alpine N.J. Would appreciate whatever clarity you can bring to this situation. Okay, it looks like the article is correct. I just power read through (3) files of material so forgive me if I sound scatter-brained. It looks like Walsh had solicited Bank's help before her suicide to get the true situation out of her. This, I am sure, was done because he knew how close the two of them were, and it gives one a little insight into the abilities of Walsh. While there is no Report, Memo, or Transcript (that I have ever found) that records Banks giving them this information, I did find it in Edna Sharpe's 2nd Statement. Here the Police are aware of what Edna knew before asking her the questions - my guess is from what Violet told Banks - and she is caught lying concerning this, and I have found some others just from my quick read today. Here is the important part: Q [Schwarzkopf]: She told you that she thought his name was Miller or something like that and she also told Banks that his name was Miller; in fact, it was when Banks told us that Violet had told him that this man's name was Miller that we went out and found the man, so if she told you and Banks, I am wondering why she didn't tell us and I am wondering if you could shed any light on this?
A [Edna]: She was not sure of his name.
Q: You see what we are talking to you for it that we want you to try to explain the situation for us. When we asked Violet where she was on the night of March 1st she said she was out with this man named Ernest. She didn't tell us his last name or anything like it. However, she had told you in her conversation with you that she thought his name was Miller and she told Banks his name and told Banks that he lived in Closter and we went right over and picked him up and he said he was the one who was out with Violet that night and there is nothing that we can see why she was not willing to tell us that. We have not been able to find out why she didn't tell us he was Ernest Miller and lived in Closter. His story checked with what Violet said and there was nothing to hide and what we have been trying to find out is just why it was that she didn't tell us that his name was Miller and that he lived in Closter. If she had told us that in the first place and his story checked, there wouldn't have been any further question on it. It would have checked out her story, but she withheld this man's name and it is quite evident that she knew it because she told you and Banks and when Banks told us it checked up perfectly with the man. Do you know any reason that she could have had for withholding his name? You see that was one of the things which really cast suspicion on Violet.....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 15:25:31 GMT -5
Solid police work on Walsh's part. I think his removal at this point from the case really hurt the investigation. He was after the truth. Who knows what else he might have been able to uncover if he hadn't been sent back to Jersey City.
It makes me wonder just how much Edna really knew about the night of March 1 and Ernie Miller. What did Violet actually share with Edna about it? With the NJSP being burned at the stake over Violet's suicide they would not be able to really press Edna over anything. For me the unanswerable question will always be "Why was the name Ernie Miller worth dying for?"
Thanks Michael for doing all that checking so quickly. It has been a help to me.
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Post by Michael on Feb 4, 2014 19:07:00 GMT -5
My apologies to Aimee for "hijacking" her thread. Unfortunately, the nature of the case may lead our discussions in a million different directions. In some situations I can move them but in others its impossible and better to "just go with it." Here is a document that seems to, at least, back up a certain claim that has been repeated often about Violet and Banks. Of course the source could be doubted, however, unless she was led to say this then I can't see a motive for making it up. (The part marked on the right side of this report was made by Authorities.) Attachment Deleted
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2014 11:15:27 GMT -5
An interesting document you posted. It appears that Violet and Catherine Cornels became fast friends through this hospital stay. Violet obviously left with Catherine's address in her possession since it was found amongst her things after her death. Just a couple of questions about this:
1)Do you know if Violet and Catherine shared the same hospital room? Catherine claims she only remembers seeing servants from the Morrow home including Banks visit her.
2)Were any other interviews done with Catherine Cornels? I don't see LE asking if Violet and Catherine had any contact with each other after leaving the hospital.
3)Is it known what Cornels was hospitalized for?
When you say "led" do you mean that Violet did this by confiding in her about Banks and asking about what she was saying while coming out of the anesthesia? Violet's concern about possibly revealing something while semi-conscious brings us back around to what Violet might have known but was trying to keep secret. It doesn't necessarily mean it was about the kidnapping.
Based on this interview, I don't see anything that would suggest Violet was considering suicide when leaving the hospital. According to this interview Violet was contemplating whether to marry Banks or not. I don't see a "marriage or suicide, what should I choose" mind-set going on here.
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Post by Aimee on Feb 8, 2014 16:33:57 GMT -5
Sometimes I think coming onto this Discussion Board is a positive affirmation. It reaffirms the fact that there are many people who want to know the truth about this case, interested in justice, and share information with details that will someday bring this kidnapping to light. Thank you.
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Post by Michael on Feb 8, 2014 23:50:33 GMT -5
An interesting document you posted. It appears that Violet and Catherine Cornels became fast friends through this hospital stay. Violet obviously left with Catherine's address in her possession since it was found amongst her things after her death. Just a couple of questions about this: It's the only document I've ever found with her name in it. Unfortunately, if there's more I don't believe they're at the NJSP Archives. When you say "led" do you mean that Violet did this by confiding in her about Banks and asking about what she was saying while coming out of the anesthesia? What I mean by this is that sometimes people who are interviewed try to give the Police what they believe the Police are looking for OR the Police ask questions in a way which basically tells them what to say or how to answer. For example, if someone is interviewed about a drug deal and the Police ask: " When you saw this man with the green shirt pull a plastic bag out of his pocket then hand it directly to the guy with the red hat where were you standing?" It could be that none of these things are true but this person wants to help the Police so they go along with it. People play stupid sometimes but the opposite situation can also occur.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2014 10:52:37 GMT -5
I guess I don't understand the mechanics of police investigation. If you want honest answers from someone why would you frame the questions to manipulate the answers? I do understand about people wanting to assist and will seek to answer questions in a way that satisfies police. If there had been no additonal follow-up perhaps the officers felt there was nothing of value to pursue between Violet and this woman. I will continue to wonder why Violet acquired Catherine Cornel's address. I am also considering the possibility that Mrs. Cornel gave it to Violet in hopes of continuing a relationship with her. Violet might not have asked for it herself.
Since this interview took place in 1933, the police were still interested in Violet Sharpe. Does this indicate that they were never satisfied with her death actually being a suicide or did they think she knew more about the kidnapping and killed herself rather than reveal it?
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Post by Michael on Feb 10, 2014 8:56:56 GMT -5
I guess I don't understand the mechanics of police investigation. If you want honest answers from someone why would you frame the questions to manipulate the answers? I do understand about people wanting to assist and will seek to answer questions in a way that satisfies police. There's training for this, and nowadays I'd like to think it doesn't happen as much. Back then it was more about personal "style" then actual ability. Whatever produced results was what was considered success. If there had been no additional follow-up perhaps the officers felt there was nothing of value to pursue between Violet and this woman. It could be there was and the Report was either lost or given verbally. Sometimes a verbal report never made it onto paper, however, it would still exist in the Investigating Officer's notepad. It was from these notes that an actual report was typed-out. I've always found it interesting to see what they originally wrote when compared to what was typed. Since this interview took place in 1933, the police were still interested in Violet Sharpe. Does this indicate that they were never satisfied with her death actually being a suicide or did they think she knew more about the kidnapping and killed herself rather than reveal it? Trust me when I say the Police never let go of the possibility that multiple people were involved. With this is mind, the only persons truly eliminated were the Family itself. I've put together a File I've labeled the "Nov 6th Investigations" and it's evidence that Schwarzkopf had Cops run around to Hauptmann's haunts with a picture of Sharpe.
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Post by Aimee on Feb 15, 2014 14:20:07 GMT -5
Hi Michael! I have reviewed the Federal Bureau Investigation Lindbergh Summery Report Part #1. Is there a Part #2 or 3? Thank you!
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Post by Michael on Feb 15, 2014 16:19:07 GMT -5
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Post by Aimee on Feb 25, 2014 14:11:05 GMT -5
Thank you Michael..I will take a look at those F.B.I. Reports as well. * Also... I would like to welcome Chuckciao to the Board!
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Post by Aimee on Feb 25, 2014 14:15:33 GMT -5
I am tempted to relocated the photos of my dad with an excellent angle of his right ear and compare it to baby Charlie's right ear. The shadow, lighting, angle and camera types were very different back then. I am wondering if anyone on the board would be able to examine these to photos together?? Please let me know. Thank you!
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Post by kdwv8 on Mar 1, 2014 22:43:53 GMT -5
82 years ago tonight. What really happened?
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Post by Aimee on Mar 3, 2014 9:56:07 GMT -5
82 years ago tonight. What really happened? Kdwv8...out of all of the current postings I have seen...this question was directed at me. Thank you. I had to literally take a breath before I could respond. Being on this adventure I call.. Can anyone Please tell me the truth? or Was my father the Lindbergh Baby? I sometime have to pinch myself.
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Post by Aimee on Mar 19, 2014 11:09:14 GMT -5
ATTENTION EVERYONE! I am posting the following information on my thread because it comes from my personal life and I wanted to share this information in hopes that it will get us closer to the truth. Consider this information intellectual property, as it is my theory and belief that the pattern on the ransom notes were made from a TEMPLATE made from an ELECTRICAL CONDUIT PLATE. The circles, squiggly lines and holes would exactly match the pattern on the ransom notes. The circles on a electrical plate (where the electrical wires go in) made the 2 circles to form the pattern exactly the same way on each ransom letter. The squiggly lines on a plate are for the electrican to adjust the screws in the proper location. The holes (that were punched through on the ransom notes)is the place where the electrician puts the screws in to mount the Conduit Plate. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM TRYING TO TELL YOU? DO YOU HAVE ANT FEEDBACK? Thank You!
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Post by Michael on Mar 19, 2014 16:48:06 GMT -5
ATTENTION EVERYONE! I am posting the following information on my thread because it comes from my personal life and I wanted to share this information in hopes that it will get us closer to the truth. Consider this information intellectual property, as it is my theory and belief that the pattern on the ransom notes were made from a TEMPLATE made from an ELECTRICAL CONDUIT PLATE. The circles, squiggly lines and holes would exactly match the pattern on the ransom notes. The circles on a electrical plate (where the electrical wires go in) made the 2 circles to form the pattern exactly the same way on each ransom letter. The squiggly lines on a plate are for the electrican to adjust the screws in the proper location. The holes (that were punched through on the ransom notes)is the place where the electrician puts the screws in to mount the Conduit Plate. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM TRYING TO TELL YOU? DO YOU HAVE ANT FEEDBACK? Thank You! Interesting theory Aimee. Do you have a picture of the plate in question? I would assume you would be saying if this is true then an electrician was behind the symbol's creation?
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Post by Aimee on Mar 20, 2014 22:20:23 GMT -5
Michael, your questions prompted me to pinpoint the type of electrical part I will be looking for. It may be more of a junction box or some component that would be used to bring electricity TO THE HOUSE on the exterior of the house. Yes, this would have come from an electrician. So..my next questions are...Who or What Company provided electricity to the newly build Lindbergh Home? Would the electrician that brought electricity to the house be hired from the electricity company or personally hired from Lindbergh? (The electricity to the house!)? Thanks.
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Post by Michael on Mar 21, 2014 16:58:44 GMT -5
Michael, your questions prompted me to pinpoint the type of electrical part I will be looking for. It may be more of a junction box or some component that would be used to bring electricity TO THE HOUSE on the exterior of the house. Yes, this would have come from an electrician. So..my next questions are...Who or What Company provided electricity to the newly build Lindbergh Home? Would the electrician that brought electricity to the house be hired from the electricity company or personally hired from Lindbergh? (The electricity to the house!)? Thanks. According to Whateley, the Lindbergh's engaged George F. Karch from 43 Chestnut Street in Princeton to do electrical repairs in the Lawrenceville house. According to the NJSP investigation of the "Employees who worked on the construction of the building at the Lindbergh estate in Hopewell, N. J.," Karch did the electrical work as a sub-contractor and had two men helping him: Emil Becker of 41 Chestnut Street in Princeton, and Fred Marks who resided in the Kreeles Apartment Building in Princeton.
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Post by Aimee on Mar 22, 2014 17:06:26 GMT -5
Ok...Michael, you have pinpointed some very specific information! Thank you! I'm looking for the name of the electric company, the actual utility company's name. The one that provided electricity to the house....was the utility company owned by J.P. Morgan?
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Post by Aimee on Mar 23, 2014 13:40:21 GMT -5
"How J.P. Morgan and Rockefeller robbed you of your future...
It goes back to Nikola Tesla and Edison. Their war of DC vs AC current, and what would better suit the world for electrical power transition.
In 1897, the War of the Currents between AC and DC or between Westinghouse and Edison continued unabated. In 1895, Tesla's laboratory in New York City was totally destroyed by fire. Half a lifetime of priceless inventions were destroyed. Tesla usually worked through the night, but that particular night he was not in his shop, and miraculously escaped death.
Huge mergers took place between J. P. Morgan and Rockefeller controlled companies like Thomson-Houston and Edison General Electric to form the present day General Electric Company. This new General Electric Company tried to take over Westinghouse and force them to abandon AC. They insisted that Westinghouse STOP paying royalties to Tesla:
Now you have to understand, George Westinghouse bought all of Tesla's AC power patents AND agreed to royalties of one dollar per horsepower. Back in the time period this occurred that had to be a tremendous amount of money.
So here we have J.P. Morgan and Rockefeller putting the squeeze on Westinghouse,(Tesla's financier for his visions.)"
***....By the way Tesla and Westinghouse won the bid and was given the contract to provide electricity to Niagara Falls!
:oSo...which electric company provided electricity to New Jersey during that time?? <<<<BY THE WAY...>>>> J.P. Morgan's father was born in Hartford Connecticut. That's important to know, since I feel that Connecticut is a part of the kidnapping scenario. I also think that it is important to note that the name Morgan was used for one of Lindbergh's grandsons.
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Post by Michael on Mar 23, 2014 21:05:28 GMT -5
:oSo...which electric company provided electricity to New Jersey during that time?? <<<<BY THE WAY...>>>> J.P. Morgan's father was born in Hartford Connecticut. I have been searching for this for you. So far I haven't found the answer.
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Post by Michael on Mar 24, 2014 19:20:21 GMT -5
Aimee,
I've hit a brick wall. I would think I have the answer somewhere in my files but there's been no luck finding it. I do know that in 1932 New Jersey Power & Light Company served Hunterdon County, however, I don't know if they served Mercer, and since Highfields was a Hopewell address just on the other side of the county line then I am not sure if this is the company providing them with electricity or not. Could be, but I am not certain. You could try Mark at the Archives because he certainly might know, but until I stumble on the answer I won't know for sure.
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Post by Aimee on Apr 6, 2014 18:37:17 GMT -5
Aimee, I've hit a brick wall. I would think I have the answer somewhere in my files but there's been no luck finding it. I do know that in 1932 New Jersey Power & Light Company served Hunterdon County, however, I don't know if they served Mercer, and since Highfields was a Hopewell address. O.K.! Thank you Michael. Do you happen to have the exact address of the Hopewell House? *Electricity will be my next research for this case. AS far as the other conversations going on in this board, I would like to reiterate the fact that it is my belief that the dead toddler they found in the shallow grave of the N.J. Woods was not the Lindbergh Baby. It was a very sick toddler that was taken out of the Meriden TB Children's Hospital in Meriden Connecticut. This baby looked just like Charlie Jr. (and was used as a replacement for Jr.), as Charlie Jr. was then placed into the home where the sick child came from.
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Post by Aimee on Apr 9, 2014 14:00:46 GMT -5
I believe that the kidnapping really took place, then CAL got involved. He was the one who planned the toddler switch with the kidnappers (and others) in order to return Charlie Jr. back to the original family that he came from. That is why CAL took an unannounced plane trip to Connecticut. He controlled the entire shabang after he found out who took Charlie Jr. in the first place..and then played everyone like a fiddle!
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