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Post by rod on Nov 24, 2012 1:34:48 GMT -5
My first post. Seems to be no biographical info on Condon online. Wiki is useless. Where is his Obit? (Not a link to a NYT page that may be unreadable and take an hour to load.) Always strikes me as odd when the media merely pigeonhole a man, like Condon, as a crank and then give no hard specifics of his life and death.
It surprises me any online Group exists on this. All the folks my age are either long dead or de facto cut off from net access. Most can't type or not puter savy or can't see well, or general health failure. Perhaps there are 10,000 living men and women who remember that era. With no knowledge of or access to a Group like this, we can't gain access to their living thoughts and ideas from that era.
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Post by bookrefuge on Nov 24, 2012 11:31:23 GMT -5
Hello, Rod. Welcome to the board! I see you are 102. My father will be 99 in January; he still remembers the kidnapping, and he also clearly remembers Lindbergh flying over Georgia in 1927. He says that when a plane went overhead in those days, everyone came running out to see it, because planes were still a novelty.
I think it is important to have insights from people like you, because it is easier to understand aspects of the 1932 Lindbergh kidnapping if we better understand the context of life at that time.
By the way, Rod, by any chance were you the Lindbergh kidnapper? If you would confess, it would save us a lot of work and time. (Just joking!)
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Post by Michael on Nov 24, 2012 11:38:28 GMT -5
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Post by rod on Nov 24, 2012 13:26:16 GMT -5
No. I'm not the Lindbergh Baby either. I have an older neighbor and she still lives at home (after the death of her sister). I'm not used to some of the protocols and so making this with 'Quick Reply'. Back on Condon, I don't feel he was 'in with the kidnappers'. At sometime, I'll find an obituary and then copy some of that, here. If that question of mine finds no reply, I'd like to know of --or books about-- contemporary 'kidnap gangs' in America? They would have have similar targets and patterns and methods (including selling off Marked Ransom Monies at a sharp discount).
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Post by rod on Nov 28, 2012 21:13:05 GMT -5
I looked for an obit or grave listing of John Francis Condon. He died in 1945 buried I think in Westchester NY. The 'memorial' which I saw at 'Find A Grave' showed that someone included an insulting message inscribed in a sign near his grave. I looked at old magazines from 1940 on and JFC had little or no mention. An old Saturday Evening Post of Sept 1943 has a lame article 'What Ever Happened to Jafsie' near the back of the issue. It is a small square insert and says almost nothing. That he then lived near (widow) Anna Hauptmann, and that he knows he has been pointed out to her as the man who helped send her husband to the Electric Chair.
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Post by jack7 on Nov 28, 2012 22:04:04 GMT -5
Nice to see another investigator. My father was born in 1913 and was a teen when Lindbergh flew the ocean. Dad's uncle owned a plane and my dad flew with him at shows, wingwalking and stunting. He never said if he knew CAL or not, but said the fliers considered Lindbergh as crazy, and I asked him about BRH once - he said he thought he had something to do with the kidnapping.
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Post by rod on Dec 1, 2012 9:04:54 GMT -5
John Francis Condon was born June 1, 1860 in the Bronx. Was Valedictorian of PS #61 in 1877. Got a BA degree from City College of NY in 1882. Got a second BA degree from St Johns College. Got a Masters Degree from Fordham University in 1902. Got a PhD in Pedagogy from NYU in 1904. Worked for Western Union 1882/83 learned telegraphy. Took Teachers Exam in NY. Was a superb athlete, known as The Tremont Peach in baseball. Played on the Bronx Emeralds baseball team. Won 60+ gold medals for sports. In swimming and life-saving received awards, saved several lives. Married to Myra Brown and had 3 children. Had a summer home on City Island, was often seen there in company of his young secretary Jennie Barton.
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Post by rod on Dec 9, 2012 10:24:22 GMT -5
As I get time I look over the Board. And I guess there are or have been another 2 or 3 similar Lindberg Kidnapping boards online, the past years. On this board, in terms of 'pages' (of say 62 lines of text, like a letter size page), how many 'pages' of items are there? I would guess maybe 2000? And a printed book is often say 400 pages. Decades ago, at junk sales and auctions I would come across boxes of Lindberg stuff that the (now dead) home owner had kept. And I used to buy some of them: magazine and newspaper articles, scrapbooks etc. Depression era stuff. There is/was so much data in so many directions that it sprung up hobbyists with good and bad Theories. And you'd often see notebooks crammed with hard-to-read written notes and theories on the Kidnapping.
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Post by Michael on Dec 10, 2012 9:15:27 GMT -5
I think one of the major questions that everyone attempts to answer is whether or not Hauptmann and Condon were known to one another.
There is some circumstancial evidence - but is it enough? And if not, what amount would be?
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Post by Michael on Dec 10, 2012 13:12:15 GMT -5
This picture was sent to me by a Friend who selflessly told me to feel free to post it. It was taken at the Gate of Heaven Cemetery in Valhalla, NY: Attachments:
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Post by Miss dockendorf on Mar 24, 2017 13:32:56 GMT -5
Wing walking!!!!!! How amazing! I'm blown away by that, I'd never have the guts to even try. By the way I have read other lady pilots didn't like Amelia Earhart. They didn't think she knew what she was doing. Wing walking!!!!!!
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Post by wolfman666 on Jun 30, 2017 10:16:01 GMT -5
I never read that other lady pilots didn't like earhart but I know some hated her husband Putnam. elinor smith a great lady flyer didn't like him according to her bio I read
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Post by Miss dockendorf on Jul 1, 2017 15:03:50 GMT -5
Exactly, Amelia and her husband knew the value of PR and they both enjoyed hogging the spotlight. I think there were other female pilots far more talented than Amelia but she knew how to play the press and get in the spotlight. Watched a documentary on Amelia years ago and the various pilots, all women, didn't think highly of her and thought she believed her own press. That's where I got that from. Would love to find the documentary again.
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Post by jack7 on Jul 2, 2017 1:29:03 GMT -5
Yup, dad was a wing-walker! Said they used to do stunts (loop the loop and stuff) at state fairs, air shows along with taking people for rides in those creaky old planes. He said they cheated death every day. He was a Navy pilot during the war and my uncle was Marine Air Officer (became a glider instructor so he knew his stuff.) Uncle kept up his license until the time of his death but it's a very expensive hobby and few of the old fliers did.
Dad didn't talk much about TLC, but said the general public was very interested regarding the suicide of the maid. His telling me about that is what first got me interested in Lindbergh. He said Lindbergh was pretty well known to the flying industry even before his big flight because, as stated above, he was considered beyond lucky, crazy.
I was surprised that Amelia was at Lindbergh's house during an incident told in one of the books. I thought he had an aversion to her. It was always left to the imagination why the aversion, but easy to figure out.
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Post by kate1 on Jul 2, 2017 3:55:04 GMT -5
Exactly, Amelia and her husband knew the value of PR and they both enjoyed hogging the spotlight. I think there were other female pilots far more talented than Amelia but she knew how to play the press and get in the spotlight. Watched a documentary on Amelia years ago and the various pilots, all women, didn't think highly of her and thought she believed her own press. That's where I got that from. Would love to find the documentary again. There is a hall at Purdue University named for her.
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Post by Miss dockendorf on Jul 2, 2017 7:48:48 GMT -5
I believe there's a crater on the moon named after as well.
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Post by scathma on Jul 3, 2017 8:36:14 GMT -5
Exactly, Amelia and her husband knew the value of PR and they both enjoyed hogging the spotlight. I think there were other female pilots far more talented than Amelia but she knew how to play the press and get in the spotlight. Watched a documentary on Amelia years ago and the various pilots, all women, didn't think highly of her and thought she believed her own press. That's where I got that from. Would love to find the documentary again. If you have Netflix there is an Earhart documentary currently available: Amelia: A Tale of Two Sisters 2017 TV-PG 43m Eight decades after her disappearance, Amelia Earhart's incredible accomplishments are still celebrated, thanks in large part to her sister Muriel.
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Post by Miss dockendorf on Jul 3, 2017 18:52:28 GMT -5
Actually I don't have Netflix however I have spent the past few hours watching various documentaries about all things Amelia. Ask me anything . There's a man who actually thinks he has found her wreckage using Google Earth. Think I would enjoy the Netflix documentary. Thanks for the suggestion.
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Post by scathma on Jul 5, 2017 15:22:18 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 21:51:41 GMT -5
The Today show had a segment on the picture that scathma posted above. They reviewed the picture with some image experts and here is what they said. youtu.be/o10x8h2yegQ
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