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Post by anon2 on May 22, 2010 15:04:37 GMT -5
its easy to see how you guys work in concert to bury any threadline like CJr dead as a popcorn _____
"Jack7" = 7 of 10 posts just chit-chatin about personalities VOC Kev = one opinion void of content on the thread topic VOC Steve = one high five to MM VOC MM= one actual thought falls on death ears total = 10: 1 thought and any post you cant see you cant read gone forever like TP out of site out of mind what you say
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Post by kevkon on May 22, 2010 16:15:36 GMT -5
Anon2; You left out yourself, the ultimate thread destroyer and leader of the non-objective school of thought.
Jack; That's rich . Introduce two people you don't even know and never will. Or are you an 81 too?
You guys just kill me. Much better than Comedy Central.
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Post by jack7 on May 22, 2010 17:18:21 GMT -5
What's an 81? If you're talking age Rick's only 62, or maybe 3 now. I'd guess you're retired because you seem to hang at the computer all day. Did they cancel your soaps?
And Anon2 - have you ever contributed ANYTHING?
Nobody wants to kill anybody Kev - kneecap would do.
Rick and I put out new junk - Noso - DMjr. - things not normally looked at, and we get slammed for that. Well that's the way things go, but the issues are still realities even when our posting about them is no more.
So whine all you like about stupidity on here and not discussing relevance such as the ladder, but some of us are in the weeds watching and will keep bringing up things which you don't like.
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Post by kevkon on May 22, 2010 19:41:45 GMT -5
You kinda fell on your sword there, Jack. If you can't cover, you shouldn't be sitting at the table. Ask DH, he can fill you in. Anyway, stop with the pathetic martyr routine, no one slams you for bringing up an idea. You only get slammed when you can't or won't stand behind it. Personally, I was hoping you would stick with the Nazi connection theory. Sounds more interesting than the usual suspects and there's not even a bad book written about it. It's virgin territory!
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Post by jack7 on May 22, 2010 20:04:21 GMT -5
BS man - you're slamming me right now and most of the time I'm not sure what you're talking about and is it ME? What is 81? Do you know? Do you mean to fall on a sword? Why not just say that then? Who is DH? A friend of yours? Do you mean Dave H? Why not just say his name then? Last I heard Dave was in Holland. So Dave asks some good questions as does Bob Mills whom you seem to also unlike and that's just the way it is. I'm not putting you down but we can all have our own beliefs and mine says that if you and Michael have been knocking at a door for eighty years with no answer you're probably knocking at the wrong door.
Nazi is an end w/Bruno, but not with who did the crime - DMjr. in collusion with Elisabeth.
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Post by jack7 on May 22, 2010 20:10:15 GMT -5
Oops:
I said to myself that out of respect I would never call him Bruno and I'm sorry that I just did.
He is/was Richard.
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Post by kevkon on May 23, 2010 9:42:38 GMT -5
You either get it or you don't, Jack and since you have to ask, I guess you don't. That's all I needed to know, thanks. Your idea of being "slammed" is a lot different than mine. As far as I can see you been handled with kid gloves here. And once again, don't speak for me or presume to know whom I like or dislike.
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Post by jack7 on May 23, 2010 13:27:56 GMT -5
Thanks for the "kid gloves" Kevkon because I know that you in collusion with Michael banned Rita for being a "crazy old lady." What's wrong with a few crazy old ladies?
I have a crazy old lady - but she has nice feet. And she doesn't look so old.
If I appear to speak for you it's that I'm repeating the opinion which you profess. If you don't want people to "speak for you" then don't give your opinion.
If William Norris claims that DMjr. did the Lindgergh Crime, then I can say that he says so - duh!
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Post by jack7 on May 23, 2010 13:31:29 GMT -5
And don't try to tell me what to do - remember that alley which you never came up with? Anytime - you and all your buddies! And you better wear vests.
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Post by Michael on May 23, 2010 13:34:28 GMT -5
I banned Rita. Kevin had nothing to do with it. I banned Mike K. but have since lifted that ban. Kevin had nothing to do with that either. I banned all the Chinese Spammers, and you guessed it, Kevin had nothing to do with that either.
Rita was making outrages personal accusations against me and others without any reason and/or provocation. She will always be banned.
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Post by jack7 on May 23, 2010 13:34:29 GMT -5
Yup, I am crazy.
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Post by kevkon on May 23, 2010 15:10:02 GMT -5
You're not crazy, Jack. Just needy.
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Post by jack7 on May 23, 2010 18:29:48 GMT -5
Nope, Kev, I am legally crazy. I'm not even sure why - they won't tell me or my relations exactly what's wrong either. Maybe, since I'm legally crazy, I can get away with doing some things - hmm, have to think about that - what was your address again? I know it's NJ.
But I'm sure glad it doesn't show.
I know, Michael that you do not do for spite, and am sure Rita can get on anyone's nerves - enough said? I won't bring it up again.
Tell me someone who isn't needy and I'll show you a liar.
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Post by chrisyb65 on Jul 18, 2010 15:40:29 GMT -5
This is my first post to the board, and I have been fascinated by the Lindbergh kidnapping for some time. I grew up in Hopewell and have heard most of the rumors and legends surrounding the kidnapping.
I have been most curious about the most recent claims by Robert Aldinger. He seems in many ways to fit the bill of hidden in plain sight. He claims he has DNA evidence that he is not his "fathers" son. There is also evidence he spent time in an orphanage while a young child. Too me one of the most brilliant ways LKC could have been perpetuated would have been for the actual baby to have been sold or given away.
I know that it has recently been disclosed that Lindbergh had 3 secret families in Europe and those families have been verified by DNA. If the forensics are in place to say yeah or nay to the Europeans why not for the american's who claim to be the eaglet. Aldinger is not asking for anything from the American Lindberghs (at least not that I have been able to find so far) why not just compare the DNA.
If this is not the right place for this thread please feel free to move it.
I know this has tremendous implications for the Hauptmann family and possible complications for the state of NJ.
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Post by Michael on Jul 18, 2010 16:32:19 GMT -5
Hi Chrisy, Thanks for posting and when you get a chance I would really like to hear those stories! Aldinger is among the numerous people who have claimed to be the missing Lindbergh Child. His "parents" were definitely connected to Hauptmann because they were the ones who took him in. Additionally, Aldinger's grandparents split up and his Grandfather blamed Hauptmann. Investigative Reporter, Mike Holfeld, started to dig into Aldinger's story a number of years ago. I met him at the NJSP Archives in 2003 and communicated with him a couple of times afterwords. It's mentioned in one of his articles that while Aldinger's DNA test proved his Father was not a match but that his Mother was a 94% chance of being his Mother. In the meantime, anything I found researching at the Archives I either shared with Mike, or Robert Aldinger himself, who would then turn it over to Mike. For example, I found a petition signed by many people to include Fred Aldinger in support of Richard Hauptmann. I found that one of the many PIs, Julius Braun, was investigating an angle on behalf of Gov. Hoffman that included an Aldinger connection. But in the end, when considering ALL the evidence, there is nothing to support Aldinger's claim that he is the child. Just the fact his Father wasn't his real Father, which probably explains why he was abused, the 6% chance his Mother isn't his Mother, and that they were connected to Hauptmann early. I am convinced beyond all doubt the corpse found was the Lindbergh child. However, I am open to any ideas or thoughts to the contrary - or otherwise.
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Post by chrisyb65 on Jul 18, 2010 23:16:19 GMT -5
most of the stories deal with how the town was turned upside down as the state police came and used Hopewell as their base for the investigation. Some of the real old timers "knew" the couple who were the Lindbergh's house staff. Mostly that kind of thing. One or two stories about the man who found the baby's remains at Mt. Rose.
i have read the article in the seminole magazine and it is quite well written.
One of the things I found most frusterating in doing my reasearch is the lack of modern forensics. I know we need to respect the wishes and privacy of the family who suffered such a tragic loss so much could be put to rest by forensic analysis.
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Post by chrisyb65 on Jul 18, 2010 23:24:03 GMT -5
just a final thought...is aldinger hauptmanns son.
it gives a motive for his desire to be CAL III...
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Post by Michael on Jul 19, 2010 8:04:02 GMT -5
I grew up in Lambertville and used to listen to stories about this myself. I was too young, but then again, without the internet I would never have developed as much as I have now....
There was a ton of forensics done back during the NJSP "Re-evaluation" of the crime. The bones were even studied. If you get a chance to go to the NJSP Archives ask Mark Falzini for more information on this. There's some, but a lot never found its way into the Archives.
As far as why DNA isn't done on everyone who makes this claim and I can kind of understand. It would be like "open season" if people saw this was being done. Every "nut" would crawl out of the woodwork.
I considered Aldinger was Hauptmann's son too. But in the end its a wild guess. And while Aldinger surely doesn't look like CJr., he doesn't look like Hauptmann either.
What I've noticed over the last 10 years of researching this crime is that most people who honestly believe(d) they were the child, do so because as a child - they were told by someone they weren't who they thought they were or that they actually were HIM. Imagine a child growing up under those conditions.....
In Aldinger's case, he claims abuse then remembers suggestions about his identity by and through the abuse he endured. Songs, rhymes, and anger alike.
After years of wondering it "clicked" (to him) who he was.
At this point he's too far gone..... claiming pictures show people who aren't who he says they are etc. If you disagree he gets angry, and if you present something he doesn't "like" he views you as an enemy. So its real hard to know what the truth is and what it isn't as he recounts his childhood memories to you.
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Post by chrisyb65 on Jul 19, 2010 21:58:44 GMT -5
michael, i absolutely agree that DNA testing should not be done on everyone who claims to be CAL. i did not mean to imply that i thought that was the case. it just seems to me that this person is connected to the crime even if the connection is rather indirect.
again, i believe we need to respect the wishes of the lindbergh family. they are the one's who have suffered the loss of a child.
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Post by jack7 on Jul 20, 2010 2:27:29 GMT -5
Even Kevkon doesn't post on here anymore. Better get that book written quickly Michael before everybody forgets about old Charles and Anne.
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Post by jack7 on Jul 20, 2010 2:40:40 GMT -5
Just as a quick aside, Michael, there's nobody out there and havn't been for fifty years who gives a poop about the identity of the baby so why do you waste endless time in that junk? I do soduko puzzles, and there's a saying "go for the numbers." That would also pertain here - go for 'em.
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Post by kevkon on Jul 20, 2010 10:14:16 GMT -5
Hey Jack, sometimes it's more enjoyable to spectate. Besides, I'm really not into discussions which don't involve tangible evidence.
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Post by Michael on Jul 20, 2010 15:53:29 GMT -5
Jack - I disagree. If you check out the "hits" on the counter you can see people are at least curious. I get a lot of emails too. People don't post for whatever reasons ... I really don't understand why but that's up to them.
Chrisy - Oh, I agree with you. There is a connection and its an interesting one at that. I've just been down the path you seem to be on now and have already come to a conclusion. Don't let my position dissuade you from digging into it... I've been wrong about things before and I am quite sure I'll be wrong again.
It's the nature of the Case for us to travel down one-way streets and dead-ends. Every once in a while though, one street runs into another and that's when the fun begins.
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Post by jack7 on Jul 20, 2010 16:46:43 GMT -5
Chrisy is interesting, and brings up some new things - that's the way it should be - but that's not going to solve anything Michael, and you know that more than me do. And Kevkon, you know that too - this site can be some fun, but it's never going to solve anything unless any of you guys know what to do about hammertoes. I wore cowboy boots for many years and now want to go barefoot and the two don't mix.
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Post by jack7 on Jul 21, 2010 10:46:09 GMT -5
Well Kevkon I certainly - ack the guy stinkns - brush your teeth kevkon! - anyway I'm not on here that much so I don't really matter.You guys are having your flaunt and that's cool by me.
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Post by kevkon on Jul 21, 2010 11:39:15 GMT -5
You got me on that one , Jack. I have no idea what the hell your talking about. Actually you seem to be on this site quite a lot.
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Post by jack7 on Jul 21, 2010 15:10:29 GMT -5
I come and go like the wind, but I make good points so they stick around. Have you noticed the comments about Noso lately on the other site? He's the one you guys should frappalizing instead of pinewood.
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Post by kevkon on Jul 21, 2010 16:39:34 GMT -5
Oh, is that what you call them? I thought they were rants and raves.
Where do we do that, at Starbucks?
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Post by jack7 on Jul 21, 2010 17:16:24 GMT -5
But you never leave, Kevkon. You're like a plugged coin.
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Post by kevkon on Jul 21, 2010 17:55:30 GMT -5
See Jack, that's the difference between you and me. If I have a point to make I make it. I just don't see the point of these obtuse and obscure references. Just get to it. A "plugged coin"?? So what are you trying to say, I'm a counterfeit? Damaged? Worthless? C'mon man, just be direct. FYI; I have really do have better things to do than engage in pointless or non-objective argument. If I had any interest in that I'd be posting in that place where the "comments" are to be found.
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