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Post by wahian on Apr 1, 2011 13:33:36 GMT -5
Thank you Michael; you've been most helpful. I think we can now demonstrate Violet, Edna, and George ( and his family) were living close together in Paddington, London being as thats's where Lisson St is; two streets away from the Edgeware Rd. But to slightly amend a couple of things for background---- George Payne was from Frome, Somerset. On 29 September, 1895, he'd married Ellen Cone from Eyke, Suffolk at Holy Trinity, Camden, London. Ellen's sister Annie Cone was a witness. Daughter Winifred was born in 1897 in West Kensington. By 1901, they'd moved again to Hanover Buildings, Mayfair where his job was a butler at another location. By, 1911, they'd gone a bit north to Kilburn where he is now a Valet and his wife runs a newspaper shop. Daughter Winfred married a Joseph Little in 1923 at St Giles area of London. So, at some point in 1920's George, Ellen, and family were now living in Paddington when Violet and Emily's passenger list shows they were living at Paddington too and likely, both left the country under assumed names for reasons best known to themselves. And the house Violet and George worked at was most likely in Paddington as well. I think he died in 1942 and his wife Ellen in 1959.
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Post by Michael on Apr 1, 2011 18:38:25 GMT -5
This is great research. I have no idea how you find this stuff as fast as you do ..... but thanks! I am interested to know what your position is concerning Violet's claims she was married to Mr. Payne.
Why do you think she would say this? What possibilities exist and what percentages would you assign to each?
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Post by wahian on Apr 1, 2011 19:24:39 GMT -5
Glad you found the information of interest Michael, and just to add---George was buried 3 December 1942 in St Pancras Cemetery, Camden. The marriage index mis-states Ellen's name as Cove, and unlike the vicar, Annie writes her name Cone very neatly on the marriage certifcate. When the police later came to their home. the Little's son, Henry born 1924, should have been living with them too.
I shall come back later re: your questions and how we can reconcile the facts with what is going on with Violet etc., notably in Paddington sometime between 1923 and 1929.
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Post by wahian on Apr 3, 2011 15:36:35 GMT -5
I would give the chances of Violet really being married marginally higher than zero. Why she would want people to believe she was married; traveled to Canada as Violet Payne I would have no idea why. Was she suffering from some psychosis that eventually, under the stress of police questioning, would end by taking her own life?
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Post by Michael on Apr 4, 2011 7:02:00 GMT -5
I remember in one of the reports it saying she was "off" after crashing a motorcycle. I suppose the timing of this would be important because it seems to suggest was wasn't "off" before it. Her letters seemed normal although she does say in that infamous one about, in essence, life not be worth living....
She also seems to be concerned for Bank's mental health by getting him to promise he would stop drinking.
I do believe if she hadn't been murdered, as some of the rumors which swirled suggested, then she regretted her actions shortly after making them by running downstairs screaming like she did.
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