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Post by sue75 on Jan 2, 2011 19:51:50 GMT -5
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Post by scathma on May 16, 2017 15:01:29 GMT -5
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Post by kate1 on May 17, 2017 4:56:44 GMT -5
Looks like Fisch to me.
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Post by scathma on May 17, 2017 8:37:25 GMT -5
More like a fat Fisch
Fliesher seems to have a round face versus the thinner face of Fisch...
www.gettyimages.com/license/517730212
Didn't some witness descriptions mention a "fuller" face?
Fleisher seems the fullest face I've seen among LKC suspects
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Post by hurtelable on May 17, 2017 9:05:22 GMT -5
More like a fat Fisch
Fliesher seems to have a round face versus the thinner face of Fisch...
www.gettyimages.com/license/517730212
Didn't some witness descriptions mention a "fuller" face?
Fleisher seems the fullest face I've seen among LKC suspects
I don't know anything of any connection of Harry Fleisher to the LKC, other than the linked article from a 2010 Connecticut newspaper that was posted here. I do believe that at one point police showed Condon several photos of men known to be connected to the Purple Gang, and Condon couldn't identify any of them as "Cemetery John." I would agree with scathma that Fleisher is not Fisch. Fisch was thin (suffering from TB, a generally weight-losing disease), while Fleisher looks chubby, if not fat.
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Post by kate1 on May 17, 2017 9:43:30 GMT -5
Maybe before the final stages of TB? I don't think it's Fisch, just looks similar.
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Post by kate1 on May 17, 2017 10:06:39 GMT -5
Why did the FBI want to question Fleisher regarding TLK?
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Post by kate1 on May 17, 2017 10:07:38 GMT -5
Why did the FBI want to question Fleisher regarding TLK?
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Post by scathma on May 17, 2017 10:39:37 GMT -5
I'd like to know why the caption to the photo describes him as "the Lindbergh Kidnapper"?
I realize the papers often put out misinformation and the date is April of 1932 so it's early in the investigation, but is there more backstory on this guy?
A search of the board produced minimal results and I don't have the 15 minutes of fame book yet...
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Post by Michael on May 18, 2017 5:10:09 GMT -5
Why did the FBI want to question Fleisher regarding TLK? An Informant named him. I'd like to know why the caption to the photo describes him as "the Lindbergh Kidnapper"? There is a ton about this in the FBI Summary Report. If you don't have it yet I've linked it up in the Members Only Section under the "Source Material" thread. What's written there is fairly reliable since the FBI were involved with this investigation.
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Post by scathma on May 18, 2017 8:30:05 GMT -5
Thanks Michael. I'll check out the report.
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Post by hurtelable on May 18, 2017 15:21:15 GMT -5
Regarding the Purple Gang, would anyone know if Jacob Nosovitsky had any connection to it? He certainly fits the demographic: Eastern European Jewish background, lived in Detroit during his youth, criminal mindset, espionage skills useful to a mob organization.
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Post by scathma on May 18, 2017 15:56:35 GMT -5
Bookrefuge thinks he did:
Marie, rather than knock your suspicions of Noso down, I would validate them. Noso was said by Doyle to be recruiting for the kidnapping of a prominent New Jerseyite; he was definitely connected to Dwight Morrow (had worked for him in Mexico), and was definitely connected to Condon (we know there was a lawsuit between them). He was an agent for British intelligence, and had nerves of steel, as he had penetrated the Communist party for them. He had connections to the Purple Gang (noted for their kidnapping skills) as well as having connections to the New York City police. He even knew J. Edgar. And he had a background as a chemist, which wouldn’t hurt in doping a baby. Added to that, I believe "JJ Faulkner" was one of his many aliases. I’m not saying “this is the man,” but if you’re looking for someone who would fill the bill as foreman of the kidnapping, based on both his associations and background, I think he’s a great choice. I believe he had an alibi for the night of the kidnapping, but with a man of that caliber, I would expect him to have an alibi nicely pre-arranged. Thank you, Michael. The information you have at your fingertips is amazing. By the way, regarding Nosovitsky, I recall seeing 2 pages of a 3-page deposition by Dinny Doyle that you uploaded, and now I can’t find it on this board. Can you remind me of the link? Also, I seem to recall that the third page either wasn’t there or I couldn’t access it, and I wanted to ask about that third page. I’m not trying to link Berg to Nosovitsky, I’m just interested in what Doyle said about the latter. Noso, of course, had high potential as an LKC suspect—an intelligence agent with ties to the Morrows, Condon, the Purple Gang, a “JJ Faulkner” alias, reported as trying to recruit for a New Jersey kidnapping, etc. I will say that the man Mairi mentions, Jacob Nosovitsky, as a “James Bond” of his day, would be just the kind of man I’d hire to organize a job like this. Nosovitsky used the alias "JJ Faulkner," was reportedly recruiting to kidnap a "prominent" New Jersey resident, and he had established ties to the Morrows, to the Purple Gang (veteran kidnappers), to John F. Condon and (according to Condon relative Pat Doyle) to Isidor Fisch.
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Post by hurtelable on May 18, 2017 17:41:01 GMT -5
Much thanks for those old posts by bookrefuge, scathma. So combining what we have, it would appear that Noso quite possibly had ties to the Purple Gang. I wouldn't rule out Noso as a key figure in the LKC, perhaps even the ransom note writer for all the notes after the first, and/.or perhaps even "Cemetery John." He was almost surely "J. J. Faulkner", in possession of almost $3,000 in ransom loot on May 1, 1933. Furthermore, Noso could have given authorities false leads as to the alleged participation of Purple Gang figures such as Fleisher and Rosenbloom, to direct attention away from himself c. April 1932.
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