jack7
Major
Der Führer
Posts: 1,920
|
Post by jack7 on Mar 30, 2010 23:53:12 GMT -5
Try a little logic.
Supposedly Fisch is semi-impoverished, but according to researchers is sending a little money home to his folks.
Is 1932. everybody wants to get out (Jews which the Fisches are) of Germany as does Fisch. Fisch sends small amounts of money to his parents to help to get them out.
Idiador borrows (Aug. '34?) $ 2,000 from Hauptmann.
Instead of sending it to his parents to get out of Germany he uses it to get himself into Germany.
Fisch: gets into the country legally shortly before the kidnapping and leaves shortly after the kidnapping.
Junges - Known to "Red, and Betty as well" - are in fact riding around with Red on the night of the kidnapping. Though Margurite Junges has an apartment she normally stays at with her husband, she goes back to Morrow home late on night of kidnapping, as does Violet.
SHORTLY AFTER THE KIDNAPPING BOTH JUNGES RETURN TO GERMANY (Hamburg).
Ever think of the coincidence that (4) participents in the crime - two Junges and Red (on call to Betty) might be together on the same night, and at the same time, a major crime happened?
How many of Hauptmann's, Fisch's and Novositsky's or Novositsky himself, friends retuned to Germany after September of 1932? We know of two - three counting Fisch earlier.
Nosovsitsky is for some reason a complete unknown after 1932 in spite of the fact that J.E. Hoover said Nosovitsky did write the J.J. Faulkner gold note (and notes to Governor Hoffmann), "but was not involved with the crime;" Hoover never went after Novosistky.
|
|
|
Post by rick3 on Mar 31, 2010 0:42:13 GMT -5
Jack.....Moneybags Fisch couldnt have been too poor--he owned property out on Long Island {Steve has seen it} Do you remember how Kaiser Soze conned everyone in Usual Suspects by limping around and playing dumb! [he was bankrolling BRH--likely money laundering; always starting a new company Solar]
Yes--the arrival of Johannsen Junge in Dec 1931 certainly timely! Did he have any job? Margarite lived at Next Day Hill? Were his roomates Red and Ellerson? Junges bailed faster than Edna Sharpe...
Just keep repeating: Its a small small world [eg Inside Job]
|
|
|
Post by wolf2 on Mar 31, 2010 4:39:52 GMT -5
digging up documents around freeport long island, fisch never really owned it but almost bought it
|
|
jack7
Major
Der Führer
Posts: 1,920
|
Post by jack7 on Mar 31, 2010 6:20:50 GMT -5
So there's people in the USA for a few years, then they go back to Germany. The Junges are the ones we know of and the other possibilities are many. What happened to the Kloppelburgs? The Luxemburg(s?)? Novositsky was already here but where did he go after 1933? What happened to the Henkels? Gerta was at a trial, but what about after 1934? And what about those who could be many which we've never even heard about?
If you're a spy you're not going to wear a breadboard!
Rick: What about Edna Sharpe? She comes to the new world to find a grand life and sticks around for? Then scoots! Same with Violet - she has it grabbed and pulls the plug?
Fisch had enough cash to (for all we know) drop $ 14K on BRH and split for Germany.
Someone said there's not many bodies to the Lindbergh crime - start adding them up.
This board (kudos to Michael as being acknowledged in the book "Master Detective" as valuable source(s) along with Kevkon, Steve Romeo, and Ronelle) has a tendency to either ignore or dust off inclinations that could be of importance. Now to show that I'm not just contriving something, look back at Rick's posts about "yods." The yods do exist on the notes and since they are part of the signature, must mean something. So wouldn't that be a better issue for an investigative board to delve into rather than what happened to the chair BRH was executed in?
Just a question - perhaps this board would rather sell locks of Jr.'s hair - I know some blondes.
|
|
jack7
Major
Der Führer
Posts: 1,920
|
Post by jack7 on Mar 31, 2010 6:26:46 GMT -5
For Rick:
Not familiar with Kaiser Soze.
If he laundered money for BRH then when did he go back to Germany?
|
|
kevkon
Lt. Colonel
Posts: 2,800
|
Post by kevkon on Mar 31, 2010 7:42:44 GMT -5
Jack, have you looked at the spreadsheets and analysis of the finances by Rab. It's in the archive section. I mention this since you seem to be interested with the finances and I think some of your questions have been answered by Rab. I would be interested to hear what you think about it.
Jack, no one "dusts off" anything on this board. Rick has proposed a number of explanations for the squiggles in the notes. As far as I know, they have all been discussed at length. If you feel there has not been sufficient discussion given to the "yods", then by all means go further with it. I really don't understand the point of tossing stuff out and not sticking with it. If you keep focused on the issue, we can all get somewhere. Otherwise this is all just spam.
Btw Happy Birthday Rick!
|
|
jack7
Major
Der Führer
Posts: 1,920
|
Post by jack7 on Mar 31, 2010 8:12:32 GMT -5
That's exactly what I'm doing, Kevkon.
And certainly you don't have to answer for this board - no one really does - it's a discussion. But I'll say again that Yods were dusted off as nothing and do you consider Rick crazy or something? He had a legitimate thing while the general talk was what size Anne's shoes were.
Why should I check with Rab - I'm looking at it all in published books which say the same thing. Hauptmann's finances were questionable to some extent, sure - mine probably would be too. And I can't tell you where I was on March 1, 2007! Or April 2, 2007! Or my birthday a few years ago other than I probably wasn't/was partying - who knows?
I hereby submit to Michael that Rick's "yod" posts be brought up again as current presentations to be discussed. There aren't many here but it would be nice to have Wolf's opinion.
Also Michael's and Kevkon's and Rita's and Maria's. And Bob Mills and EMM's and A's and . . .
|
|
kevkon
Lt. Colonel
Posts: 2,800
|
Post by kevkon on Mar 31, 2010 9:01:54 GMT -5
Jack, if you look at the threads in the handwriting/ note section , I think you will see nothing was ignored. If you feel it needs further discussion, then by all means continue on. I'll be happy to participate as I am very interested in the notes. Regarding Rab, he is probably one of the very best researchers in this case. His work on the finances is excellent and very thorough. It was for that reason that I asked if you looked at it. Rab is also one of those researchers that manages to stay unbiased, so his results offer everyone a database of factual information. It may not be as exciting as general theorizing, but at the end of the day what counts is where you have progressed. I will admit, the world of finance is beyond me. If you have some expertise in that regard, then I would like to hear what you make of Rab's findings. Like I have said too many times, what we don't know about Hauptmann is inexcusable given the amount of attention this case has received. For example, though I don't completely agree with Micheal's view on the "pre-payment", one has to wonder how the Hauptmann's manage to afford a trip to Germany (Anna), a mortgage, buy a new car, and then take off for California with Kloppy. Let's see, it's the depression, Richard has only sporadic work and they are doing things not many at the time could or would even think about.
|
|
jack7
Major
Der Führer
Posts: 1,920
|
Post by jack7 on Mar 31, 2010 15:56:17 GMT -5
That's exactly what I'm doing, Kevkon.
Sound familiar?
I want to reintroduce the nazi yods, Nosovitskey, the Junges, Hauptmann's friends (Kloppelburgs et al) and as you say Hauptmann himself (of whom little is known).
Does anyone really believe that a serious felon would just come to the USA and be so awed that they would not commit crime anymore?
So a good starting point is the yods which Rick exclusively (as far as I know) noticed and introduced. Those Nazi Yods point directly to German influence in the crime and, duh, BRH was German. So was Anna and all of Richard's buddies.
So step in as you say you will Kevkon - you are a nice guy, and your opinions are worth a lot, and are not ignored.
I looked back on Nazi Yods though, and didn't see much opinion by anyone.
If we could find examples of Nosovitsky's handwriting or letters, or J.E. Hoover's or Kloppelburg's which used Nazi Yods - or Hitler's or Himmler or especially Goehring - WHAT A FIND!
And that's not out of the window - could very well yet be found!
So I'm trying to open doors - certainly not close them.
And that's just for Nazi Yods - next Hauptmann cash?
|
|
kevkon
Lt. Colonel
Posts: 2,800
|
Post by kevkon on Mar 31, 2010 16:44:23 GMT -5
I guess I'm missing the yod thing Jack. Are you referring to the Hebrew alphabet yod? I can't say that reminds me of the squiggles on the singnature. Perhaps you could show us what yods are in question. Personally, I think that if those squiggles must be attributed to something it would be runes.
|
|
jack7
Major
Der Führer
Posts: 1,920
|
Post by jack7 on Mar 31, 2010 17:30:55 GMT -5
No - you are missing the point - Jewish has nada to do - is Nazi Yods seen on all of the notes.
|
|