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Post by leeforman2 on Sept 4, 2019 22:59:08 GMT -5
More bizarre coincidences - so Samuel Garelick - an article of which appears directly below one on Fisch and the chauffeur kidnapping incident - is implicated with a chauffeur, Roy Gray.
I see that Michael includes Garelick in Dark Corners. Just thinking out loud - if Fisch is a more die hard criminal - and he is involved in the first kidnapping hoax of Elizabeth Morrow - is there a connection between Burke and / or Ellerson and Gray? Is Garelick the man in the photo with Fisch and Uhlig? Wish I could land a photo of Garelick - so far, no luck. Let's say that Fisch isn't simply an extortionist and fence man - but he has a taste for the kidnapping - and disguising his handwriting / forgery. Too much of a leap for him to be connected to other potential or past kidnappings? What's he got to lose? He's dying. Attachments:
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Post by leeforman2 on Sept 4, 2019 23:36:21 GMT -5
Full name Samuel W. Garelick - apparently there was an affidavit - has anyone ever seen it?
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Post by Michael on Sept 5, 2019 6:47:02 GMT -5
Full name Samuel W. Garelick - apparently there was an affidavit - has anyone ever seen it? It was taken on March 20, 1936. I used it as a source in V2 and its cited on page 331 at footnote 993.
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Post by leeforman2 on Sept 7, 2019 12:00:52 GMT -5
Thanks Michael - I'll be getting v2.
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Post by Former Attorney on Sept 17, 2019 12:54:59 GMT -5
Any claim that Hauptmann or any of his friends were Nazis is nonsense. I was, for a short time in the 70s, the attorney for August Klapprott, the former Vice Fuhrer of the German-American Bund. I asked him why the Bund had never tried to help their fellow German Hauptmann in any way. He responded that H was friendly with a host of Jews and in no way supported the goals of the Bund, that they did not want to waste their time on him. I have read independently that H was a Spartakist member in German, the S's were hard-left revolutionaries to which Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht belonged as well, they were anti-Nazi from the very beginning.
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Post by hurtelable on Sept 18, 2019 9:10:58 GMT -5
Any claim that Hauptmann or any of his friends were Nazis is nonsense. I was, for a short time in the 70s, the attorney for August Klapprott, the former Vice Fuhrer of the German-American Bund. I asked him why the Bund had never tried to help their fellow German Hauptmann in any way. He responded that H was friendly with a host of Jews and in no way supported the goals of the Bund, that they did not want to waste their time on him. I have read independently that H was a Spartakist member in German, the S's were hard-left revolutionaries to which Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht belonged as well, they were anti-Nazi from the very beginning. I have previously posted on these threads, perhaps several times, that Hauptmann's personal and business connections with Jewish friends and associates are just about iron-clad proof that he was NOT connected to the Nazi Party nor to pro-Nazi German-American groups. Your experience with Klapprott correlates with this notion. Separately, I have never heard of Hauptmann being a Spartacist (an extreme leftist/anarchist group in Germany c. 1920). If you have any evidence for this, please post.
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Post by Sue on Sept 18, 2019 17:44:20 GMT -5
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Post by hurtelable on Sept 21, 2019 8:21:02 GMT -5
Wouldn't consider the Moonies' newspaper to be a credible source. Their New York Tribune is probably not archived on microfilm nor on an electronic data base. Plus their no evidence that Hauptmann ever possessed any Spartacist (a form of communist) literature, nor participated in any pro-Communist meetings or demonstrations during his time in the United States.
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Post by Sue on Sept 21, 2019 11:34:22 GMT -5
The Moonies did not write the article. A professor of Soviet History, Albert L. Weeks, wrote the article that appeared in the New York Tribune. I believe Weeks is still alive at 96 years old. The National Enquirer has published articles about the Lindbergh kidnapping that posters still use to debate this case. I have heard it said that non-mainstream LKC articles have appeared in these places because mainstream newspapers were too afraid to publish them. "Charles Lindbergh Planned His Baby Son's Kidnapping -- He Didn't Want the Baby Because It was Malformed," National Enquirer, 12 Oct. 1976, p.71. www.nationalenquirer.com/true-crime/lindbergh-kidnapped-own-baby/
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Post by Joe on Sept 21, 2019 12:43:11 GMT -5
The Moonies did not write the article. A professor of Soviet History, Albert L. Weeks, wrote the article that appeared in the New York Tribune. I believe Weeks is still alive at 96 years old. The National Enquirer has published articles about the Lindbergh kidnapping that posters still use to debate this case. I have heard it said that non-mainstream LKC articles have appeared in these places because mainstream newspapers were too afraid to publish them. "Charles Lindbergh Planned His Baby Son's Kidnapping -- He Didn't Want the Baby Because It was Malformed," National Enquirer, 12 Oct. 1976, p.71. www.nationalenquirer.com/true-crime/lindbergh-kidnapped-own-baby/With that new NE article, it's hard to tell if it's more leading or misleading.
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Post by thestonesunturned on Nov 22, 2023 9:16:21 GMT -5
Any claim that Hauptmann or any of his friends were Nazis is nonsense. I was, for a short time in the 70s, the attorney for August Klapprott, the former Vice Fuhrer of the German-American Bund. I asked him why the Bund had never tried to help their fellow German Hauptmann in any way. He responded that H was friendly with a host of Jews and in no way supported the goals of the Bund, that they did not want to waste their time on him. I have read independently that H was a Spartakist member in German, the S's were hard-left revolutionaries to which Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht belonged as well, they were anti-Nazi from the very beginning. I have previously posted on these threads, perhaps several times, that Hauptmann's personal and business connections with Jewish friends and associates are just about iron-clad proof that he was NOT connected to the Nazi Party nor to pro-Nazi German-American groups. Your experience with Klapprott correlates with this notion. Separately, I have never heard of Hauptmann being a Spartacist (an extreme leftist/anarchist group in Germany c. 1920). If you have any evidence for this, please post. Well, Hermann Goering had Jewish friends. So, having Jewish friends does NOT rule Bruno out for being someone the Abwehr or Gestapo would try to blackmail into working for them. Whether he wanted to, or not. A surprising number of JEWISH German immigrants were blackmailed into working for them, since they had relatives still living in the Reich and occupied countries.
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