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Post by sue75 on Jul 7, 2007 21:46:42 GMT -5
Murray Garsson was blaming Lindbergh for the baby's death?
Where are the Murray Garrson reports? What prompted him to rush out to Hopewell 3 o'clock in the morning on March 22? He walked into the Hopewell residence with a huge bag that Anne took to be the body of the baby? Was that to scare her?
Where are the Murray Garrson reports? What did Gasson get out of his Betty Gow interview?
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Post by Michael on Jul 11, 2007 19:17:30 GMT -5
Some of Garrson's reports are in the original State Police collection. There are also some others in Keaton's personal files which were donated to the Archives by his family. There are a few in the Hoffman Collection, and mention (to include quotes) in some FBI files.
I believe Garrson felt it was an inside job. But then again, a lot of people felt there had been an inside connection to include Mrs. Morrow. I wonder who her candidate was? Even Lindbergh admitted as much to Agent Larmier.
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Post by Anon2009 on Jan 4, 2009 11:49:41 GMT -5
Murray Garsson was blaming Lindbergh for the baby's death? Where are the Murray Garrson reports? What prompted him to rush out to Hopewell 3 o'clock in the morning on March 22? He walked into the Hopewell residence with a huge bag that Anne took to be the body of the baby? Was that to scare her? Where are the Murray Garrson reports? What did Gasson get out of his Betty Gow interview? To MM--does anyone have the Garrson report claimed by some high official in wash dc to be "the most intellegent account of the kidnap to date"...if so couldnt it be posted on this Board? What was Garrson's motivation: illegal aliens? a timely topic. |
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Post by WWII on Jan 4, 2009 15:27:33 GMT -5
Murray Garrson was the kind of character an investigating committee likes to find. According to the F.B.I, he was once tied up in New York's brewery trade with gangsters Dutch Schultz and Owney Madden. He had twice gone through bankruptcy, had been arrested on charges ranging from disorderly conduct to grand larceny, but never served a sentence. Brother Henry Garrson had an impressive array of engineering degrees and a spotless record as an engineering consultant. But he had been indicted, tried and acquitted on a charge of pocketing a $5,000 bribe while working as an Internal Revenue agent.
When war came the Garrson boys were ready with a good scheme for quick-&-easy profits. With no assets except a borrowed letterhead they established the Erie Basin Metal Products Co. Then they grabbed a $3,000,000 contract from the Chemical Warfare Service to produce mortar shells, and went to town. .....[Time Magazine July 1946]
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Post by Michael on Jan 4, 2009 19:07:16 GMT -5
The Department of Labor was working the Immigration Angle of the case. That is, they were fully investigating those Illegals in the Hopewell Area. From the reports that I have they were attempting to use the illegal status for the dual purpose of enforcing the Immigration Laws and squeezing information out of those interviewed for anything relating to the Kidnapping.
I do have a Garrson file, but most of the information about him, specifically, is contained in multiple FBI Reports. For example, there might be a 15 page report concerning Betty Gow and on page 11 there appears a paragraph about Garrson. Most of the Immigration Inspector's reports appear to have been turned over to Lt. Keaton. However, there is evidence that as early as March 11th Hoover is asking Secretary Doak for his "Lindbergh File" and is being flatly refused access to it. Just as a reminder, it wasn't only Garrson working on this case for the Department of Labor. There were many Inspectors....
The quote you make sounds very familiar to me. I do remember a Western Union sent to Hoffman that might have contained such a quote but I will have to check. I can say however that I have never found a "Garrson" Lindbergh Kidnapping Investigation Report (per se) like one would expect to find. I will check in the near future to see what I have in my file and if I can locate the FBI Reports which specifically mention him.
I am not sure what this means.
If you look hard enough, you find problems with just about everyone involved with the exception of the FBI. If you take issues concerning Garrson mostly from his future, and apply them to whatever he finds/concludes during his Hopewell investigations, I would assume this same argument then exists to impeach creditability everywhere else.
If you do it doesn't leave one with much.
Many NJSP Investigators were implicated for taking bribes during the Hall-Mills Case. They later investigate the Lindbergh Kidnapping. Bornmann is disciplined for a serious infraction on one occasion, and yet again for another matter BEFORE the Lindbergh Kidnapping occurred. Does this mean we disregard all of his reports? Do we use this to show he framed Rail 16? Hoover has many complaints against many Investigators. He never says one bad thing that I could find about Garrson. Walsh, like Garrson, believed there was an inside connection. Williamson believed it too, as did Mulrooney.
Honestly the list goes on and on.
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Post by rick3 on Jan 5, 2009 1:47:36 GMT -5
Yes--Mark sent me a lengthy interview of Antonio Chowlewsky by Garrson and two other BOI agents. This included alot of questions about digging and burying on Antonio's property around the time of the kidnap?
2. Andrew Dutch (Hysteria) asks the following question: Why was Murray Garrson, a well-known and successful investigator of the Bureau of Immigration recalled to Washington after he had started to question members of the Hopewell household? p.155 [maybe Sec. Doaks was called by CAL?]
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Post by Michael on Jan 5, 2009 7:55:10 GMT -5
Looking at WWII's post again it reminds me of everyone attacking Hoffman's use of the various people he did during the re-investigation. For example, Lt. Robert W. Hick's, is a great investigator receiving high praise from H. H. Martin of the Mixed Claims Commission in his letter of appreciation in 1941 for all the years of excellent work. But during his investigation of the Lindbergh Kidnapping we're led to believe by those who want Hauptmann to be a Lone Wolf that Hick's is a "dunce." My point is you can't have it both ways. Sure, apply whatever you have and consider it, but you must consider it everywhere and apply it accordingly within its proper context. What in Garrson's interview with Red Johnson, for example, shows that he is either incapable or a criminal? Why when Hoover is attacking Schwarzkopf, Keaton, Lamb, etc. as dishonest, untruthful, and/or liars doesn't he attack Garrson in this way? As Rick points out, why does a reputable man such as Duch give Garrson this compliment in his book? At the end of Parker's career, disregarding whatever you believe the truth of the matter concerning Wendel actually was, does this invalidate the man's entire Law Enforcement Career? Does it mean he didn't solve all of those cases? I told Mr. McKinney that under the President's order all functions will be coordinated under this Bureau. Mr. McKinney asked if Mr. Murray Garsson would go back on the case and I informed him that would be according to whether Secretary Doak desired him to do so. [Hoover Memo For Mr. Nathan, May 16, 1932] |
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Post by rick3 on Jan 5, 2009 10:22:27 GMT -5
Michael, 3 things come to mind:
1. Murray Garrson must have gotten further along in his own investigation than we might have thought as evidenced by his long interview with Chowlewskey. Also, its not just chit-chat, but every word written down as questions and answers in a seemingly professional manner.
2. So how many persons did Murray and his team actually interview? All the servants? Wondering which interview got him recalled to Wash DC?? What about Charlie Shippell? I have not read the interview with Red Johnson, could you post that onto the Board if you have it? thanks
3. Very few persons in this life are all good or all evil. Lets just count how many US Senators, Reps and Governors are currently under criminal indictment or just resigned? Stevens/Blagoavitch/etc.etc.etc.
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Post by Michael on Jan 6, 2009 17:01:49 GMT -5
1. They did interview quite a few people. I have several statements and some NJSP Reports which indicate some investigations were made jointly. For example, Bornmann & Garsson were together on one endeavor. This point alone causes problems for "WWII" and his position he makes above.
2. Hard to say how many. I only could say what I have and could only hazard a guess about what I don't have. I am sure there was a ton given over to Sec. Doak. I filed a FOIA years ago which went unanswered. I do believe Garsson was interested in Betty Gow which was probably the reason for his being called in. That's all I can say without my paperwork in front of me. The Johnson interview is lengthy. Once I have it then it may be easier for me just to send it to you Rick.
3. I agree. Also, sometimes people change, or they take risks at certain times of their life they would never take at another time. Some are just bad. I don't think people realize that you had some Police Officers who actually had a record before becoming a Cop. Most of my research turns up Police having a degree of right and wrong within their minds at the time. Some would use their positions for gain... some moreso then others and some to varying degrees. There were some things they might do and other things they would not. Not all of course but I think you get the jist of my position.
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Post by rick3 on Jan 6, 2009 21:11:31 GMT -5
Michael: My take on these criticisms or libel against Murray Garrson were "quoted" from the cover of Time Magazine in 1946. Of course, alot of water had run under the bridge since 1932! It has always appeared somewhat odd to me that any person bold enough to question or challenge the 4 Colonels handling of the LKH ended up in some kind of big trouble: Gov. Hoffman dies under a cloud of economic misconduct/ Det. Ellis Parker dies in prison after a distinquished career in law enforcement/ so makeing a rat outta Murray Garsson is par for the course. I always wondered what was the fate of Al Dunlap and his three amazing articles: Who Bungled the Lindbergh Case?/ Was the Lindbergh Baby Really Found? and Why Diidnt CAL permit Lie Detecter Tests of the Servants? As the Most Famous Person in the World CAL was given free reign to run this Case any way he saw fit--and woe be unto him or her that crossed his path. You might even get shot!
2. It is a bit interesting that Red Johnson was exonerated and deported as an illegal alien--with a $50,000 bail? Largest in history....maybe Murray took an interest in Red's Passport? Violet Sharpes sister Edna left Englewood and NJ for London within 6 weeks of the kidnap under the radar. The Johanssons were from Hamburg. Betty Gow finished her days in Glasgow as a spinster, so there was no shortage of aliens for Murry to check up on? Even BRH turned out to be an illegal but Murray likely didnt get to interview him.
3. Yes I agree--mqny Politicians and Police were co-opted by the Mob during Prohibition....it was a just a sign of the hard times during the Great Depression.
4. Do you know what gave Murray the first clew that the kidnap was an "inside job"?
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Post by Michael on Jan 7, 2009 11:04:01 GMT -5
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Post by rick3 on Jan 8, 2009 4:25:02 GMT -5
Hi Michael...the Finn Henrik Johnson interview dated March 14th is a good find...sure hope you have the rest of the pages? This must have been one of Murrays earliest interviews because the Antonio Chowlewsky interview that Mark Falzini sent to me is dated March 30, 1932. This implies that Garsson was hard at his own investigation for at least two weeks? He could have interviewed many more during that time frame. If my memory serves me correctly, his late night venture into the Lindbergh Household was around March 22nd?
2. The Chowlewsky interview is long and drawn out lasting ten pages! The Hon. Murray W. Garsson does not seem to leave any stones unturned in his precise quesioning? Also present for the Interview at Bourogh Hall, Princeton Nj were: Trooper Louis Bornmann (hes everywhere?), Harry L. Tetlow and James Hoover from Dept Labor and Ervin F. Brown, Speicial Investigator. It appears from page one of Reds interview that it is only a Copy.. .leaving off who else was present?
3. Elmer L. Irey also addresses Garsson on pages 72-73 of The Tax Dodgers:
"Frank Bartow, of JP Morgan & Company, told CAL that the Dept of Labor was making certain investigations in connection with the case, and that a Murray Garsson, Special Assistant to the Secretary of Labor, had been in contact with Bartow. Garsson claimed he could solve the case in 48 hours? Lindbergh told him he was all for giving him that chance and phoned up Anne at 1am.
and told her to admit Garsson, Bartow, and one associate of Garsson. They arrived at 3am? "
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"Garsson demanded that all the servants be aroused and he interviewed every one. Betty Gow told him that twice CAL had
hidden the child and Garsson informed them that this must have been a rehersal for the kidnap. He capped the evening by taking Anne down the basement and he poked around in the furnace looking for the child's bones> At 7am he left behind 3 frantic women including Annes mother and Mrs. Breckenridge. Eventually (?), the White House instructed the Dept of Labor to withdraw Garsson, but not until he had made two more shattering visits to Highfields. I am proud to say (Irey talking) that I got Murray Garsson fired". (wonder what date Murray got the sack?)
4. Its astounding that CAL conceeded to let Garsson into Highfields and interview everyone when he wasnt home?
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Post by Michael on Jan 8, 2009 6:34:24 GMT -5
Tetlow and Brown were both part of Garsson's team of Investigators. I have a letter (somewhere) from Brown to Hoffman. I have the FBI report which references Garsson going through the furnace and having Anne walk upstairs in the Nursery to see if she could be heard downstairs. I believe this is in Lloyd's book too but I'll have to check.
Obviously this was insulting to Lindbergh. That's why everyone made such a big deal out of it. But secretly, every Cop on the premises had wanted to conduct that angle of investigation but knew it would mean their jobs.
Could you imagine if this crime happened today what kind of investigation would be made concerning its residents? Concerning the family? Are you kidding me?
You see, Lindbergh was pulling Schwarzkopf's strings. Whatever Lindbergh wanted Schwarzkopf did. Whenever Lindbergh was upset, things would change to his liking. It's why the FBI were pulled in the first place as well. He allowed what appeared to be prudent but had Schwarzkopf raise hell to pull the rug out from under things if it went somewhere he didn't want it to go.
According to one of Bornmann's reports, Garsson was withdrawn on April 1st.
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Post by rick3 on Jan 9, 2009 6:34:42 GMT -5
Michael--I just reread Garssons questioning of Bertha Chowlewsky. Murray doesnt mess around, he seems to have done his homework and wants to know specific information about specific incidents and persons:
Q. Did you buy the property from her? (Mrs Triplett)
A. Yes, the property where we live is from her.
Q What did you pay for it?
A. $7000, and she has the mortgage for the full amount of purchase price. $3000 is a mortgage w/ Mrs. Katani; I put in $4000 in that property, it is all in Skillman. When the window was taken out when the Lindbergh baby was supposed to be there.
Q. Who thought the Lindbergh baby was there?
A. There must be somebody up there when the window was taken out, because I knew it was locked up.
Q. This place you mention, how far is that from the Lindbergh estate?
A. I believe it is the fifth up from mine.
Q. How many miles would that be?
A. Around i quess about 4 miles (north); but acrossed it would only take about 20 minutes to walk from my place to the Lindbergh place.
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Q. Was there anything said with reference to the fact that therewere some forclosures pending against you?
A. Yes, there was.
Q. Did Mrs. Bush say that a good way to get your money would be to kidnap the Lindbergh baby?
A. No, she did not say that.
Q. Did Mrs Bush ever ask you to help kidnap the Lindbergh baby?
A. No.
Q. Did she ever make any such suggestion?
A. She knew it would be useless anyway.
Q. However, did she ever indicate by one way or another that she would like you to help?
A. Never said anything.
Q. Did Mrs Bush need money?
A. Maybe she did, I didnt know about that.
Q. When she said that the Lindbergh baby ought to be kidnapped, what prompted that remark?
A. We were speaking of property matters, thats all.
Q. Let me see what took place that day. As I understand it, you were talking about some foreclosures pending against you; then the conversation changed to children, and then Mrs. Bush said that the Lindbergh baby should be kidnapped?
A. I do not know what you are getting out of a case like this.
2. Do you have the remaining pages of the Red Johnson interview by Garsson et al? I cant wait to see Red start squirming under the surgical questioning of Murray et al???
3. My take on CAL is that although he had absolute control of the local bumpkins and the NJ STATE police thru Schwarzkopf he was fearful of the FEDS and the lines of inquiry they could open up outside of his sphere of influence.
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Post by Michael on Jan 10, 2009 9:32:08 GMT -5
I agree Rick.
Next time I am back to my scanner I will post the rest of the report. Garsson is an interesting angle that is also often overlooked. There is much to be learned here.
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Post by rick3 on Jan 10, 2009 12:28:26 GMT -5
thanks Michael--just a related thought.....it connects to CAL letting Murray Garsson et. al. come into his house like a hurricane at 1pm at nite. Somewhat odd or weird right off the bat?
First, its been bothering me how drastically or dramatically the Lindbergh family changed its, well, public persona or public access after the "kidnap"? Beforehand they were practically reclusive hermits, shieldiing themselves and Charlie Jr. from the public and the Press. But literally overnite, they turned their own home into a NJSP barracks and Press central. Like a wide-open door policy.--including nuts and crackpots? I dont think it was necessary to do this, unless CAL wanted minute by minute access to control every nuaince and developement in the developing case--at least initially? Isnt this an odd way to grieve the loss of your first son AND create an imposition on Anne, servants and extended family?
Second, although CAL wasnt home for Murray'midnite intrusion, at least not #1, it appears, that all the Lindbergh house guests and detectives and police were gone by March 22nd as well? Didnt CAL kick them out after a certain date?
(Who let the dogs out--woof, woof?)
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Post by kevkon on Jan 10, 2009 12:54:19 GMT -5
I'm sure that if CAL knew what a scumbag Garsson really was, he would probably have shot him thus saving the lives of American soldiers killed in WWII by Garsson's defective munitions.
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Post by Michael on Jan 10, 2009 14:09:18 GMT -5
That's kind of a double edged sword argument isn't it? I mean - the German Bund really believed that CAL's efforts, in support of Nazi Germany, benefited their cause greatly. So did "Wild" Bill Donovan who simply referred to CAL as "that Copperhead." Maybe, had the Police looked at them a little more carefully, Lindy's reputation would have been ruined before his support for Germany thereby limiting the amount of damage he did to the Allies. To quote Historian William O'Neill: "In promoting appeasement and military unpreparedness, Lindbergh damaged his country to a greater degree than any other private citizen in modern times." [a href=" "] [/a] |
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Post by kevkon on Jan 10, 2009 14:39:29 GMT -5
Not at all. Garsson is the lowest form of scum, the war profiteer. The man that lets soldiers die so that he may make some money. There is no ideology or principle involved, just simple greed.
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Post by Michael on Jan 10, 2009 14:58:24 GMT -5
I'm not defending Garsson in his role there, but in reality, I am a little more afraid of an ideology that convinces an entire country of people its ok to exterminate another group of people.
Like I said before, each and every Law Enforcement Officer followed their own "moral compass." For example, Garrett Schenck while complaining to an NJSP Officer that he had been Kidnapped was laughed at while the Officer sold diamonds (on duty) to the gas station attendant Guiness (informant).
Doesn't make it right, but these types of things, to varying degrees - happened all the time.
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Post by kevkon on Jan 10, 2009 16:57:56 GMT -5
Well, hindsight is 20/20. There's a long list of famous people who admired and endorsed the NASDP and Hitler.
Anyway, more relevant to this case and this thread is the fact that lots of vermin like Garsson were coming out of the woodwork as they tend to do when the opportunity presents itself. It's just important to keep these people and their actions in perspective in the same way we do (hopefully) with the yellow journalism.
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Post by Michael on Jan 11, 2009 9:54:01 GMT -5
I know what you are saying but I think the accusation should apply accordingly. What are you basing your dislike for Garsson on exactly? Is it his future misconduct, his investigative techniques, his reports, his Employer, or his possible theory?
If its the theory then I think we have to start calling some of those very close to the Investigation "vermin" as well. I think its also important to note that I have never seen Garsson quoted as saying what his theory was. The Investigations were done in with the NJSP's fullest knowledge and blessing. The Statements seem to be Professionally done and handed over to Lt. Keaton. They are also done, at times, teamed up with the NJSP. He was "recalled" on April 1st and apparently the Immigration Team ended its investigation at the time. In my opinion they did a good job while they were there and there is much to be learned from the reports that I have which originate from them.
Greed is rampant within the Lindbergh Kidnapping but I don't see any evidence of Garsson being "greedy" during this Investigation. Ideals, convictions, and beliefs are there too, and if one thinks quickly back to Loeb and Leopold - they can be deadly.
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Post by kevkon on Jan 11, 2009 10:39:54 GMT -5
The whole enchilada. This guy is just bad news. Look at his life and his cohorts. Birds of a feather really do flock together.
Only in the LKC do we find guys like this actually called a detective.
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Post by rick3 on Jan 12, 2009 18:32:13 GMT -5
Kevin...I am not so sure about Murray either ways yet:
Monday, Aug. 12, 1946
Murray Garsson's Suckers
"A Britain-born Brooklyn and Broadway character, Murray Garsson had been arrested half a dozen times for crimes ranging from plain robbery to evasion of corporation laws. His only conviction was for speeding (sentence suspended). He had been a pal of New York City's gang kingpins Dutch Schultz and Owney Madden, was suspected of being their partner in illicit breweries. The FBI had Garsson down as suspect of arranging protection for big-time bootleggers.
"A Jack-of-many-deals, he operated in real estate, films, aircraft promotion. Twice in nine years he put himself through the bankruptcy wringer for a loss to his creditors of more than $600,000. Yet he had been able to worm himself into Government jobs that opened up new fields for his operations.
"He had good friends among Hollywood's starmakers and he knew his way around Chicago's underworld and how to get in to see Al Capone.* Finally, he got on the good side of the chairman of the House Military Affairs Committee who could get him two major generals (Alden H. Waitt and William N. Porter) to gambol at his daughter's wedding party, could get Army-Navy "E" awards for his munitions plants, and could give and carry orders that Garsson's 27-year-old son, Joseph H. ("Bud") Garsson, was to be taken care of and protected in the Army. Along this shadowy trail Murray Garson had:
¶ Teamed with his late brother George 'also twice a bankrupt)* in a real estate leal that came under the scrutiny of a graft-hunting investigation in New York City. For $25,000 cash the Garssons got property that was soon condemned for park extension and bought by the city for $761,536.
¶ Got an appointment as a $1-a-year special assistant to Herbert Hoover's Secretary of Labor William N. Doak (after a few months it turned into a $9,000 job). His sponsor: ex-Congressman Samuel Dickstein, now a New York City judge. Garsson's chief interest: high-salaried alien cinema stars who might be proved to be in the country illegally. Among his interests: Gilbert Roland, Anna Sten, the Marquis Henri de la Falaise, Maureen O'Sullivan, John Farrow.
¶ Appointed himself an investigator of he Lindbergh kidnaping, working with two Brooklynites who, for a time, were Charles A. Lindbergh's emissaries to the underworld. {Dutch Schultz and Owney Madden]
[from Time Magazine Aug 26 1946]
Alot of the brighter cops like Ellis H. Parker and Al Dunlap head of the National Police Chiefs Union also thought about an inside job.
Lets read Murrays interviews and judge him on that alone. I can say from reading Red Johnsons interview that Murray seemed only interested in Reds illegal immigration status and axed him nothing at all about Charlie Jrs disapperance?
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Post by Michael on Jan 12, 2009 19:14:17 GMT -5
Sorry the Red Johnson interview wasn't what you expected Rick....
I do believe if something was developed from Garsson that his character should be considered. However, my position is to take it in the context of the situation and the like conduct by other Law Enforcement whose information contributes to one's own personal theories.
See my point?
If you consider something in one place then you must consider it elsewhere as well. Too often we dismiss what we don't like but accept what we do when the situation which develops the information is exactly the same. In other words we will point to character to impeach an Investigator's creditability when they develop something we don't like but ignore that issue when they bring to light something we like. By the same token, we ignore like conduct by a different Officer who develops information that bolsters our own personal theory.
It's my position this cannot be done. We can't have our cake and eat it too. If an argument applies in one place then if the exact same situation exist elsewhere then it must be applied there too and not just where we choose to invoke it.
That would be selective observation.
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Post by kevkon on Jan 12, 2009 22:54:53 GMT -5
Suit yourself Rick, personally I can see nothing redeeming about Garsson. The very thought of this sycophant playing detective is too much for me.
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Post by rick3 on Jan 13, 2009 9:14:07 GMT -5
(see below*) Kev--I thought that sycophant was reserved exclusively for Schwartzkopf? After all, according to Mark's new book, in 1936 Gov. Hoffman fired Schwartzkoph the first chance he got "for Bungling the Lindbergh case"? Their Fifteen Minutes p. 100. The Hon. Murray W. Garsson interviewed Henrik Red Johnson on March 14th at Police Headquaters in Newark, NJ. BUT...Lindbergh didnt interview Red until Sat. March 19th in Hopewell. Somehow Murray got to Red first? - "Lindbergh Interviews "Red" Johnson--Sailor Friend of Babys Nurse is taken to Hopewell--Considered Advisable for the Colonel to Personally Check Johnson's Story--Has Been Detained for Illegal Immigration--Police Activity in Foreign Countries Renewed--German Servants Give Satisfactory Explanation of Activity(?)--Dunkirk Evening Observer, Dunkirk NY Sat March 19 (Who were the German servants--Margarite Johannsen?)
- "Lindbergh Questions Sailor at Hopewell, Story Being Checked"--Johnson, Swedish Sailor adn Friend of Kidnapped Babys Nurse, Taken to LIndbergh Home for Interrogation; Schwartzkoph Admits Man Still Under Suspicion.--The Circleville Herald, Circleville Ohio, Sat march 15th 1932.
- Of course, CAL was not required to make a record of his many personal interviews by Schwartzkoph--CAL was more of a roque detective or bull in a china shop.
- Mark Falzini makes extensive use of Murray Garsson's interview* with Red Johnson, in Chapter One of his new book: Their Fifteen Minutes. A must for everyone interested in the LKC......and a great cover photo of the symbol-signature too.
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Post by kevkon on Jan 13, 2009 10:03:36 GMT -5
Sadly the norm in the LKC seems to be denigrating those who serve while elevating those who take. I wonder, is that a sign of our times ?
I don't really care to belabor the point. If in your best judgment you find this Garsson character worthy of credibility, then so be it. I'm not sure I see the value in such a choice, but I guess everyone has their reasons.
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Post by Michael on Jan 13, 2009 19:18:08 GMT -5
Prior to the Lindbergh Kidnapping Garsson was convicted in 1915 for disorderly conduct and received a suspended sentence. A little later he was caught speeding and received a suspended sentence. That's it. In Nov '31 Garsson was credited for smashing a plot by some 17 Lawyers, and Consular Employees for conspiracy to bring Illegal Aliens into the Country by illegally using their positions to do so. Garsson worked closely with USAG Medalie, who by anyone's standards was a first class Prosecutor, and handed down over 30 indictments based upon Garsson's investigations. Now in March '32 he is credited for solving a mail bomb plot. Later in 1935 Garsson was an Investigator for the Sabath Committee: Mr. Sirovich. I have received countless letters from constituents of mine, including many letters from bondholders all over New York City, commending the magnificent work of the distinguished gentleman and his committee, including his able, courageous, and brilliant director, Mr. Murray Garsson, former Assistant Secretary of Labor, but with the request that the gentleman be kind enough to come back to New York and clean up the unscrupulous bondholder rackets that are still flourishing in the city of New York. [79 Congressional Record - House, 12118 - 1935] Now I don't post this to undermine Kevin's point, only to show Garsson seems to have an ability for the "good" side of things prior to his "bribe" of May. And so I think you must take the good with the bad AND apply it accordingly. (May, by the way, was eventually pardoned by President Truman.) |
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Post by kevkon on Jan 13, 2009 20:42:15 GMT -5
"The Section 24 squad was directly responsible to the Secretary of Labor, reported directly to him and to nobody else. They did not report to the head of the immigration service at all. The man who was the head of this group was Murray Garsson. Murray Garsson was the man whom Lieutenant Newman had told me about in New York. He had told me that he was a criminal who had a very bad record and that he did not dare to come into New York personally because he would be arrested. He was a very bad egg and I should watch out for him. He said he was a crook and a very dangerous crook. He would take money out from under you and make it look as if you had done it. He was a very dangerous person Lieutenant Newman said."
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