kevkon
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Post by kevkon on May 28, 2006 10:29:41 GMT -5
Just curious, I try to look at events from different angles and points of view. One sticking point for me with this crime is I have a hard time believing that a first attempt at kidnapping would pick Lindbergh as a victim. I guess my feeling, though it may be wrong, is that criminals tend to work up to their "masterpiece". Regardless of your position on Hauptmann, what are some opinions on whether the Lindbergh kidnapping is a first try or the result of prior experience?
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Post by Michael on May 30, 2006 6:52:21 GMT -5
This is a difficult question no matter how you look at it.
On one hand we see signs of a group of amateurs yet on the other hand we see signs of professional criminals. As everyone knows, I have a strong belief in an "inside connection" and don't think this was a crime "hatched" by some disgruntled out of work Carpenter. Many of the Police believed there was a local element connected to the crime and I've often wondered if they meant inside the house or quite literally someone from the local community being involved - even after their extensive investigation which really didn't, as far as they were concerned - turn up anything.
I believe a group of people were "hired" for the job therefore, "they" may have been involved in criminal activities prior thereto although I believe the idea was to make sure these were people who would not talk or "give up" someone if caught or captured.
Now we do have the Police checking out other crimes which they thought may have been perpetrated by those involved. The Wall Street Bombing, the Yonkers Ladder Murders - just to name a few.
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Post by kevkon on May 30, 2006 9:30:08 GMT -5
I am not as convinced of inside help, at least with intent. But regardless; what are the elements you consider professional and what do you consider amateurish? Where there other unsolved kidnappings in the tri state region that have some resemblance to this crime, that you know of?
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Post by gary on May 30, 2006 17:57:36 GMT -5
Michael. I am following you well here. In order to test any merit of this angle what could the motive be ? Why would someone want the Lindbergh baby kidnapped? Financial gain ? The more numbers in involvement minimizes finacial gain doesn't it?. So therefore why? Could someone have set up these German immigrants to do the task and now let them or Hauptmann hang to dry. Allow them to collect the ransom since this was not the motive in the first place?
What would the chance be that someone like Means discover who might have been the originals only to be cast in doubt because at this point broke from those that were conducting the ransom on Lindbergh?
Don't mean to ramble on long shots but thinking of the extraordinary.
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Post by Michael on May 31, 2006 5:41:10 GMT -5
The motive?
Well I certainly don't think it was the $50,000 until after the fact. As for Means... it could be he was no where near anything to do with the case other then a scam. But in order to draw that conclusion I think there needs to be a good amount of effort in researching this angle. Means had been a "double-agent" working for the German government at one time so I don't think it impossible with all of his connections that he didn't know something or more.
Kevin,
Do you remember those cases I mentioned once before? If not I will find them and try to add to the list. I found one recently which I think had to do with Ellis Parker. It involved a dog, baby, and a nursery. I'll keep searching.
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Post by mjrichmond on May 31, 2006 6:42:30 GMT -5
Michael -
<<<I have a strong belief in an "inside connection">>>
I agree with you on this one. Any chance I can get you to say who, or at least why you think there was an inside connection?
Mjr
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Post by kevkon on May 31, 2006 7:41:59 GMT -5
Just curious, and I know this should probably go to a different thread, but why do you feel an inside connection was needed here? Also don't you think that the last thing "the inside connection" would want is for the crime to be committed under unusual circumstances? I mean this person is at ground zero and anything that points to an insider job is only making it hotter. Wouldn't that person wait for an opportunity when all is normal? Surely there will be plenty of those to come.
Back to this thread, I still just have the suspicion that this was not a first attempt at this type of crime. It could be that our kidnapper was astute and studied other kidnappings but it seems to me that there are certain precautions, such as the "singnature" that show first hand experience.
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