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Post by Sue on May 16, 2020 1:09:05 GMT -5
Hauptmann was also a visitor to Gerritsen Beach, a picturesque section of Brooklyn. The ONLY way to get to that beach is down Gerritsen Avenue to the waterfront.
Hauptmann and his company of friends visited the beaches of the other boroughs of New York City, not just the Bronx.
Gerritsen Beach was an ideal location for rumrunner activities because of its seclusion and access to the Brooklyn waterfront.
Spitale and Bitz ought to know; they were arrested on Gerritsen Beach with a cargo of liquor the summer before the Lindbergh kidnapping.
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Post by Sue on Aug 19, 2021 13:56:26 GMT -5
Samuel Raff was a prominent Paterson, New Jersey lawyer who made a comment in the Jewish Post that Hauptmann frequently visited Gerritsen Beach in Brooklyn.
That newspaper is the only place I've seen where someone said that Hauptmann frequented a Brooklyn beach.
"[Gerritsen] Beach was Bruno Hauptmann's favorite hang-out."
The Jewish Post January 10, 1935 Page 9
Also, on that page I've referenced above is a picture of Sam Raff with an article about the first issue of a publication called "The New Jersey Lawyer," of which Raff was the publisher and editor.
Perhaps one of the Lindbergh case lawyers contributed to this quarterly magazine?
I wonder what other interesting information about Hauptmann that lawyers may have been privy to that they just never revealed or that has been hidden in sources such as the Jewish Post?
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Post by Guest on Aug 20, 2021 15:36:36 GMT -5
Samuel Raff was a prominent Paterson, New Jersey lawyer who made a comment in the Jewish Post that Hauptmann frequently visited Gerritsen Beach in Brooklyn. That newspaper is the only place I've seen where someone said that Hauptmann frequented a Brooklyn beach. "[Gerritsen] Beach was Bruno Hauptmann's favorite hang-out." The Jewish Post January 10, 1935 Page 9 Also, on that page I've referenced above is a picture of Sam Raff with an article about the first issue of a publication called "The New Jersey Lawyer," of which Raff was the publisher and editor. Perhaps one of the Lindbergh case lawyers contributed to this quarterly magazine? I wonder what other interesting information about Hauptmann that lawyers may have been privy to that they just never revealed or that has been hidden in sources such as the Jewish Post? Looks like nothing but an attempt by this defense lawyer of crooks, Mr. Raff, to promote himself. Hauptmann never frequented this Brooklyn beach. Somebody would have seen him there and told about it. Hauptmann's soccer buddies were fellow Germans kicking the ball around with him at Hunters Island.
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Post by wolfman666 on Aug 21, 2021 18:50:28 GMT -5
You can't assume he wasn't at that beach guest
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Post by Guest on Aug 21, 2021 20:05:56 GMT -5
You can't assume he wasn't at that beach guest No, Steve, I can't. Can you think of a reason why he might have been there?
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Post by aaron on Aug 22, 2021 4:48:43 GMT -5
Why is this important for us to know? Is there some evidence that Hauptmann associated with bootleggers?
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Post by aaron on Aug 22, 2021 5:33:32 GMT -5
There may be some connection here. Perhaps it should be explored. Gerta Henckel's father Hermann Kirsten (sp?) was said to be involved in bootlegging. Fisch was close to the family, both having known each other in Leipzig. Fisch was also involved in business with Gerta's former piano teacher. Perhaps a board member has examined the possibility that Fisch and Hauptmann were involved with liquor traffic in some way esp. the smuggling of beer from the Canadians. Does anyone have any evidence or sources regarding this possibility? Could there be a connection with some NY or NJ gang?
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Post by wolfman666 on Aug 22, 2021 6:51:06 GMT -5
He might have been he was all over the place
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Post by aaron on Aug 22, 2021 8:38:10 GMT -5
In "The Case That Never Dies" there appears much detail concerning the relationship and business deals of Isidor Fisch and Hauptmann. A character referred only as "John the Bootlegger" was a friend of both of them. The three often went hunting in New Jersey, according to the author, and they were planning a trip to Maine, presumably for hunting purposes. No further information is furnished, but the name given as identification does suggest some connection with the liquor underworld. Who might "John the Bootlegger" be? Was there some business connection? This is the first comment I have seen that indicates Fisch was interested in hunting. Perhaps "hunting" was a front for some other purpose.
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Post by lurp173 on Aug 22, 2021 12:33:46 GMT -5
Aaron, If you didn't see it, you might want to read a post by Sue back in May concerning an article in the Baltiimore Evening Sun which details Hauptmann's Maine hunting trip with Carl Henkel and John Lister of N.J. You can find Sue's post under General Discussion, them scroll down to her thread titled "Hauptmann's Autumn 1932 Hunting Trip (Maine). She posted it on May 1st of this year. The below photo is from that Maine hunting trip. Hauptmann (on the extreme left) appears to be holding his Remington model 11 semi-automatic 12 gauge shotgun that I believe was seized from his house by NYPD during their search in September 1934 Attachment Deleted
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Post by aaron on Aug 22, 2021 12:52:22 GMT -5
Thanks so much, lurp. The source indicated that it was Fisch and Hauptmann who went hunting in Maine, but that must have been an error. Hauptmann's companion on the trip was Henkel, not Fisch. And John's full name was John Lister! That is most helpful. I'll try to find more information on this person. There must have been a reason he was called Bootlegger John.
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Post by Guest on Aug 22, 2021 22:38:54 GMT -5
He might have been he was all over the place But did anyone other than this lawyer place Hauptmann at that beach? It seems not. Have you thought of questioning this lawyer's motives for doing so, wolfman?
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Post by Sue on Aug 25, 2021 15:35:30 GMT -5
Forget Gerritsen Beach, Hauptmann visited OTHER Brooklyn beaches,too.
He may have made the rounds of all the beaches in the New York City boroughs.
That Ernest guy said he and Hauptmann went to swimming parties on Coney Island.
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