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Post by Michael on Dec 23, 2014 17:17:07 GMT -5
I wanted to post this Memo as an example into what was going on behind the scenes of the Hoffman Investigation (while Schwarzkopf was still in charge). This type of Memo was only ever intended to be read by Hoffman and his inner circle so it's a glimpse at the true situation as it really existed: Attachment Deleted
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Post by jack7 on Dec 23, 2014 20:45:42 GMT -5
Do you have these materials in originals like this - Telefax I think - or is that from the museum?
Regarding the bag, I read there was a grapefruit sized hole in it, so I've figured it was probably made by animals and it may have taken them a while to get into the bag, and that's why the body was in better shape than it might have been.
Wonder what happened to the bag - museum? - Anne and Charles wanted it back?
Sorry, no more jokes - serious stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 21:14:36 GMT -5
This is interesting. Who, exactly, is Collins? Do you know what Collins wanted to share with Hoffman about the burlap bag that was important to know?
It is shameful how evidence and reports were being deliberately withheld by Schwarzkopf. He is undermining both Gov. Hoffman's investigation and the Hauptmann defense team.
The Squibb report talks about other items that were recovered near where the corpse was found. I think some of them are important, yet none of this comes up at the trial. I guess they could not connect Hauptmann to any of it so it was of no use to Wilentz.
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Post by Michael on Dec 23, 2014 22:05:57 GMT -5
Do you have these materials in originals like this - Telefax I think - or is that from the museum? This is straight from the Hoffman Collection at the museum. I remember it coming from one of the (3) files marked "Schwarzkopf" in one of the 33 boxes. I don't have my Collection Index handy or I'd be able to tell you the exact box. Most of the Memos are typed out in this way. The hand written " File - Schwatzkopf" is in Hoffman's handwriting. Wonder what happened to the bag - museum? - Anne and Charles wanted it back? I saw the bag many years ago but to my knowledge it's still down there. This is interesting. Who, exactly, is Collins? Do you know what Collins wanted to share with Hoffman about the burlap bag that was important to know? My impression is that he's a Reporter. I don't think I have a follow up regarding any information directly passed to the Governor by him, however, since Kimberling replaced Schwarzkopf most of this material became known because his appointment gave him open and direct access to the files.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2016 19:23:53 GMT -5
I was reading Part 10 of Gov. Hoffman's Liberty series today. Hoffman says that on February 17, 1936 Col. Schwarzkopf wrote to J. Edgar Hoover requesting transcripts of the statements taken from Dr. Condon during the course of the Lindbergh investigation. Schwarzkopf received a reply from Assistant Director Harold Nathan of the Bureau who said that Dr. Condon had been interviewed by Bureau agents more than a hundred times and that the information obtained from Condon was scattered throughout the 90 volumes of files the Bureau had. Did Schwarzkopf ever receive anything on Condon from the Bureau? Was Schwarzkopf making this request of the FBI to aid Gov. Hoffman with his investigation or was Schwarzkopf asking for himself?
The Liberty article I read was written by Hoffman in 1938. Hoffman states that he recently requested permission to examine the FBI files and was denied! He also made a similar request to Police Commissioner Valentine of New York and was also denied access to New York Police files on Condon.
Is all this denial by the FBI and New York officials happening because of all the animosity that existed between the agencies during the original investigation of the Lindbergh kidnapping or is this just agencies refusing to cooperate with Gov. Hoffman's reinvestigation effort?
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Post by Michael on Apr 3, 2016 7:18:59 GMT -5
I was reading Part 10 of Gov. Hoffman's Liberty series today. Hoffman says that on February 17, 1936 Col. Schwarzkopf wrote to J. Edgar Hoover requesting transcripts of the statements taken from Dr. Condon during the course of the Lindbergh investigation. Schwarzkopf received a reply from Assistant Director Harold Nathan of the Bureau who said that Dr. Condon had been interviewed by Bureau agents more than a hundred times and that the information obtained from Condon was scattered throughout the 90 volumes of files the Bureau had. Did Schwarzkopf ever receive anything on Condon from the Bureau? Was Schwarzkopf making this request of the FBI to aid Gov. Hoffman with his investigation or was Schwarzkopf asking for himself? Schwarzkopf was officially ordered by the Governor to secure all related information. As a result, on February 1, 1936 Schwarzkopf wrote to both Hoover and Valentine. They both replied that they would cooperate. The letter Hoffman refers to in his Liberty article above is attached here (The problems referenced in this letter are sincere, and it exemplifies the enormity of the situation that any Researcher faces today): The Liberty article I read was written by Hoffman in 1938. Hoffman states that he recently requested permission to examine the FBI files and was denied! He also made a similar request to Police Commissioner Valentine of New York and was also denied access to New York Police files on Condon. Is all this denial by the FBI and New York officials happening because of all the animosity that existed between the agencies during the original investigation of the Lindbergh kidnapping or is this just agencies refusing to cooperate with Gov. Hoffman's reinvestigation effort? I think both have to do with many things. Parker's arrest was something neither NY nor the FBI wanted anything to do with - and that arrest was either directly or indirectly connected to this re-investigation. Next, the situation had turned into a civil war, and again, neither Agency wanted involvement in that. Further, they didn't trust the integrity of the review and didn't want their Agency put on blast if something was supposed to have been discovered within their files. Finally, during the active investigation, certain files were open to any NJSP Officer Schwarzkopf cared to send to Washington to review their files, however, it was also clear that access was limited to what the FBI wanted them to see. For example, Hoover's memos where he makes derogatory comments about the NJSP would never have been available for review. So the claim could always be made the files had in fact been open and shared previously.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2016 19:00:25 GMT -5
Schwarzkopf was officially ordered by the Governor to secure all related information. As a result, on February 1, 1936 Schwarzkopf wrote to both Hoover and Valentine. They both replied that they would cooperate. The letter Hoffman refers to in his Liberty article above is attached here (The problems referenced in this letter are sincere, and it exemplifies the enormity of the situation that any Researcher faces today) Thanks for posting the letter to Schwarzkopf! It surely does illustrate the challenge someone would face when using the FBI documents for research. How the heck did they ever put together profiles of the people involved if everything is scattered throughout the 90 volumes mentioned by Mr. Nathan? I guess a researcher would have to go page by page through each volume and then record volume number and page number for each document that mentions Condon. This messes my mind up just thinking about it! Joyce Milton used the FBI files in her book (Loss of Eden). She said that the FBI CALNAP files contain more than 300,000 pages. WOW!! It would take years to examine those files if you read every page. Getting back to the Schwarzkopf letter. Mr. Nathan says that he was sending a transcript of the phonograph recordings made of Dr. Condon's statements. Is this transcript part of the archive files? Did Schwarzkopf share this with Gov. Hoffman? I am asking because Hoffman says that the Department of Justice and the New York Police claim to have turned over all important statements to the NJSP. However, Gov. Hoffman says if that is true then "they have been removed from the files." Is he talking about different statements and not anything that the FBI shared?
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Post by Michael on Apr 4, 2016 17:22:13 GMT -5
Joyce Milton used the FBI files in her book (Loss of Eden). She said that the FBI CALNAP files contain more than 300,000 pages. WOW!! It would take years to examine those files if you read every page. That's just the "CALNAP" collection. There are Reports, Memos, and Letters containing information outside of that. Getting back to the Schwarzkopf letter. Mr. Nathan says that he was sending a transcript of the phonograph recordings made of Dr. Condon's statements. Is this transcript part of the archive files? Did Schwarzkopf share this with Gov. Hoffman? I am asking because Hoffman says that the Department of Justice and the New York Police claim to have turned over all important statements to the NJSP. However, Gov. Hoffman says if that is true then "they have been removed from the files." Is he talking about different statements and not anything that the FBI shared? Yes they were sent, and according to some of the confidential inter-communications I have he seemed to believe they had already been sent previously and concluded they must have been lost since but still told Tamm to get them copies. There's obviously material missing from NJ. There are many reasons which could account for this. What I think the Governor is saying is that he would be looking at an angle he knew the FBI was involved with but wouldn't see their report in the files dealing with it. He would expect one based upon the fact others existed is similar and like circumstances in other places.
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