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Post by stella7 on Dec 15, 2014 20:36:38 GMT -5
Thanks Hurtelable, I looked it up and it seems to be quite an extensive park. So Betty and Red weren't going to the Amusement Park but to someplace with a scenic view. Odd that they kept going back to where they got caught!
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Post by sherlock III on Jan 11, 2015 19:10:42 GMT -5
Is it true that BRH got stuck with all $14, 000 in gold certs? Or a random mix of bills? I have never seen this well defined......
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Post by sherlock III on Jan 11, 2015 19:16:34 GMT -5
I am pretty certain that some shirttail relative of Uncle Dinny Stroh, or of some other outlying personality in the case lived within one or two blocks of the Cemetary....someone maybe who knew Doc Nosovitsky and his prescription cream business.
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Post by hurtelable on Jan 12, 2015 20:33:30 GMT -5
There was no "Uncle Dinny Stroh." You are confusing "Uncle Dinny DOYLE" with Wally Stroh. Both were NYC prison inmates at about the same time. "Dinny" Doyle was related to "Jafsie" Condon.
You mentioned "Doc" Nosovitsky. Both Doyle and Stroh knew Nosovitsky from the Bronx. It turns out from other information that Nosovitsky was almost certainly was "J. J. Faulkner." If you read Noel Behn's book, you should know that Nosovitsky is most likely "Cemetery John" as well.
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Post by hurtelable on Jan 12, 2015 20:40:42 GMT -5
No, not all the $14,000 found on Hauptmann's property consisted of gold certificates. But ALL of the money found there was identified as Lindbergh ransom money by serial numbers. Incidentally, none of the $5 bills in the ransom money could have been gold certificates, from what I understand, because there were no gold certificates of $5 denomination in circulation at the time of the ransom payment.
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Post by hurtelable on May 7, 2016 9:02:32 GMT -5
From the "Boad Nelly" ransom note:
"you will find the Boad between Horseneck Beach and gay Head near Elizabeth Island."
I was taken back to that when watching a PBS documentary the other night about a famous Gay Head Lighthouse. So I checked out the geography, and found out that Gay Head (a point on the western coast of the island of Chappaquiddick, where the famous lighthouse was, and still is, located) and Horseneck Beach (on the south coast of the mainland of Massachusetts, near its border with Rhode Island) are indeed real places. About halfway between these two locations off the coast are a group of small islands called the Elizabeth Islands (note the plural).
So the note writer was pretty accurate with the geography of the area, which suggests that he had been in and around the coast of Massachusetts (a mariner of some sort) or had access to a map. He did, however, make the error of referring to "Elizabeth island." As far as I can tell, there is no one specific Elizabeth Island, and each of the islands in the group have their own names.
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Post by stella7 on May 7, 2016 22:35:28 GMT -5
I was just in Provincetown at the end of April and it was freezing and windy. keeping a baby on a boat up there in March and April seems really precarious and too exposed to the elements. It's cold, the seas are too rough and it's much windier out on the Cape.
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Post by Michael on May 8, 2016 7:45:22 GMT -5
So the note writer was pretty accurate with the geography of the area, which suggests that he had been in and around the coast of Massachusetts (a mariner of some sort) or had access to a map. He did, however, make the error of referring to "Elizabeth island." As far as I can tell, there is no one specific Elizabeth Island, and each of the islands in the group have their own names. This simple observation creates a real mess for anyone believing Hauptmann was a "Lone-Wolf." Let's say for a minute that he was the one who penned out that note... Where is this information coming from that he is writing? Not from him. Owning a canoe does not a Sailor make. Next, if he is being told what to write here, then it also assumes someone may also be providing him with information for the other notes as well. Attachment DeletedAttachment Deleted
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Post by stella7 on May 8, 2016 8:17:56 GMT -5
www.google.com/maps/place/Horseneck+Beach+State+Reservation/@41.5091001,-71.320176,10z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x36260acd459c12da!8m2!3d41.5091001!4d-71.0487794 There is a Horseneck Beach. The writer could just be looking at a map and not have knowledge of boating. I don't think anyone would risk boating in that area at that time of year. So I think it is someone who doesn't have as much boating experience.
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Post by Michael on May 8, 2016 8:48:11 GMT -5
There is a Horseneck Beach. The writer could just be looking at a map and not have knowledge of boating. I don't think anyone would risk boating in that area at that time of year. So I think it is someone who doesn't have as much boating experience. It's not on Martha's Vineyard. Browning is someone who's sailed these waters, so it seems to me that his lack of knowing where it was is quite telling and supports the point he's making. Also, a map clearly indicates the names of each of the Elizabeth Islands between Gay Head and Horseneck Beach. Attachment DeletedI'm not trying to change your mind, but consider other names and places associated with the crime. For example, no way does Hauptmann know the Faulkners lived in the Plymouth Apartments, or the Civil War hero C. Tihy. A pattern starts to emerge and, I believe, should be looked at more closely.
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Post by hurtelable on May 8, 2016 14:15:52 GMT -5
There is a Horseneck Beach. The writer could just be looking at a map and not have knowledge of boating. I don't think anyone would risk boating in that area at that time of year. So I think it is someone who doesn't have as much boating experience. It's not on Martha's Vineyard. Browning is someone who's sailed these waters, so it seems to me that his lack of knowing where it was is quite telling and supports the point he's making. Also, a map clearly indicates the names of each of the Elizabeth Islands between Gay Head and Horseneck Beach. I'm not trying to change your mind, but consider other names and places associated with the crime. For example, no way does Hauptmann know the Faulkners lived in the Plymouth Apartments, or the Civil War hero C. Tihy. A pattern starts to emerge and, I believe, should be looked at more closely. Interesting map you posted, Michael. I'd guess it might be from back in the 1930s, judging from the fonts used and all those notations in fountain pen writing. (Remember that the ball point pen wasn't invented until the 1940s.) Is that map from the NJSP files on the Lindbergh case? Although Browning states that Gay Head, at the western end of Martha's Vineyard, was unoccupied by humans, that couldn't exactly be true, because the lighthouse keeper had to live there. So he and friends who visited him may have been among the few knowledgeable of the local geography. BTW, despite the lack of population in Gay Head back then, a small town has since sprung up near the lighthouse, Aquinnah, which at the latest census had a population of 311.
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Post by stella7 on May 8, 2016 19:24:43 GMT -5
Michael, I am totally with you that there were other people involved in this, I just don't necessarily think it has to be a sailor type. If the notes were written by Hauptman, I believe they were dictated, or in conjunction with someone else. Horseneck Beach is on the mainland, east of the Rhode Island border. Perhaps my link didn't work. Do you think the baby was ever on a boat?
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 21:55:30 GMT -5
I want to also be on record as someone who believes that the notes were created with the help of someone else...someone who knew a lot about Charles and Anne and about what was going on with the investigation as it was unfolding. I think the Board Nelly note especially underscores this knowledge. Charles and Anne spent their honeymoon sailing through this coastal area stopping at various harbors on their way up to Maine. Lindbergh flew the Spirit of St. Louis along the coastline of Connecticut, Rhode Island and Massachusetts when he began his historic New York to Paris flight.
There is a pattern that emerges in all this just as Michael says, and it goes beyond what a carpenter in the Bronx would have had the ability to know on his own.
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Post by Michael on May 9, 2016 5:15:24 GMT -5
Michael, I am totally with you that there were other people involved in this, I just don't necessarily think it has to be a sailor type. If the notes were written by Hauptman, I believe they were dictated, or in conjunction with someone else. Horseneck Beach is on the mainland, east of the Rhode Island border. Perhaps my link didn't work. Do you think the baby was ever on a boat? I know where Horseneck Beach is... In fact, I've done so much research on it at one time (from the 1920s thru 1932) that I could have probably bored you to tears about what I knew. From memory it was a rum-running area, and in fact, after the Wall Street Bombing a "Russian Subject" was followed there. There's a main report that I have which I haven't been able to find yet, however, it goes into detail about the Lighthouse, and the Indian Tribe - it's an awesome report so hopefully I'll stumble onto it. Anyway, it's not so much that the child was actually ever out there, because we know he wasn't, it's about the mind who created this note. Browning's observations are important in my opinion because he's a guy who knows Martha's Vineyard and has sailed the usual boating patterns (in a yacht) near that Island. So I do believe whoever provided information for and/or wrote that note had been a Sailor or was familiar with sailing in the area mentioned. Of course this doesn't mean I'm right but it is what I believe. Interesting map you posted, Michael. I'd guess it might be from back in the 1930s, judging from the fonts used and all those notations in fountain pen writing. (Remember that the ball point pen wasn't invented until the 1940s.) Is that map from the NJSP files on the Lindbergh case? It must be. It was attached to a letter sent in 1932 concerning the case. (Good observation on the fountain pen).
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2016 7:59:47 GMT -5
Like has been said already, its not about whether the child was in the area pinpointed in the Boad Nelly note. Its the author's use of that area and their knowledge about it. When Charles and Anne set sail on their honeymoon they were all over the area mentioned in the Board Nelly, including the Elizabeth Islands. Some of the harbors Anne mentions they stopped at on their way northward are Block Island, Point Judith and Woods Hole.
This honeymoon sailing takes place during the end of May and early June 1929. The course they would be sailing was not posted in the newspapers. The Lindberghs weren't discovered by the press until their stop at Woods Hole. So, jumping ahead three years later (1932), how would Hauptmann know the significance of this area to the Lindberghs and mention it in detail in that ransom note if he is a Lone Wolf???
There is someone else involved here besides Hauptmann, someone who does know about this area and perhaps how it relates back to the Lindberghs.
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Post by stella7 on May 9, 2016 8:42:55 GMT -5
Right now, I think the baby was dead before he left the house, I'm not sure how he passed away. The only need to keep him on a boat would be so that he couldn't be found but I don't think that happened. Then is the person who authored the notes someone who has a vendetta against Charles and Anne?
But, I was also thinking stating that CJr. was onboard a boat, in that area, in those conditions might have looked suspicious to law enforcement.
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Post by stella7 on May 9, 2016 9:17:48 GMT -5
Michael, would you say from your research that Horseneck was not identified on maps and that it was an area known mostly by locals?
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Post by hurtelable on May 9, 2016 9:36:13 GMT -5
When we talk about the maritime background and experience and the possible vendetta against the Lindberghs that the "Boad Nelly" note creator may have had, the name of Jacob Nosovitsky pops into mind once again.
We don't know much about Noso's relationship to sailing, although a few little tidbits are presented in noel Behn's book. In the photo section, there is a "naval credential" in Noso's name issued c. 1919, which "may have been forged." Then we also know that Noso once met J. Edgar Hoover in New York harbor. which raises the possibility that Noso may have been piloting a naval vessel at the time.
As to a vendetta against Lindbergh, Behn raises the possibility that Noso had a grudge against Dwight Morrow Sr. and J.P. Morgan for, in Moso's view, stiffing Noso on payment for a previous spy mission in Mexico.
In general, though, Noso appears to have had an unusual high-IQ sinister mind which enabled him to acquire a wide variety of skills very useful in the world of espionage, which might translate into outright criminal activity. The point is that he can't be ruled out as a suspect in this discussion of the "Boad Nelly" note easily.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2016 10:31:06 GMT -5
It is a fact that we really don't know for certain where Charlie died and exactly how he died. A boat sounds like a great way to keep him hidden but there were reports coming in early during the case from people saying they heard a child crying on a boat. When you review just the ransom notes you will find that a boat is never mentioned in them until the Boad Nelly note. In the March 7 note to Breckinridge's office, the kidnappers say the child is 150 miles away and tell Lindbergh to have an airplane ready to retrieve the child. So, is the 150 miles based on a flight path? Where exactly is the starting point that this 150 miles away is based on? New Jersey or New York? The notes are being written in New York, right? Lindbergh is in New Jersey. Where does the ransom note author/writer figure Lindbergh would be leaving from to give him the 150 miles away location (nothing about north or south is mentioned) so early in the note exchange.
I am all about inside help with this kidnapping. Are Charles and Anne being targeted? I think it is something that should be a consideration when looking at this case, especially if you are not inclined to Lindbergh having anything to do with what happened to his son. It is also possible that the notes were authored/written so it would appear like the Lindberghs were targeted and victims of an outside job kidnapping by someone who had something against Charles and/or Anne. Otherwise, why write the Boad Nelly note the way they did? They could have referenced any number of places where the child could be found since the location was bogus and the writer knows it. Instead a more personal location is referenced. What does that say about the author/writer of this note?
Ultimately, I think consideration has to be given to the fact that the child's body is not found on a boat but is found 4 miles away from the Lindbergh home in Hopewell on May 12th. That is 40 days after the ransom is paid. Since there was an extensive water search going on for a boat both in the north because of the Boad Nelly note and then more southerly because of the Curtis/Norfolk angle, it would seem the last place anyone would want to be is on a boat with the Lindbergh baby, dead or alive. So where is this body all that time?
There are so many questions that need answers!!
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Post by stella7 on May 9, 2016 10:37:29 GMT -5
Amy, you are so right about that!
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2016 11:09:36 GMT -5
Amy, you are so right about that! I think there was a New England connection to this kidnapping. I like that you are looking at the Horseneck Beach area. Do you think Charlie could have been secreted away in this area? Hurtelable, You seem to know a lot about Nosovitsky so I will ask you this. Do you think that Noso and Isidor Fisch could have known each other? Could they have crossed paths through associations with any Jewish organizations in New York? Fisch belonged to several of them. Do you see any possibility in a Noso/Fisch connection in this case?
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Post by hurtelable on May 9, 2016 13:11:36 GMT -5
Basically, just about all I know about Nosovitsky comes from Behn's book and some other posts here. As I pointed out in my last post, not much could surprise me in terms of what Nosovitsky was capable of doing. Here, after all, was an Eastern European Jewish immigrant without any noteworthy professional or artistic talent of the sort that might make someone else a celebrity in American society, and without a heck of a lot of wealth, who was amazingly able to get himself to a point of hobnobbing with ruling class elites. But at the same time, he was active in a second "world," that occupied by a criminal class. To say the least, he was quite unusual in that respect.
Noso/Fisch connection? Don't know anything to substantiate that directly, but it has been suggested here that Noso may have been Cemetery John and that Fisch may have been his lookout. If that were the case, I would have no idea how they might have first met each other. There would have been perhaps two million Jews in NYC and environs at the time, and in general, German Jews and Eastern European Jews didn't socialize with each other much.
BTW, as I think has been posted before by a Condon relative, Noso could very well have known Condon by way of Condon's cousin, "Dinny" Doyle. Doyle had served prison time with Noso. Apparently, Condon and Noso knew each other well enough for Noso to have sued Condon around 1938 for libel regarding Condon's lectures in which Condon purportedly pointed out Noso as a suspect in the LKC.
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Post by Michael on May 9, 2016 18:56:16 GMT -5
Michael, would you say from your research that Horseneck was not identified on maps and that it was an area known mostly by locals? It's been years since that research honestly - maybe 12 or 13 even. I don't think, even if you asked me then, whether I could answer it responsibly. I believe one would have to have seen every map from that era and I don't think any Researcher could ever make that claim. While I do have a "Boad Nelly" folder, many of the reports I remember aren't in it. It was an isolated beach back then mostly used prior to the repeal of prohibition for rum-running. I will continue to search for those reports but again (imo) this wasn't a random selection of points made by a Bronx Carpenter playing "pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey" simply from looking at a random map. Gay Head and Horseneck Beach don't even need to be mentioned for it's purpose, yet, they are doing it in that way because it was a common practice among Mariners, Fishermen, and Rum-Runners to do so. In my mind it's one of the three.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 15:16:59 GMT -5
Thanks Hurtelable for your comments on Nosovitsky and Fisch. I think I read somewhere (maybe on this board) that Nosovitsky was hired by Evalyn Walsh McLean to do some investigating of the Lindbergh kidnapping for her. I wonder if this might have had something to do with Noso and Condon butting heads down the road. I think Michael made a good point about the Boad Nelly note and how the wording of the location of the boat is suggestive of Mariners, Fishermen, and Rum Runners. It reminded me about an article I had read about Rum Runners and this case. There was a rum runner who went to the authorities about a cruiser and a crying baby that he encountered shortly after the kidnapping. Here is that article: news.google.com/newspapers?id=Qf8hAAAAIBAJ&sjid=3NIEAAAAIBAJ&dq=anne%20lindbergh&pg=5722%2C2925036There is another article about a rum runner who told Maryland authorites that the Lindbergh baby would be found within 5 miles of the Hopewell estate. He gave this tip two days before William Allen found the body in the Mount Rose woods. I know that Schwarzkopf wanted to find this man to question him but I don't know if he was successful. I realize these are newspaper articles, but it still makes you wonder if there was a connection between the kidnapping and rum runners.
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Post by Michael on May 11, 2016 19:06:26 GMT -5
Michael, would you say from your research that Horseneck was not identified on maps and that it was an area known mostly by locals? Okay as promised I wanted to follow up with something I was able to stumble upon.... According to Special Agent Seykora Horseneck Beach was " indicated by name on most of the maps of the coast of Massachusetts on the mainland" and this observation is made because of his interview with Arthur Springer. Springer told Seykora that the Morrow's had a summer home on Martha's Vineyard in "East Chop" near Oaks Bluffs about 25 years ago, and that he himself has had a summer cottage near Oak Bluffs spending his summer vacations there with his wife. He also said that prior to this case he had never heard of Horseneck Beach. Springer also mentioned that the Lighthouse at Gay Head is a typical excursion point by many of the summer residents. He mentions the "small Indian Reservation" at Gay Head but it's not the specific information that I have been searching for. Further, just as Amy mentioned below, he says that Lindbergh and Anne cruised past Block Island and Martha's Vineyard enroute to North Haven, Maine during their honeymoon.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2016 16:39:31 GMT -5
Michael,
I didn't know that Arthur Springer had a summer cottage near Oak Bluffs. Didn't Mrs. Grimes-Graeme also vacation near Oak Bluffs with her sons? Did she own a property there also?
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Post by Michael on May 12, 2016 19:29:59 GMT -5
Michael, I didn't know that Arthur Springer had a summer cottage near Oak Bluffs. Didn't Mrs. Grimes-Graeme also vacation near Oak Bluffs with her sons? Did she own a property there also? On page 98 of the Summary Report it says that Mrs. Graeme's friend, Mrs. W. Lillian Chignault, had a summer place at Lagoon Heights on Martha's Vineyard which is near Oaks Bluff. It also says it is in the "unsettled" section and without lights or water and that both Mrs. Graeme and her two sons had visited this place on several occasions. During Springer's interview with Special Agent Seykora, without mentioning the friend's name, he verifies this scenario. Strangely, I have another source which also says the place is located on the "unsettled" part of the Island - however - that being located at the "lower end" closer to Gay Head. Since Oaks Bluff wasn't unsettled and Lagoon Heights is right next to it then it's a mystery to me what the true situation actually was.
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Post by stella7 on May 12, 2016 19:57:42 GMT -5
Thank-you Michael for posting your research into Horseneck Beach, and even though it is indicated on the maps, I'm tending to agree with you that the reference was of significance to the Lindberghs and not just a random location picked out of a hat by a German carpenter. I also agree with you that Hauptmann, who may have physically written the notes, did not author them. I don't think CALjr was ever on a boat and probably never the Hopewell area. Right now I like LJ's theory that he was at White Cloud Farm.
Funny, we drove to Chatham, MA one day to look for seals in the harbor and there were road signs everywhere which said "Highly Settled Area" so your post made me laugh.
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Post by mufti on Jan 28, 2018 16:01:06 GMT -5
Indeed, 20/20 hindsight is a wonderful thing, Michael, but it's of little help in solving the Lindbergh conundrum, and I do think that Lindbergh is the proverbial elephant in the living room in the LKC whatever role his role in it was. Ahlgren & Monier's thesis never fails to draw me in whenever I read or browse their book. I especially like their analysis of Lindbergh's post-Hauptmann execution behavior, with his visits to Germany, his views on race and, especially, genetics (as the field was defined as of seventy plus years ago); and his "warning" to American Jews in his famous Des Moines (sp?) speech, carried on national radio, which his family begged him not to deliver. Viewed symbolically, from more of a Jungian than Freudian perspective, he was essentially siding with the "tribe" of which the convicted murderer of his son was a member, clearly in conflict with and opposed to the actions and well being of the "tribe" of the man who successfully prosecuted the case against that man. A & M do more than their fair share armchair psychoanalyzing, but as I see it, WTF, so did Dudley Schonfeld and a lot of other people regarding the kidnapper prior to Hauptmann's arrest, and to Hauptmann after his arrest. Why should we back off from doing same to Lindbergh. He was known for his sadistic pranks, and he was known for his hiding his own son as a prank on his family and household staff. His "tough love" treatment of little Charlie has been well documented, to which should be added, in all fairness to Lindbergh, such behavior wasn't too far from the norm back in the day. What has all this to do with the title of this thread? I know I've gone far afield from it, but then again maybe not. How the ransom payment went down and, more to the point, why, is a question worth pondering. Could it be that Lindbergh, while on the surface paying a ransom to get his son safely retutned to his family was in fact paying for services rendered? Before laughing this off as yet another crackpot theory it's worth taking into account Lindbergh's second family in Germany, a fact, at the other end of the spectrum, and again, ask the question "why?". Charles Lindbergh was a man of enornous complexity and contradictions, and given his fondness for pulling the wool over people's eyes I don't think that the possibility that he was a player in the kidnapping of his son (whom he may well not have wanted killed, not consciously anyway) has to be taken into account. The wild card in all this is John Condon. My sense is that he foolishly stumbled into the case via his Bronx Home News piece, though he may have been tipped off, got wind of something being "up" in the Bronx that was Lindbergh kidnapping related. One of the biggest mistakes I see around here is viewing the past through extremely modern eyes. No one questions why the police give way, back then they probably would have for anyone unless there is very comelling evidence to suspect them instead. A man's home was his castle much less his children. The police back then were good at getting a confession and punishing people but had nowhere near the tools they do today. It seems to me that Lindbergh only cares about getting the kid back until he finds he is dead. If he had been alive then this would probably be the best possible way, if not then catching the bad guys will not bring the boy back so from that perspective it does make sense. Part of the problem is also so many weird things are going on it is very easy to ascribe any reaction or even lack or reaction to any of them to have some weighty meaning when it might have none at all.
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Post by Wayne on Jan 28, 2018 17:09:14 GMT -5
Hi Mufti,
You said: “It seems to me that Lindbergh only cares about getting the kid back until he finds he is dead.”
Interesting.
Here are some CAL facts, all supported by statements. Please explain how these show that CAL only cared about getting his son back:
1) The day after the kidnapping, CAL gave the NYT a photo of Charlie saying it was “taken about two weeks ago.” CAL lied. The photo was taken 8 months earlier! (CAL himself had taken the photo of his son on his first birthday back in June, 1931.)
2) CAL supplied erroneous and misleading info to the NJSP for the Missing Poster – the two photos were 6-months-old, the height was wrong (CAL was the one who gave this info) and the hair was wrong (not long and curly – Charlie had a hair cut two weeks prior to the kidnapping). He wants his son found and he gives them bad info for the Missing Poster?
3) Sixteen days after the kidnapping, on March 16, 1932, the kidnapper(s) mailed Charlie’s Dr. Denton sleeping suit to John Condon as proof they had the baby. Condon received the sleeping suit at his home in the Bronx around 10:00 in the morning. Condon let CAL (in Highfields) know he had tangible proof that he was dealing with the kidnap gang. So, for the first time in 16 days CAL has word of his son’s whereabouts. What does CAL do? He takes 15 1/2 hours to drive to Condon’s house and view his son’s sleeping suit. 15 1/2 hours!
(CAL could easily have had Breckinridge drive to suit from Condon’s house to Highfield’s in ~2 hours).
4) What did CAL do throughout the kidnapping? He continuously played practical jokes throughout the 72 days before his son was found dead. I have 20+ instances of these practical jokes that CAL played while looking for his son. Practical jokes. Looking for his son.
5) As Michael noted in his book, page 313, while on the boat looking for Charlie during the Curtis angle, the captain of the boat (Lackman) is quoted as saying that CAL had him set up a table on the aft deck, exclaiming he “was tired of hearing about the kidnapping to hell with same let’s play cards.”
Mufti, can you see John Walsh or Beth & Dave Holloway displaying any of these behavioral traits when they were/are looking for their child?
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