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Post by mkeaten on Jul 21, 2013 12:12:29 GMT -5
And all the European "Seeds Of Chucky Boy"?
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Post by bookrefuge on Jul 21, 2013 14:07:33 GMT -5
I see they actually have a new movie out this year called “Curse of Chucky.” This obviously refers to the fate of the countless people who have turned into raving lunatics trying to figure out the Lindbergh kidnapping.
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Post by mkeaten on Jul 21, 2013 14:55:43 GMT -5
Well, I've heard it said that when you die, all the secrets of the universe are made known to you. So, sooner or later......
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Post by Michael on Jul 21, 2013 16:11:50 GMT -5
I wonder who decided to "lay this matter over" - or maybe a better question would be why?
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Post by mkeaten on Jul 21, 2013 17:36:06 GMT -5
Wow Michael. That is quite a find. I didn't even realize they had polygraphs back then.
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Post by mkeaten on Jul 21, 2013 17:52:12 GMT -5
Oh. And do you have any ideal if this was ever revisited?
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Post by bookrefuge on Jul 22, 2013 0:06:20 GMT -5
Interesting also that Hauptmann ASKED to be given a polygraph test.
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Post by Michael on Jul 22, 2013 8:33:02 GMT -5
Oh. And do you have any ideal if this was ever revisited? Here's a copy of your Grandfather's report concerning the follow-up meeting: One of the key components placed at Schwarzkopf's feet as an example of "bungling" was the fact he did not use the Lie-Detector. Schwarzkopf took a beating over this fact. The problem is that he wanted to use it. However, Lindbergh would not allow it. I think the term he used was that he did not want to "embarrass" the Staff because he was sure they were not involved. (Yet, and this is always left unchallenged - he accepted Curtis's story which did involved an employee. And what about Sharp? So why say one thing then accept the exact opposite without having a change of heart concerning the lie detector?). There was always the argument that Lindbergh prevented these types of things to prevent the safe return of his son. As we can see by these dates above, it is still being rejected after his son is found murdered. Anyway, as a result, the Staff from both homes viewed Lindbergh as their "Protector." Ellerson, for example, mentioned how much respect they had for Lindy for standing up for them.
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Post by mkeaten on Jul 22, 2013 12:23:17 GMT -5
Which kinda goes back to Lindbergh controlled the investigation. And because of his choices, law enforcement took the heat. I remember Buster telling me about a meeting where all the higher ups were there, and they were ordered to play nice together. Share information, and Schwarzkopf took a beating there too. But at the end, Schwarzkopf told Buster to keep doing what he was doing.
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Post by bookrefuge on Jul 22, 2013 15:22:32 GMT -5
MK, question about this. Did Buster think it was STRICTLY Lindbergh who told Schwarzkopf to lay off? Or did he think any other powerful people might have influenced Schwarzkopf?
Also, did Buster ever say why he thought Schwarzkopf buckled? Did he just feel intimidated? Was he promised something in the way of a reward? Might he have even secretly received a Masonic command he felt he could not disobey?
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Post by mkeaten on Jul 22, 2013 17:03:00 GMT -5
All Buster really said about that was that Schwarzkopf liked the fame a little too much. When they got the lead on Hauptmann and was arrested, Schwarztkopf was full steam to get him convicted, and was pressured by the state. At the beginning, it was just Lindbergh who was giving the orders, which is why Schwarzkopf on more than one occasion defied Lindbergh behind his back.
And Buster was a Mason, and never mentioned anything remotely to do with it. But it was a nice ring. LOL!
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Post by Michael on Jul 25, 2013 17:40:05 GMT -5
Some excerpts concerning Buster from J. Edgar Hoover, June 1934 Memo: Mr. Sisk stated that Keaton certainly "has a chip on his shoulder," but that he feels we will be able to get along with him all right, although it may be necessary to "take a few punches in the nose" from time to time. Mr. Sisk stated that Keaton is very rough and insulting in his talk, and frequently makes statements such as "I am a very frank man," etc.; that he spent considerable time "damning" Lt. Finn, in fact has something to say against everybody who has worked on the case. I asked Mr. Sisk if Keaton had anything to say relative to lack of cooperation on our part, and he stated that Keaton indicated he would rather work with us then with the New York Police; that Lt. Finn and Captain Oliver were motivated solely by the desire to get the $25,000 reward which is offered by the State of New Jersey; that Finn and Oliver made arrests at different times without informing him until after they had talked to the suspects. Keaton said he knew our Department could not accept the reward, and that although there has been trouble between us, he feels that we would keep out word and he would trust us to an extent that he would not trust them, and that he would prefer to work with us provided we really worked with them. ..... Upon my inquiry, Mr. Sisk stated that Keaton had mentioned the conference which he and Colonel Schwarzkopf had with me; that they were both pleased with the results of the conference; and that Colonel Schwarzkopf said the Director was "very reasonable," and in general was very laudatory in his remarks. I told Mr. Sisk of the phone call received from the Colonel this morning, from which I gathered that everything was working out all right. Mr. Sisk remarked that Keaton has no diplomacy, but does possess a sense of humor. Mr. Sisk believes that Keaton's hostility toward the New York City Police is genuine.
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Post by mkeaten on Jul 25, 2013 17:52:50 GMT -5
Thanks Michael. Where do you find this stuff? Yes, my grandfather was very blunt, and had NO problem getting a point across. A sense of humor? Geez, whooda thought? But like I said before, at the end of the whole mess, he hated everybody, and sadly,I think that included himself as well. Thanks for the memo.
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Post by bookrefuge on Jul 26, 2013 12:56:03 GMT -5
MK, I have found an old film clip proving both Buster’s sense of humor AND his hostility towards the NYPD, whom he obviously considered incompetent. In this clip, he reenacts Hauptmann escaping from the NYPD, even making use of the famous kidnap ladder in doing so: www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhqUoi5cEGw
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Post by mkeaten on Jul 27, 2013 16:14:00 GMT -5
Thanks Book. I loved watching silent movies when I was a kid. Even more than cartoons. Buster Keaton and Charlie Chaplin were my favorites.
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Post by mkeaten on Jul 28, 2013 6:50:13 GMT -5
Hey all. I just recieved Buster's material from Mr. Falzini, and a couple of quick tidbits. Not nicknamed for the actor, it was because he liked to fight. That trait skipped my dad. In serving the cause, he was blown up, his car hit by a train, and many other fun things.
If I learn any more about the Lindbergh case, I will let you know,
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Post by bookrefuge on Jul 28, 2013 7:30:58 GMT -5
It sounds like Buster was not the kind of person to whom you’d’ want to say: “Your mother wore army boots. Now, I triple dog dare you to knock this chip off my shoulder.”
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Post by mkeaten on Jul 28, 2013 13:59:00 GMT -5
It's strange. I remember this thin whisp of a person that a good wind could knock over. I'm reading stuff like his knees were screwed up because his legs were so muscular. He broke tons of bones, mostly his own. Even on his tests to enter the state police, the psychologists stated he had a real bad problem with his attitude in general, and towards the police force as well. I never knew this man. LOL!
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Post by mkeaten on Aug 16, 2013 7:14:39 GMT -5
I just wanted to take this opportunity to thank everyone for the information about my grandfather. It meant the world to me.
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Post by Michael on Nov 13, 2013 9:43:26 GMT -5
This is another example of the "behind the scenes" in-fighting that was going on (which we can see extended beyond beyond the trial):
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