Joe
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Post by Joe on Feb 28, 2021 11:05:20 GMT -5
"it was almost impossible to get him (Charlie) to stand up straight in order to measure him." Charlie was clearly in the midst of the "terrible twos". Charlie just didn't want to stand up straight, not that he couldn't stand up straight. Yes, he was being difficult.
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Post by Michael on Feb 28, 2021 18:11:56 GMT -5
No, not really. It either was or wasn't the Lindbergh baby on Mount Rose Hill, right? So what really is your point? The further advancement of speculation, when the substantial proof is already there? One of the main reasons this case keeps waffling to and fro here, is the lack of a coherent plan to resolve it. It may sell discussion and books, but it serves little true purpose. Back when my Grandfather was still alive, he told me in no uncertain terms that the corpse was Lindbergh's child. Because of this, I started my research always believing that position. Despite this, I looked into the position to better understand "why" certain people held the opposing view. And I am glad I did. Because of that research I know more than anyone who has not. I'm going to give you a little story... I'm not sure if I mentioned it before but if so bear with me. I was sitting in history class, 7th grade I believe, when the teacher held up a paper with a the title "I Am The Lindbergh Baby," and one student asked if it was possible. My teacher at the time so "no" and claimed "these people are sick." Fast forward to when HRO was on the message boards. We engaged in conversation, debate, and shared research. He knew I believed he wasn't the child and still sent me material. He didn't seem "sick" to me, and in fact, I am glad to have had the opportunity that I did. In fact, I feel lucky. Aldinger too, despite the fact he was usually angry and very rough around the edges.
The bottom line is that there is no harm in hearing someone out. Understanding their position. Debating them on the merits in good faith. It's simply the right thing to do. Stifling someone because you disagree is a bad idea - for any reason. Let them discuss their position and the debate will yield a logical conclusion. Along the way, I believe, both sides will learn from it. There is nothing to be afraid of.
No issues there. It would seem though that many here attempt at pretty much all costs, to conclude that Charlie was scarcely able to stand on his own two feet, when that was clearly not the case. Ah, I see. So it appears you had an ulterior motive for the original comment. Yes, that is the source that has publicly been repeated many times in support of some kind of perceived physical affliction, which potentially would have had Lindbergh thinking about eliminating his son. A case of simple cause and effect logic and seeing what one wants to see, considering the child was somewhat spoiled and at the ideal age for tantrums with relative strangers. Don't like the idea that Lindbergh may have been involved? Here it is again. "Perceived?" Just the toes alone indicate a physical affliction. Doesn't Wayne's picture below prove that? Anyone think Lindbergh saw these toes and merely shrugged? LOL. And that doesn't even begin to address the other issues.
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Post by Guest on Feb 28, 2021 19:42:56 GMT -5
Amen, Michael: " There is nothing to be afraid of." Tell that to Aimee and other posters on this board who think their relatives are Lindbergh's offspring (we are now in the second and third generations). They are pathologically afraid of the truth that they are not related to the flier and therefore would never submit to a DNA test. They suffer from a sickness that needs to be addressed, not encouraged.
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Post by Michael on Feb 28, 2021 21:59:01 GMT -5
Amen, Michael: " There is nothing to be afraid of." Tell that to Aimee and other posters on this board who think their relatives are Lindbergh's offspring (we are now in the second and third generations). They are pathologically afraid of the truth that they are not related to the flier and therefore would never submit to a DNA test. They suffer from a sickness that needs to be addressed, not encouraged. I think you are being a little “harsh” don’t you think? I don’t recall Aimee ever being anything but friendly. Next, I’ve been around the block a few times and I’ll never believe that communication is a bad thing. Furthermore, if I started shutting down people because I did not agree with them there wouldn’t be anything left to discuss. This is place for open exchange of ideas and debate - so I’m not going to go around burning books and smashing records because that would defeat the purpose.
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Post by hurtelable on Mar 1, 2021 9:58:13 GMT -5
No wonder you are confused. Mitchell flubbed the terminology here, but it's fairly easy to ascertain what he really meant as confirmed by the photo(s) of the corpse: the second toe on the right foot overlapped the big toe. As I have been pointing out repeatedly for years on this board, Mitchell's description of the toe deformities differed materially from the toe deformities of the living Charlie described by Dr. Van Ingen in his letter to Grandma Morrow.
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Post by Guest on Mar 2, 2021 20:54:55 GMT -5
Amen, Michael: " There is nothing to be afraid of." Tell that to Aimee and other posters on this board who think their relatives are Lindbergh's offspring (we are now in the second and third generations). They are pathologically afraid of the truth that they are not related to the flier and therefore would never submit to a DNA test. They suffer from a sickness that needs to be addressed, not encouraged. I think you are being a little “harsh” don’t you think? I don’t recall Aimee ever being anything but friendly. Next, I’ve been around the block a few times and I’ll never believe that communication is a bad thing. Furthermore, if I started shutting down people because I did not agree with them there wouldn’t be anything left to discuss. This is place for open exchange of ideas and debate - so I’m not going to go around burning books and smashing records because that would defeat the purpose. Guilty as charged. I was way too harsh, for which I apologize. Being open-minded to being wrong should always be a two-way street.
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Aimee
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Post by Aimee on Aug 21, 2021 9:01:56 GMT -5
Hi Aimee, nice to see you here! Hi Everyone..I have only two thoughts today. Nothing has changed my mind as to the fact that everything, physically socially and geographically, has lead me to believe that my dad was the Lindbergh Baby. I need a computer from the Heavens to compulate and sort out all the true and real information. ...And I also need a Sketch Artist to analyze the photo of the baby to prove what he would look like as a adult. I am putting this out into the Universe so that it will happen.
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Post by Wayne on Aug 24, 2021 13:07:51 GMT -5
Hi Aimee, nice to see you here! Hi Everyone..I have only two thoughts today. Nothing has changed my mind as to the fact that everything, physically socially and geographically, has lead me to believe that my dad was the Lindbergh Baby. I need a computer from the Heavens to compulate and sort out all the true and real information. ...And I also need a Sketch Artist to analyze the photo of the baby to prove what he would look like as a adult. I am putting this out into the Universe so that it will happen. Hi Aimee, There is a fairly easy way to determine if your father was the Lindbergh baby. 1) Get your DNA tested. 2) Contact the German family and have their DNA records (done in 2003) compared to yours.
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Post by Guest on Aug 24, 2021 18:48:29 GMT -5
Hi Everyone..I have only two thoughts today. Nothing has changed my mind as to the fact that everything, physically socially and geographically, has lead me to believe that my dad was the Lindbergh Baby. I need a computer from the Heavens to compulate and sort out all the true and real information. ...And I also need a Sketch Artist to analyze the photo of the baby to prove what he would look like as a adult. I am putting this out into the Universe so that it will happen. Hi Aimee, There is a fairly easy way to determine if your father was the Lindbergh baby. 1) Get your DNA tested. 2) Contact the German family and have their DNA records (done in 2003) compared to yours. That's good advice for Aimee. Even if the German family refuses a comparison, 12.5% of Swedish DNA in Aimee's own profile would warrant a closer look. It seems the only one not wanting to look is Aimee herself. Why? Go for it, girl! You have nothing to lose.
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Post by jose on Jan 21, 2022 23:43:13 GMT -5
who all were Hauptman witnesses:1)Louis Kiss,2)august van Henke (wunstorf-Marhenke),3).Lou Harding 4)Sam Streppone 5)Peter Sommer 6)John Trendley (is there anymore?)Were 7 ransom Notes (1932?)Anne Morrow ask the nurse betty Gow to come Hopewell to take care of Chas Jr(?)ChasJr kidnap march1,1932(anne pregnant).?And Anne Lindberg son Jon Linbergh born aug16,1932.Lindberg haven't left Hopewell since June32 as went to Betty Morrow(anneMom) place?Anne &Chas Sr left air trip July10,1933 left baby Jon Lindberg with Betty/BettyGow(later BettyMorrow close summer house Maine).Sept19,1934 anne/chas Sr in Los Angelos visit Eliz sis?Hauptman trial start Jan1,35,anne court testimony jan3,1932 and Charles few days later?Did E.J.Reilly do good job?Is Hand-writing expert good (A.Osborn)?Ladder expert good( Arthur Koehler )?ladder admitted as evidence. January 23, 1935 Arthur Koehler, wood expert, testifies that a board used in ladder construction matches a hole made by a plank missing from Hauptmann’s attic?Condon aka jafsie_ address ph on wall in Hauptman apt?Money was in Hauptman garage?
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Aimee
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Post by Aimee on Jul 7, 2022 13:38:50 GMT -5
Getting my DNA did nothing. I even have my dad's DNA... but what is there to compare it to? The DNA of any Lindbergh Evidence is stored away and locked up. Isn't it from only males in a family for whom you can follow the DNA Gene Pool? Trying to locate the "German Family" is like trying to find a needle in a haystack. Don't you think that I have done or thought about of all of these things before? There is no delusions here... just the facts.
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Post by IloveDFW on Jul 7, 2022 16:21:12 GMT -5
Getting my DNA did nothing. I even have my dad's DNA... but what is there to compare it to? The DNA of any Lindbergh Evidence is stored away and locked up. Isn't it from only males in a family for whom you can follow the DNA Gene Pool? Trying to locate the "German Family" is like trying to find a needle in a haystack. Don't you think that I have done or thought about of all of these things before? There is no delusions here... just the facts. Hi Aimee! Have no idea of the cost, but LE is using DNA with genealogy to create profiles of families. They could tell you for sure and you wouldn't need any Lindbergh DNA. It has been on many true crime shows when they have suspect DNA but no matches in CODIS. I can't remember the term for it though. Best wishes.
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Post by Michael on Jul 8, 2022 7:59:14 GMT -5
Hi Aimee! Have no idea of the cost, but LE is using DNA with genealogy to create profiles of families. They could tell you for sure and you wouldn't need any Lindbergh DNA. It has been on many true crime shows when they have suspect DNA but no matches in CODIS. I can't remember the term for it though. Best wishes. It's called "Forensic Genetic Genealogy." What they do is search the public DNA databases, find a relative, then trace the entire family tree back to the most likely prospects. After that, its a process of elimination. The Expert whose name comes to mind is CeCe Moore. I've seen her on several different shows explain it and solve cold cases this way.
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Post by IloveDFW on Jul 9, 2022 8:59:06 GMT -5
Hi Aimee! Have no idea of the cost, but LE is using DNA with genealogy to create profiles of families. They could tell you for sure and you wouldn't need any Lindbergh DNA. It has been on many true crime shows when they have suspect DNA but no matches in CODIS. I can't remember the term for it though. Best wishes. It's called "Forensic Genetic Genealogy." What they do is search the public DNA databases, find a relative, then trace the entire family tree back to the most likely prospects. After that, its a process of elimination. The Expert whose name comes to mind is CeCe Moore. I've seen her on several different shows explain it and solve cold cases this way. Thanks Michael!
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Post by Wayne on Jul 9, 2022 13:43:11 GMT -5
Hi Aimee! Have no idea of the cost, but LE is using DNA with genealogy to create profiles of families. They could tell you for sure and you wouldn't need any Lindbergh DNA. It has been on many true crime shows when they have suspect DNA but no matches in CODIS. I can't remember the term for it though. Best wishes. It's called "Forensic Genetic Genealogy." What they do is search the public DNA databases, find a relative, then trace the entire family tree back to the most likely prospects. After that, its a process of elimination. The Expert whose name comes to mind is CeCe Moore. I've seen her on several different shows explain it and solve cold cases this way. Aimee, Michael is correct. CeCe Moore is one of the best. She works with a company I've worked with over the years called Parabon Nanolabs. You can call them at 703-689-9689 ext. 251 and request a complete genealogical tree based solely on your DNA. It will show you your grandfathers and great-grandfathers. Piece of cake. parabon-nanolabs.com/
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Post by Wayne on Jul 9, 2022 17:41:39 GMT -5
I meant to add that both Michael and ILoveDFW are correct.
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Aimee
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Post by Aimee on Feb 12, 2023 17:18:22 GMT -5
Finally, someone gave me information that could possibly help me in my quest! Thank you so much. I haven't posted here in a long time. For those of you who know me... you know deep in my soul that I believe that my Dad was the actual baby. There are too many physical features, concurrent timelines, photos and all the Players lineup. Players not known to the general public. I know that it will take courage and patience to prove my theory. I'll hang in there.. again.
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Post by Doris Marsilii on Mar 3, 2023 22:20:42 GMT -5
How about Violet knew what Charles had really done, which was to arrange a kidnapping in order to secretly put Charlie in a remote facility for "feeble-minded" children (because his mind could not abide the possibility of that which he feared--------- that Charlie was not perfect. Either she was guilt ridden about that deception she had to live with and perpetrate, OR, Charles had threatened her if she did not testify to the lie.
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Post by Michael on Mar 4, 2023 21:03:46 GMT -5
How about Violet knew what Charles had really done, which was to arrange a kidnapping in order to secretly put Charlie in a remote facility for "feeble-minded" children (because his mind could not abide the possibility of that which he feared--------- that Charlie was not perfect. Either she was guilt ridden about that deception she had to live with and perpetrate, OR, Charles had threatened her if she did not testify to the lie. Hi Doris. Believe it or not, yours is a theory I've heard from time to time over the years. In my last chapter in V4, I tried to address Violet Sharp the best I could. One of the things I mention was the possibility of Sharp being murdered. The Sharp angle fascinates me. She seemed normal but when the child was brought up that's when she acted funny. Many point to the rough treatment by police, but honestly, she brought that on herself. Next, she was in the hospital away from all of that, seemed fine, but once she heard the baby was found dead defied doctor's orders and went immediately into the hornets nest. This also defied Mrs. Morrow who wanted her to stay in the hospital because there was so much turmoil going on at the house because of it. So while I always like to inject other possibilities for anyone's actions, the trigger seems to be the child. I also think a lot of it had to do with Banks, so there's the combination of the two to also consider. His actions after she killed herself, if she did indeed kill herself, indicate to me that he blamed himself for her death. I know there's a lot of different ideas so I'm glad you brought this up because it's not a topic that gets discussed very often for some reason.
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