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Post by Michael on Oct 2, 2007 15:45:59 GMT -5
I think I've gotten a little closer to the origins of the Fisch/Wendel connection. I'll keep going to see what else might assist before I post on it.....
Hi Joe. You must read the next sentence along with the first. What has been portrayed is that Bleefeld would tell Wendel what to write and Wendel would as a result of physical torture. This isn't true. Wendel was not physically tortured and what's in those "confessions" was a product of his mind and not Bleefeld's.
Wendel was picked up and detained by people who believed they had the authority to do so. Wendel was a wanted criminal with multiple outstanding warrants in the State of NJ which is why he was in NY in the first place.
Estey's thought that a woman may have been the depositor is documented and important but I have no idea where Turrou gets these details and its not in any report. Unless he got it later on during a personal conversation or an earlier investigation to which there is no report. I don't like writing things off but in this case I have no choice at the moment.
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Post by Joe on Oct 2, 2007 19:57:26 GMT -5
OK, point taken about who conjured up the story; I know details of Wendel's personal life were woven in. But that's still a pretty liberal interpretation of the scenario when you say Wendel "willingly" wrote out the confession. And we know Parker monitored the progress and requested certain changes so you can add him as co-author. I think that to say Wendel wasn't physically and mentally abused is turning your head the other way, reminiscent of the way Cornel Plebani explains that Hauptmann "did show signs of wear and was not treated like a nun" when he attempts to address the severe beating that actually took place. Despite my aversion to the guy, I have to give Wendel credit for having the savvy to outwit Parker and his lieutenants.
Wendel was accosted on the street by deputized thugs with toy badges and guns posing as NY police who said they were taking him to see James DeLouie at headquarters - their first criminal offense in this saga. If they believed they had the authority to apprehend Wendel they would have realized there was no need to resort to this kind of deception. That Wendel was living in NY and wanted in NJ was completely out of Parker's jurisdiction, so you can't even broach this as reasonable cause.
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Post by Michael on Oct 3, 2007 5:16:58 GMT -5
It was more then that. In a conversation with John Reisinger some time ago he remarked how the civil complaint against Gov. Hoffman included a lot of the same stuff that was in his confession....and he's absolutely right.
Think about this for a minute.
We do? At what point? Why isn't the confession exactly as Parker wanted it to be then? Why is Wendel's confession made at New Lisbon still lacking? Why does Parker take down his repudiation AND make everyone aware of that too?
You see, you simply cannot rely on testimony by Bleefeld, Schlossman, and Weiss after they were offered immunity. If they were telling the truth why then do their stories differ from Wendel's? Bleefeld testified he met with Ellis Jr. the very day Ellis Jr. was in Court during the Sugarman Trial. In order to neutralize this, the Prosecution tried to undermine and ruin the creditability of the Court officials there by insinuating they were lying.
The alternative is to accept what Wendel said as absolute truth. Here's a man who was going to swear out complaints against Wilentz because, according to him, Wilentz promised him if he testified against the Parkers he would not be prosecuted under those open charges. Also, his testimony & statements vary considerably.
An argument could be made that Wendel was mentally abused. But from all of my research the only time he was ever struck was when Weiss hit him after he had been bragging about "emasculating" the Lindbergh child. I don't know about you but someone bragging about that point doesn't appear to be in fear of much.
Outwit? In what way? This is a guy who exploits every angle of any situation in order to try and come out on top. He was crazy... If you remember he even tried to swindle Capone. What sane person would ever do such a thing? There's nothing savvy about the guy.
Its hard to know exactly what the true situation was. Either they were deputized and believed it or Bleefeld was behind this. It appears to me that both Weiss and Schlossman were good guys doing what they thought was the right thing.
Whether you believe Bleefeld or Parker was behind this from the beginning.... the common ground seems to be distrust for any other Agencies because of the Politics of the situation. The idea was to get the confession before people who wouldn't want anyone but Hauptmann involved to stop it from happening. It wasn't kidnapping at that point, and frankly it wasn't even after they brought him to Parker. This Federal Case was pure politics and the law was never meant to be prosecuted for a case like this one.
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Post by Joe on Oct 3, 2007 9:43:59 GMT -5
I'm not sure but I think you're claiming Wendel could only have repeated some of the detail to Gov. Hoffman if he was actually involved in the kidnapping. I'm much more inclined to believe that over the course of three and a half years from the time of the kidnapping and having been conscripted by Parker for his investigation, his confession in part is based on an outline of how he believed the crime actually took place.
He did? According to Reisinger, Parker transcribed Wendel's surrealistic confession but not the repudiation. In an overall sense, the confession could not have helped but lack credibility because Wendel had nothing to do with the crime. And if it was lacking, then why would Parker have reacted so posivitively when it was delivered to him? The confession was not the only thing lacking; all was not well with Ellis Parker by this point. Remember, he sent this ridiculous document out to members of the Board of Pardons.
Ellis Parker contended that Paul Wendel was involved in some kind of mid life crisis which compelled him to do what he thought he had done. I think he also made similar comments about Dr. Condon, (at the age of 72?) although I personally see Condon as never having really changed much throughout life. Ellis Parker was talking as much about himself here, seeing his opportunity to cap his career with a crowing touch by solving the Lindbergh case. When he was denied a major role in the case and access to credible information and clues and saw his opportunity slipping away, his gameplan became erratic and ended with the Wendel fiasco. I'm sure ten years earlier he would have had the sense to cut his losses and be supportive of efforts to apprehend a suspect instead of publicly flexing his ego and trashing the NJSP. And if Wendel was as insane as you imply and really did conjure up all of this nonsense on his own, then what does that say about Parker's willingness to hang his career on it?
Knowing much more than I do about Parker and what was in store for him and Hoffman if he succeeded, you must be aware there was much more behind this than pure altruism.
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Post by Michael on Oct 3, 2007 19:02:47 GMT -5
My point is that a forced confession doesn't include information like this. This proves it came from Wendel only. Wendel wrote multiple confessions none of which were the versions that Parker believed were the actual situation.
Yes. Anne Bading took down the repudiation on Feb 26, 1936 and gave it to Parker. Parker turned this information over as well.
Wendel's confession to Parker came at New Lisbon on Feb 25th. His previous confessions took place before he asked to be taken to Parker.....one being on Feb 22nd.
Parker sincerely believed Wendel was involved. He also knew the confessions couldn't be 100% true and tried to impress this upon Wendel. What you say about Parker's health is absolutely true, however, he would never resort to torture.
I disagree with this. He was asked to look into this case by Gov. Moore. I have all of his personal memos and he expresses no anger about any such thing. Quite the contrary.
His thrashing was legit and he wasn't the only one who did this. I am convinced that had he been in charge with all the evidence and the resources this case would have been fully solved.
Joe, you say this without seeing all there is to see on the subject.
Parker was truly looking for the truth. He was much too old and in poor health to be looking for anything other then that.
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Post by Michael on Oct 5, 2007 7:53:57 GMT -5
There was so much nonsense going on from all sides. Its so hard as a Researcher to determine what the true and actual situation was... My reason for ignoring said communication of Mr. Goldstein, is that my suspicions that he was not properly representing me were confirmed after the aforesaid conversation with him at his home wherein he suggested to me that I falsely testify Wendel was taken to New Jersey by Murry Bleefeld and me by force, against his will, so that Federal authorities could indict Parker and Governor Hoffman and the so called higher ups. It seemed clear to me in so advising me, he is serving other interests than mine. (From Harry Weiss's deposition 7-24-36)
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Post by Michael on Oct 6, 2007 8:00:35 GMT -5
New Warrant:
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Post by Michael on Oct 8, 2007 17:26:41 GMT -5
Welcome back Mairi! Parker always knew the NJSP were in charge and never sought to step on their toes. After he was invited into the case by Gov. Moore - part of his response to him included this: You can see by this very excerpt he was asking his name be kept out of it and not the other way around. By the time Hoffman stepped in Parker would be in charge (so to speak) and had access to everything the Governor had access to at the time.
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