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Post by romeo12 on Oct 17, 2014 6:36:20 GMT -5
stella,its not far from the town
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Post by stella7 on Oct 17, 2014 6:54:41 GMT -5
OK, this is a really cute cape cod that was For Sale By Owner last year. I know where to look now.http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/155-Hopewell-Princeton-Rd-Hopewell-NJ-08525/59860847_zpid/
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 8:47:58 GMT -5
OK, this is a really cute cape cod that was For Sale By Owner last year. I know where to look now.http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/155-Hopewell-Princeton-Rd-Hopewell-NJ-08525/59860847_zpid/ Charlie was found close to the creek. I wonder how you access the 155 Hopewell Princeton Rd house area. That v-road looks like it deadends around 141 Hopewell Princeton Road just past the creek. www.zillow.com/homes/141-Hopewell-Princeton-Road,-Hopewell-NJ_rb/
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 10:27:49 GMT -5
When looking at the 1930 aerial overlay of this part of Hopewell-Princeton Road it appears that Glenmore Road went all the way from the v part to Crusher Rd. Schippel could have accessed his house from Crusher Road as well. Two ways in and two ways out. Interesting.
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Post by stella7 on Oct 17, 2014 14:43:23 GMT -5
155 Princeton Ave was not built until 1948, so I assume that there was no house there at the time of the kidnapping. It has a driveway from Princeton Ave.
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Post by stella7 on Oct 17, 2014 16:03:07 GMT -5
Yes Hurtleable, there seems to be a German link to this crime, especially if you include the german song and inscription on the Mersman Table.
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Post by hurtelable on Oct 18, 2014 1:17:04 GMT -5
The Mersman table! There is a whole different thread on this board for that subject.
Seems as if the NJSP never looked into it, after they received the table in 1947, letting the case rest on the highly dubious judgment of the Flemington jury in 1935 that Hauptmann did the kidnapping, murder, and ransom extortion all by himself. But as far as I can see, there could be something to be gained by carefully analyzing the handwriting on that Mersman table and determining who may have been the writer.
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Post by rebekah on Oct 18, 2014 13:33:12 GMT -5
Thanks to all for the information and maps. I must admit that I'm confused. It looks like the Schippel place was 8 or so miles from the Lindbergh house. Is that correct? Seems like it's not near the location where the baby was found, but, like I said, I'm a little confused. The Mersman table is one of those "coincidences" that makes it look connected in a suspicious way, at least to me. What are the odds that the holes in the notes line up exactly, even if some of them appear larger? My mother had a table that I believe may have been manufactured by this company. It's long lost now (probably disposed of when they bought new furniture in the '60s). I remember the feet. I always thought that her furniture was made in Grand Rapids, MI., but I could be wrong. Thanks again, Amy and Stella. I'm busy reading through the pages of this particular thread, and I have four books coming from 2 libraries. I can renew twice. I'll have to, for sure.
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Post by hurtelable on Oct 18, 2014 16:13:50 GMT -5
FYI, Mersman seems to have had only one manufacturing plant, and it was in Celina, Ohio, not in Michigan. They operated for over 100 years, starting in the 1870s and closing in 1995. From what I've seen, they made exclusively tables, no other kinds of furniture.
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Post by rebekah on Oct 19, 2014 13:43:33 GMT -5
FYI, Mersman seems to have had only one manufacturing plant, and it was in Celina, Ohio, not in Michigan. They operated for over 100 years, starting in the 1870s and closing in 1995. From what I've seen, they made exclusively tables, no other kinds of furniture. I understand. The table I'm thinking of was round and tiered (2) with three "legs" that curved and rested on the feet. It was one of my favorite pieces, and I wish I'd asked her for it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 19:19:23 GMT -5
Michael,
Who is Alfred M. Grizzle? He is listed on Hauptmann's employment card as a reference when he applied for work at the Majestic Apartments?
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Post by romeo12 on Oct 25, 2014 7:02:44 GMT -5
amy, sorry to jump in, I have his interview with the police Hauptman once worked for him
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Post by Michael on Oct 25, 2014 8:14:02 GMT -5
Who is Alfred M. Grizzle? He is listed on Hauptmann's employment card as a reference when he applied for work at the Majestic Apartments? Attachment Deleted
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Post by romeo12 on Oct 25, 2014 8:59:17 GMT -5
mike do you have his interview with the police? I will send it if you don't have it
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Post by Michael on Oct 25, 2014 9:09:23 GMT -5
mike do you have his interview with the police? I will send it if you don't have it I've got it but thanks Steve.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 9:40:03 GMT -5
amy, sorry to jump in, I have his interview with the police Hauptman once worked for him No need to apologize! I am always interested in what you have to say and share. I know that you have a long history of studying this case and I certainly respect that. Is the police report you have different from the one Michael posted? Would it be the one that was done in the District Attorney's office on Sept. 21st? Does Grizzle mention anything about Hauptmann's skills as a carpenter?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 9:51:14 GMT -5
So, Michael, that is an interesting report you posted. Did LE ever ask Grizzle what number he used to get a hold of Hauptmann during the summer of 1932? Grizzle says he called him up yet Hauptmann had no home phone in 1932.
Fritz Brandt - Did the police ever find out anything about this guy? Was Hauptmann asked about him?
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Post by romeo12 on Oct 25, 2014 10:06:59 GMT -5
amy, let me dig it out today I will tell you. its differnt then michaels
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Post by romeo12 on Oct 25, 2014 10:23:02 GMT -5
ok amy, this interview was nov 5 1934, at the district attorneys office in the presence of district attorney breslin, officer Albrecht njsp, det Wallace ny police. doe not mention his work skills. he said he called Hauptman in may of 1932 for work and Hauptman told him he had a job, but in November a coworker told grizzle that Hauptman isn't working and that he said to him he has a scheme in the stock market that cant be beaten.
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Post by Michael on Oct 25, 2014 12:34:49 GMT -5
Does Grizzle mention anything about Hauptmann's skills as a carpenter? Q [Breslin]: How is he a pretty good mechanic?
A [Grizzle]: He is a first class mechanic. That is why I kept him to do the finishing work.
So, Michael, that is an interesting report you posted. Did LE ever ask Grizzle what number he used to get a hold of Hauptmann during the summer of 1932? Grizzle says he called him up yet Hauptmann had no home phone in 1932. Q: Where did you call him?
A: He has three or four different telephone numbers listed in my book and I don't remember where it was 205th Street address or Needham Avenue, it was one of these telephones. *I believe I read in the Reports somewhere he gave out a neighbors phone number if someone needed to contact him. Fritz Brandt - Did the police ever find out anything about this guy? Was Hauptmann asked about him? Yes they interviewed him. They met each other in 1927 while working for Grizzle as Carpenters.
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Post by romeo12 on Oct 25, 2014 17:05:50 GMT -5
it clearly shows Hauptman was a liar
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 8:56:04 GMT -5
ok amy, this interview was nov 5 1934, at the district attorneys office in the presence of district attorney breslin, officer Albrecht njsp, det Wallace ny police. doe not mention his work skills. he said he called Hauptman in may of 1932 for work and Hauptman told him he had a job, but in November a coworker told grizzle that Hauptman isn't working and that he said to him he has a scheme in the stock market that cant be beaten. Thanks for checking for me, Steve. Turning down real work opportunities at a time when work was so hard to come by must have caused a lot of talk among Hauptmann's acquaintances. Apparently his story of having a system of investing that can't be beaten must have been believed by his circle of friends. He no longer needed to work and Anna was able to eventually leave her job and stay at home also. More proof that this image he was creating of being a smart investor/businessman must be true. So why does he continue to live in the same apartment, drive the same car and make Anna account for every penny she spends, if he has so much money?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 9:32:41 GMT -5
Thanks, Michael for sharing those quotes.
Grizzle was impressed with Hauptmann's skills. Hauptmann knew and understood the importance of making something right. So why, if Hauptmann was the builder of the kidnap ladder, would he do just the opposite and build a ladder that showed a much lesser skill level and make it with crating type wood that would be risky to use for a weight bearing job as huge as the kidnapping of the most popular baby in the world? A kidnapping that has been planned for a year according to the ransom notes, yet this is the kind of ladder that all that planning produces? Something just doesn't add up here!
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Post by romeo12 on Oct 26, 2014 10:28:21 GMT -5
Hauptman worked for grizzle before in 1929 and 30. the ladder was used for one purpose only. he made it to fit in his car with three pieces to go do the crime. the ladder was very doable.
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Post by stella7 on Oct 26, 2014 13:29:37 GMT -5
Photo: Historical Society of Princeton
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Post by romeo12 on Oct 26, 2014 17:00:00 GMT -5
what photo stella?
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Post by stella7 on Oct 26, 2014 17:19:51 GMT -5
Steve, I keep trying to post a pictureof the Balt, from it's last days in 1963. I'll keep trying.
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Post by stella7 on Oct 26, 2014 18:02:39 GMT -5
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Post by Michael on Nov 5, 2014 19:26:42 GMT -5
Who is William B. Dennis? He claims to have seen Hauptmann in Hopewell NJ March 1. I recognize the name but couldn't find the Report because I didn't create a file on him - but I do have something he's mentioned in somewhere among my material.... If my memory serves me, he was one of the multitude of people who's recalled seeing Hauptmann after his picture appeared in the papers. I've seen a ton of these types of situations after his arrest. What usually happened was they backed off their claim as "unsure", or could not swear by it, or were deemed a poor witness by the Police. In light of the Witnesses they did use then that's quite telling.
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