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Post by Michael on Jun 15, 2011 6:01:37 GMT -5
Dr. Schoenfeld's Doctor's Bag, complete with medical instruments etc, is for sale on e-bay and the listing closes on June 16. "THIS IS SUPPOSEDLY THE SAME DOCTOR'S BAG THAT WAS USED IN DIAGNOSING RICHARD HAUPTMANN" !!! The ebay item # is 260796973988 and the bid is currently at $100.
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Post by kevkon on Jun 15, 2011 8:05:51 GMT -5
Problem is that there is no real provenance supplied. Without that or some type of personal identification, all you have there is an antique medical kit. It's too bad that they couldn't go further with the link about the friend of the grandfather as that may have yielded something concrete.
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Post by kevkon on Jun 15, 2011 16:21:35 GMT -5
"Dear kevkon,
my grandfather worked for Gov Hoffman's office at the time , his friend was a reporter with liberty magazine named H. L. Mencken. so if this helps any let us no. our great aunt is trying to remember all this so things are sketchy were surprised she can remember anything."
Of course, Mencken was much more than a reporter and I believe there are more than a few connections between him and CAL. I don't know about Shoenfeld, though it seems given the views held by Mencken that it would be a stretch. Also, why would the Dr. give up his kit while he was still practicing?
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Post by xjd on Jun 9, 2015 21:06:54 GMT -5
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Post by Michael on Jun 11, 2015 19:45:15 GMT -5
not sure if this link will copy correctly, but a signed copy of Dr. Schoenfeld's book for $100. ooh, i am so tempted. Thanks for the link. This type of stuff is really tempting! It would be a great addition to any LKC - that's for sure. Continuing on the topic of Dr. Shoenfeld, Leigh Matteson claimed to Gov. Hoffman that Lt. Finn had promised they'd be able to interview any perpetrator that was caught in the future. However, Matteson would say once Hauptmann was captured it never happened because Authorities knew they both believed whoever committed the crime was insane, and their involvement would have ruined the opportunity to get a conviction and eventual execution. So while Matteson claimed Hauptmann was a "Lone-Wolf," he was complaining along with everyone else that the Prosecution didn't want the truth - only a conviction. Certainly a different way of getting "there" but it's the same place nevertheless.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 21:12:56 GMT -5
Continuing on the topic of Dr. Shoenfeld, Leigh Matteson claimed to Gov. Hoffman that Lt. Finn had promised they'd be able to interview any perpetrator that was caught in the future. However, Matteson would say once Hauptmann was captured it never happened because Authorities knew they both believed whoever committed the crime was insane, and their involvement would have ruined the opportunity to get a conviction and eventual execution. So while Matteson claimed Hauptmann was a "Lone-Wolf," he was complaining along with everyone else that the Prosecution didn't want the truth - only a conviction. Certainly a different way of getting "there" but it's the same place nevertheless. I had read in Lloyd's book what you mention about Shoenfeld and Matteson never getting to interview with Hauptmann. You mention how a finding of insanity would have ruined the prosecution's goal of executing Hauptmann. Do you know if Fawcett had a plan to have Hauptmann plead insanity? Is this why Anna let Fawcett go?
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Post by Michael on Jun 12, 2015 21:33:25 GMT -5
I had read in Lloyd's book what you mention about Shoenfeld and Matteson never getting to interview with Hauptmann. You mention how a finding of insanity would have ruined the prosecution's goal of executing Hauptmann. Do you know if Fawcett had a plan to have Hauptmann plead insanity? Is this why Anna let Fawcett go? The short answer is: "no," and "no." The long answer must include a lengthy response: I have never seen any evidence he ever planned to do so. Having said that, I do not have the bulk of Fawcett's collection. I have some, but what was being sold on Ebay back in '01 I do not have. Now if you turn to page 195 in Lloyd's book, you'll see what he's written there based on a NYT article which I have. That's the closest thing I have ever seen to even suggest the possibility. But it was typical Fawcett, and it's how he answered these types of questions. He was also a typical Lawyer, that is, he explored all possibilities which could present themselves to him. For example, he had several meetings with Wilentz in which he discussed many things. One such item was what he could get for Hauptmann if it happened to be true he was guilty and willing to confess. Wilentz told him a Life Sentence but only if he named his accomplices as well. Now any Author could exploit this to mean he felt Hauptmann was guilty, therefore, trying to get a deal for his Client. See what I am saying? What I've seen is Fisher, mainly in Ghosts, asserting that Fawcett was " contemplating an insanity plea..." ( see page 158). To back this up, he incorrectly asserts that Fawcett had arranged for (5) Alienists to examine Hauptmann. What really happened was after the spoon was supposedly found, there was an agreement between Foley and Fawcett that Hauptmann should be evaluated. As a result, Dr. Goodhart and Dr. Hoffman represented Foley, Dr. Connelly, and Dr. Spradley represented New Jersey, and Fawcett hired Dr. Huddleson to represent the Defense. Surprisingly, Fisher did get it right that all (5) concluded Hauptmann was sane.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2015 13:34:50 GMT -5
But it was typical Fawcett, and it's how he answered these types of questions. He was also a typical Lawyer, that is, he explored all possibilities which could present themselves to him. For example, he had several meetings with Wilentz in which he discussed many things. One such item was what he could get for Hauptmann if it happened to be true he was guilty and willing to confess. Wilentz told him a Life Sentence but only if he named his accomplices as well. Now any Author could exploit this to mean he felt Hauptmann was guilty, therefore, trying to get a deal for his Client. See what I am saying? I think I see what you are sayng. I actually think it was good lawyering on Fawcett's part to explore all the options for his client, especially in this case. Lets face it, Hauptmann was never walking away from this an innocent man unless Lindbergh, himself, carried Charlie into that courtroom alive and well saying it was all a misunderstanding. So was this whole psychiatric examination based on the finding of the segmented spoon in Hauptmann's cell which was being publicized as a possible suicide attempt instead of a prison escape plan? Or was there some wishful thinking going on that if Hauptmann were judged insane there would be no need for a criminal trial?
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Post by Michael on Jun 14, 2015 21:21:45 GMT -5
So was this whole psychiatric examination based on the finding of the segmented spoon in Hauptmann's cell which was being publicized as a possible suicide attempt instead of a prison escape plan? Or was there some wishful thinking going on that if Hauptmann were judged insane there would be no need for a criminal trial? The timing seems to indicate this event was the impetus. However, there's no way I can say with 100% certainty since my sources are limited when it comes to Fawcett. By announcing he was going to have Hauptmann evaluated on the heels of this event, it seems almost as though he's looking for a reaction to this - almost like he's "fishing" for what happen next as a result. It's all guess-work without his material though....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2015 14:06:49 GMT -5
About that spoon being found in Hauptmann's cell. It was said that the spoon was a part of his cutlery for breakfast that morning. A guard had given him his breakfast tray at 7:45. A half an hour later the guard took the tray away. A check of utensils showed that a large pewter spoon was missing. A couple of questions: When was the missing spoon noticed? Was it right after the breakfast tray was returned to the kitchen or was it later that day or evening or even the next day? How well was Hauptmann being watched in that cell that he was able to break the spoon apart and actually sharpen one of the edges? I believe that pewter is a soft metal but it still takes time to do this. Here is a link to a newspaper picture of that spoon: news.google.com/newspapers?id=K7VRAAAAIBAJ&sjid=K2kDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5269%2C1990658
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Post by Michael on Jun 15, 2015 15:20:17 GMT -5
When was the missing spoon noticed? Was it right after the breakfast tray was returned to the kitchen or was it later that day or evening or even the next day? How well was Hauptmann being watched in that cell that he was able to break the spoon apart and actually sharpen one of the edges? I believe that pewter is a soft metal but it still takes time to do this. 1. 7:45AM was 15 minutes before breakfast. According to everything I've read about this event, it was noticed soon after breakfast once the items were removed at 8:30AM. 2. My guess is that he was checked in on randomly and at specific intervals. Certainly after this event he had a pair of eyes on him at all times. The spoon was described as "larger" then a normal spoon but "thin." For someone who knows what they are doing 45 minutes is enough time to do what he did - and more. Remember, this wasn't his first time in and it's amazing what skills people can develop in situations where they need (or want) something they do not have.
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