kevkon
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Post by kevkon on Mar 10, 2007 14:59:05 GMT -5
Hi Gary. What if the "report into work" and the kidnapping were related?
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Post by rita on Mar 10, 2007 21:37:36 GMT -5
there are also so many disappearing features in this case that add even to the already suspicious lack of interest by investigators to examine the basic story. Missing fingerprints, Schipple's hidden green sedan, Pig Lady story, and to top it off Anne's reference to an accident and family hiding DNA evidence , can we believe any of the story, or were neighbors trying to help Lindbergh in some kind of difficulty?
All this and much more, the one month introduction to CJ extortion make the whole kidnap story seem a feeble attempt at a cover for something other than kidnap happening?
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Post by Michael on Mar 11, 2007 19:55:41 GMT -5
Wayne Jone's source for this is apparently Scaduto. Scaduto's source is Bleefeld. Of course Bleefeld was definitely in a position to know, claiming to have obtained this information from Wendel after he was picked up in NY. The problem is this: do we believe him? I have been searching for this connection in Hoffman, Parker, Green, and Fisher's paper for years and haven't found even a remote reference. It's hard for me to believe this didn't come out in the course of one trial or another but I haven't found it there either. Now I don't have every single page of transcripts but believe me when I say I am close. I just picked up the Appeal last week. For me the jury is still out but it doesn't look good.... Wendel was in cahoots with criminals and I have been running them down. As I mentioned before, a good example was his involvement in counterfeiting and by a stroke of luck when his partner in that criminal escapade was arrested he didn't rat him out - so he took the fall solo. Kind of like what Hauptmann did. To say that Jones, Bleefeld, and Green were on the fringes of the Lindbergh case would be to exaggerate the degree of their involvement (Fisher TGOH p95) I have never understood the point Fisher was trying to make when he wrote this in his book. Saying Bleefeld was on the fringe of the case is no exaggeration, and to insinuate this as if to say he wouldn't be 'in the know' concerning the Wendel/Fisch connection is itself an exaggeration. Arthur Jones of course had no involvement other then to have been in the right place at the right time. Still he was there and had the opportunity to hear what he would later claim to have (or something similar). Green was by no means on the fringe - he much was closer then that. Everything the Governor had he would have had access to. So what Fisher says here, by including Harry Green, is a very ignorant statement made by someone who simply hasn't done enough research. What's even worse is that he writes this book to bash people for doing exactly what he himself does. Take his theory concerning Hauptmann being the Lone-Wolf. His only "evidence" concerning the footprints at Hopewell is, once again, a lack of thorough research and Alan Hynd's article in the True Detective Mysteries Magazine. Are you kidding me?
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Post by rita on Mar 11, 2007 20:18:01 GMT -5
Unlike most everyone else I don't believe there was a kidnap, and even the FBI-BOI kept there distance, going over even the ladder construction they didn't believe was either used or capable of the act. Governor Hoffmann didn't believe the story either, and had even an affidavit from Ellerson claiming that Elizabeth had been responsible whether an accident or intentional. We know from their stories that at least Anne and Bette were in the nursery at 7:30 that evening, but from a claimed kidnap in around 9pm being discovered at 10pm no fingerprints can be found, which in my book, and in BOI's book is what distanced them self from that story. If you studied law enforcement such evidence doesn't hold true for the investigator, and am mystified why it was believed by Bornman and Wilentz? There is also a feeble claim of mud marks in the room, but what did the imaginary kidnapper do carry in a handfull of mud to leave as confirmation he had been there, if there is mud did he clean up his footprints?
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Post by Michael on Mar 11, 2007 22:28:18 GMT -5
We have to be careful here.... I believe you are using Behn as your source and even he says that Harry Green did not say exactly who it was who gave the affidavit. It seems likely that if such an affidavit existed that it would have been Ellerson instead of Burke or even McDonald, but hey, either of those may have had a motive to betray and/or invent something.
I've got a problem, once again, with the fact that no such affidavit exists in the Hoffman papers. And I cannot come up with a reason why not. Everything else is there. Letters from people accusing Elisabeth. Memos, letters, and even reports concerning Dwight Morrow Jr.'s involvement too. (See A Talent to Deceive - Norris). So why wouldn't the Governor have possession of such a document?
It's interesting to see, when reading Fisher's bashing of Behn's theory, that he does exactly (once again) what he accuses Behn of....that is, he omits the fact that in Schwarzkopf's personal file, in his very own handwriting, there are notes concerning Elisabeth's involvement. Maybe he does this on purpose, or maybe he just didn't do the research required to find it.
Who knows?
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Post by rita on Mar 11, 2007 23:22:36 GMT -5
Thanks Michael, I didn't think anyone else had the information, but if anyone ever discovers a lead to this situation I will explain, as i don't have a necessary connection yet and haven't read Behn's book, but will try to find a copy. I have been looking for information to tie together names to the gold certificates so certain historical items can make sense, and that is very difficult task so many years ago, and if those notes you speak of are at the Trenton museum I may take my RV on an extended expedition there after school is out.
The easy was to have connected to names is gone, as they were holding gold certificates while alive, but now the remainder has gone to collectors in South Africa and Canada
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