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Post by wolfman666 on Oct 12, 2017 8:46:16 GMT -5
Just picked up a 1st edition of The Crime and the Criminal. I'm putting it on biblio.com and on ebay later today (10-04-2017) The book is in fine to very fine condition. It'll be offered for 10 days at a fixed price but offers will be considered. i have godfrey burns book on the case. didn't know for a long time that he wrote one. its autographed also
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Post by xjd on Nov 4, 2017 23:54:20 GMT -5
recently i was able to borrow a copy of Shoenfeld's book from a local library, which was a treat for me as it was very scarce around these parts. like seemingly a lot of people i was impressed with the doctor's insights about what the personality of the kidnapper would be like. especially his views on the reluctance of the kidnapper to confess, his opinion that it would have been better to interview the suspect away from a police station set up (to appeal to his vanity i suppose) among other things.
my question is this; the book "Crime & the Criminal" was written after Hauptmann was on trial. is there anywhere a complete report of Shoenfeld's profile of the kidnapper that was written BEFORE BRH was arrested? i know Dudley got a lot of things right (German heritage, etc.) but was just curious what was off base and what was hind-sight.
either way, i still find Dr. Shoenfeld's views somewhat progressive from what i usually think of as psychiatry in the early part of last century.
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Post by Michael on Nov 5, 2017 8:14:13 GMT -5
my question is this; the book "Crime & the Criminal" was written after Hauptmann was on trial. is there anywhere a complete report of Shoenfeld's profile of the kidnapper that was written BEFORE BRH was arrested? i know Dudley got a lot of things right (German heritage, etc.) but was just curious what was off base and what was hind-sight. The only thing I have that applies to what you seek above is the previously mentioned November 1932 letter to Capt. Oliver. Safe to say that I have everything that is at the NJSP Archives but of course that doesn't mean something else did not/does not exist. Attachment Deleted
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Post by Michael on Nov 5, 2017 9:26:50 GMT -5
This should be the rest of it. Please let me know if I screwed it up: imgur.com/a/QZgxi
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Post by xjd on Nov 5, 2017 9:43:49 GMT -5
thanks Michael! i would love for anyone on the board who has experience in the mental health field to chime in on their interpretation of Dr. Shoenfeld's writings.
regarding item k & l on his list, the mutism; to my non-professional opinion this is fascinating as Hauptmann certainly talked but would not confess even to say his own life.
item m; this observation is contradictory, isn't it? he states crime was NOT committed by someone who is a professional criminal yet surely he is not an amateur (he's right that makes the perp fit into any category!) what does that leave us? semi-pro? that also certainly describes Richard.
what are some other opinions you all have on the "profiler" aspect of the crime?
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Post by hurtelable on Nov 6, 2017 21:56:38 GMT -5
With respect to Dr. Schoenfeld:
(1) Did he receive any monetary compensation for his theories about the perp?
(2) Seems as if Dr. Schoenfeld is strongly focused on a "lone wolf" theory at the same time the NYPD were largely thinking in terms of more than a single perp. So how seriously were the NYPD taking Schoenfeld's conclusions?
(3) Aside from the ransom notes, what other evidence did Schoenfeld have access to?
(4) Was there any particular reason for Schoenfeld to be present in Flemington at the Hauptmann trial? (I don't believe he was called to testify.)
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Post by mufti on Jan 27, 2018 15:51:57 GMT -5
Shoenfeld was a fraud. The reason his profile was so accurate was that he was a party to the framing of Hauptmann. Koehler was a fraud. The reason his search reached the National Lumber & Millwork Co. was that he knew in advance that it must end there (because that's where Hauptmann bought his wood). Both "feats" were too amazing to be real -- and they weren't! He had several wrong things but many of his suggestions were ludicrously specific such as the vehicle registrations. It is no wonder this advice was not followed, who would claim with a straight face to have such specific insights? It seems very much like he knew exactly who hauptmann was from the start.
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Post by xjd on Feb 1, 2024 22:58:31 GMT -5
in view of Sue's recent post "Dr. Margaret Virginia Palmer", i just wanted to bump this topic up a bit to see if anyone has recent thoughts, research, ideas/opinions etc. about the psych profile of the kidnapper/nappers or Hauptmann in general.
BRH was certainly stoic when interrogated, even after being beaten by police. which aligns with Shoenfeld's theory of holding out on confessing just to show he's so much stronger/smarter than the cops. but it could also indicated Hauptmann had nothing to confess.
admittedly, i waffle on BRH being the mastermind/lone wolf but i certainly think he was involved somehow.
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