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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 10:15:23 GMT -5
As is mentioned in previous posts on this thread, Michael has a whole Murray Garsson chapter in Volume 1 of The Dark Corners book series. Please check Chapter 8, Murray Garsson (G Man) PAGE 64. As that chapter reveals, Garsson is the investigator who was able to get Betty Gow to exclaim when being questioned that Lindbergh promised her that she would not be touched! Here is an interesting article I found about Murray Garsson and his investigators descending upon the Hopewell/Sourland Mountains during the Lindbergh Kidnapping investigation. This article was published in the New York Daily News on March 31, 1932, page 3. It is from the Grace Robinson Collection, American Heritage Collection, University of Wyoming. It is one article that I have divided into 7 parts for readable reproduction. imgur.com/ujrRCPC - Part One imgur.com/q6BAnp1 - Part Two imgur.com/zIYdg8Z - Part Three imgur.com/371bTlW - Part Four imgur.com/HqMpw12 - Part Five imgur.com/7DryOsj - Part Six imgur.com/ItUkTdk - Part Seven Garsson's aggressive tactics are also evident in this raid he made in April 1932 on some Norwegians although by this time he had been called off the LKC. bklyn.newspapers.com/image/59976327
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Post by scathma on Oct 2, 2019 13:10:19 GMT -5
"Mrs. Lindbergh, it was learned from friends, is becoming worried over the change in her child's appearance, which must be taking place while the infant is in the hands of the abductors. (emphasis added)
That's a weird statement; worried over the health of the child sure, but "appearance?" What kind of change in the baby's appearance would she be worried about???
This implies the baby was in such a fragile state that any deviation from a Lindbergh-controlled environment would be immediately apparent in the child's appearance.
Just how quickly would the only acknowledged health issue (rickets) manifest itself if the Vitriol regimen was interrupted?
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Post by thestonesunturned on Nov 12, 2023 10:34:59 GMT -5
Hi everyone! I am brand new to the board and am very impressed with the depth of knowledge I have seen displayed by you all in your discussions. At the risk of resurrecting the dead horse, I just thought I would chime in here with what I know about Murray Garsson from my research. First of all, I agree completely with what Michael wrote about not dismissing the evidence accumulated by Garsson because of his record and also about not judging him by what he would end up doing in his future. However, I am a stickler for accuracy, so I am offering this for what it is worth. Murray Garsson was one of several brothers who ran into trouble with the law. One brother, Irving Garsson was a prohibition agent in the early 1920s. In the summer of 1922, Murray Garsson arranged a "loan" of $100,000 to Ralph A. Day, the prohibition director of New York State at the time (to be distinguished from the Supervising Prohibition Enforcement Agent - generalizing Day was responsible for permits for producing alcohol, not for enforcement of the Volstead Act). The allegation was made that this loan was a bribe by Garsson for bootlegging purposes (ie to obtain permits). The evidence was put before a grand jury, which demanded to see Day's financial records. Day refused and was forced to resign. A indictment was made of Day for a minor matter (but that is a whole other irrelevant story). Irving Garsson and several other agents were fired for corruption. Irving later said his firing was a "political" attack. Murray Garsson shared an office with Morris Sweetwood, who was partners with Mannie Kessler, one of the biggest bootleggers at that time. Murray was also alleged to have ties to Owney Madden (which may be of interest given Madden's role in the LKC). The allegations of his ties to Madden extended right into 1932, when he was alleged to have assisted Madden to avoid getting deported. He also was later said to have ties to Dutch Schultz. As far as Elmer Irey's comments on Garsson go, I would take them with a grain of salt. Irey's Intelligence Unit was involved in the initial investigation in 1922, so Irey would have viewed Garsson as a scoundrel who got away with it. Hence his pleasure at purportedly getting Garsson fired (which he didn't - Garsson was let go in 1933 after a new Secretary of Labor was appointed0. I might generally say that I find Irey's recollections to be a bit unreliable. Garsson's firing from the Department of Labor may have just been the turnover from a Republican to Democratic administration, but there appear to have been some innuendo that he was "shaking down" people. So right up to the time of the kidnapping there were allegations of Garsson's corruption. That said, I find it difficult to see that he had any ulterior motive in his involvement in the LKC (I suppose he could have been looking for hush money from Lindbergh, but he doesn't seemed to made such demands). It may be of interest to know that there was a report that Murray's own daughter was said to have been kidnapped and returned after payment of a ransom. So he may have had personal reasons to volunteer his help. My apologies if this is all old news to everyone! Here is a link to chapter 3 of Irey's "book," which is full of a lot bull. www.lindberghkidnappinghoax.com/irey.pdf1. "In the summer of 1922, Murray Garsson arranged a "loan" of $100,000 to Ralph A. Day, the prohibition director of New York State at the time (to be distinguished from the Supervising Prohibition Enforcement Agent - generalizing Day was responsible for permits for producing alcohol, not for enforcement of the Volstead Act). The allegation was made that this loan was a bribe by Garsson for bootlegging purposes (ie to obtain permits)." That's funny. Gaston Means was ALSO involved in selling (sometimes real; sometimes forged) industrial alcohol distilling permits. Funny, because of a list of $106,000 worth of stock purchases supposedly made by Hauptmann, 5 of the companies were alcohol distillers. 2. Irey does claim that Lindy and Mrs Lindy bent wwwaaaayyyyy over backwards to protect the kidnappers, to the point of not wanting the serial numbers of the ransom money recorded, but that Irey explained to them that NOT recording the serial numbers would make them complicit in "compounding a felony." "...as far as we were concerned, we were out of the case." Hmmmmmm... 3. Irey describes in detail a meeting in Breckinridge's office with Peter Baritella and Mary "Magdalene" Cerrita in which she supposedly predicts the arrival of a new ransom note to Breck's office. Which did happen. Then, according to Irey, Breckinridge offered them a ride home. Supposedly, they said, "They gave us a round trip ticket down here." You know the rest. FBI Intelligence agent O'Rourke infiltrated their "church" in Harlem, etc. but Irey ends up brushing off the whole thing as a "red herring." 4. Irey describes Jafsie putting on a big show for the media, even though the "ransom" notes repeatedly warned "Dear Sir" to STOP doing that. 5. He sweeps the whole Means/McLean affair under the rug so briefly it boggles the mind. $106,000 disappears without a trace, and Irey, who can't sleep at night thinking about what a crumb Garsson was, treats it like a childish prank and moves on. 6. Here's where Irey's story gets interesting: "A dozen different kinds of wood went into making the box to hold the money. Samples of each kind of wood were kept..." It's aaaaaaaaaalllllmost like Irey was as psychic as Mary Cerrita. I mean, how did he know that a "lumber expert" was going to fry the kidnapper? J Edgar desperately, frantically needed his FBI to take credit for "cracking" this "case." Technically, Koehler worked for the USDA Forestry Service, but J Edgar made sure he testified as an FBI witness. 7. "Hauptmann was the first kidnapper to be caught spending the ransom money." Funny, that. Funny, because most of the bills turned up in Harlem. The gas station whence THE 10 spot was spent was in Harlem. In those days, Harlem was a Jewish/Italian neighborhood. As in, Baritella and Cerrita. And Fisch. 8. He just brushes aside everything from Curtis to Violet Sharpe's suicide as "red herrings" with no explanation. 9. He then claims that no less than FIFTEEN THOUSAND dollars worth of ransom gold notes were cashed in just before the deadline. Not just the $2980 "JJ Faulkner" cased in. 10. He details the investigation into Jane Faulkner's husband, Carl Giessler. Giessler once lived across the street from Jafsie. Giessler's handwriting was very similar to "JJ Faulkner." Giessler co-owned a prosperous and busy florist's shop. One of the ransom notes was left at the Bergen Greenhouse, which must have furnished Giessler's shop with inventory from time to time. According to Irey, Giessler was "cleared" by yet another "handwriting expert" (I'm a handwriting expert, myself, FWIW) BEFORE Giessler's on in law shot himself dead. Just another red herring, according to Irey. 11. According to Irey, Jafsie once picked out a member of the Detroit [Jewish] Purple Gang, "Waslow" (Vaclav) Simek, as "Cemetery John." Simek had been convicted of trying to kidnap Edsel Ford in 1919. Oh, wait--that was an attempt to kidnap Edsel himself. Simek was accused of trying to kidnap Edsel Jr in 1924. One need not remind y'all that the Colonel was good buddies with the Fords. Simek was then deported back home to Czechoslovakia. That's funny, because "Sophie Maran" and the rest of the Schippel Shack Gang were Jewish immigrants (including some Conversos) from the exact same neck of the old Austro-Hungarian Empire woods. Funny, because Irey really flips out over Garsson's claims that Betty Gow was associated with the Purple Gang. Simek had made his way to Santo Domingo in 1931. But, according to Irey, he had miraculously "turned honest" and was, therefore, de facto, a "red herring." Funny, because, the Feebs didn't "crack" this case--the William J Burns detective agency did. Employers of one Gaston Bullock Means. Google "Murder of Mary Phagan." Member that one? Member when WJB "detectives" GBM and JJ McWorth tried to frame the janitor Conley with planted evidence, hand written notes... 12. Irey asserts that, prior to Hauptmann being linked to the $10 bill spent at the Harlem gas station, "several such leads had proven worthless." PROVEN worthless? 13. He wraps up the "case" against Hauptmann by repeating all the "evidence" that has since been debunked.
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