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Post by lightningjew on Aug 25, 2014 13:34:47 GMT -5
Since writing something as incriminating as a go-between's address on a wall in your house seems really stupid, like painting a target on your back (especially when you could just look it up in the phonebook and/or memorize it), could Hauptmann have written Condon's address in his closet as a kind of insurance policy; a signal to the police if they ever came knocking on his door, that would then send them to Condon? Might Hauptmann have wanted to incriminate Condon for some reason and decided this was the best way to do it, but his plan then backfired, with the police thinking instead that Hauptmann simply wrote the go-between's address on the closet wall so he wouldn't forget it? If Hauptmann was part of a plot which, if revealed, would cost the participants (and possibly their families) their lives, then, when the police misinterpreted Condon's address being in the closet, Hauptmann couldn't correct them and tell them what the address was really doing there, but instead had to make up an excuse ("I like to write addresses on walls."). Sorry if this sounds nuts. Just brainstorming.
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Post by Michael on Aug 25, 2014 16:07:55 GMT -5
Sorry if this sounds nuts. Just brainstorming. When something doesn't make "sense" then it's important to brainstorm and consider different possibilities. I've often thought this might have been originally a type of "dead drop" where if Hauptmann were to be killed or arrested then someone would know where to find the point of contact. If this is correct, then it would seem logical it was meant for someone Anna would feel comfortable with letting into the apartment. There's too much going on that's indicative of a system for this to have been a "stupid mistake" so there's definitely a reason beyond that for it to be there in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 19:43:24 GMT -5
Then this someone would have to know to look in that closet for this address. And if this person knows to do that then wouldn't that mean this person knows Hauptmann was involved with the kidnapping/extortion???
I can see this being important to have there while the negotiations were ongoing and even right after the payment of the ransom. But once Condon was revealed as Jafsie the go between, I am not sure of what value having that address would have been at that point. It now becomes incriminating to have it written there. Hauptmann did get arrested. How would this person have gotten into the apartment to look in that closet since there were police there all the time?
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Post by Michael on Aug 26, 2014 5:40:33 GMT -5
Then this someone would have to know to look in that closet for this address. And if this person knows to do that then wouldn't that mean this person knows Hauptmann was involved with the kidnapping/extortion??? Remember this whole "idea" is just a mere suggestion at this point. To answer your question: probably - but not necessarily yes. I think 95% of us believe this crime required the help of several people each with certain levels of guilt. Perrone is an example of someone who was used to assist with the least amount of guilt. I submit when he agreed to deliver that note he knew whatever was going on probably wasn't on the level - but of course didn't realize the magnitude of it either. Next, if the story about Hauptmann trying to pass the Ransom Money at the lumber yard was true, then whoever the gentleman is who's with him certainly knows there is, at the very least, something illegal going on. What level is his guilt in all of this? Perhaps nothing at all because it may not even be true, but if it was then we have something to consider. Is he running away because Hauptmann told him it was a counterfeit bill, or because he knew it was connected to the kidnapping? Both are bad, of course, but one opens the door to many possibilities. So I look at everything that surrounds the crime, then at Hauptmann himself. The crime includes the secret symbol. Despite Kevin's assessment of it, I believe it reveals intelligent planning that reaches well beyond a "stupid" criminal like the one who robbed women of their food in Wiesa. The Ladder and its design. Next, the meetings in the Cemetery arranged through a middle man both involving a Look-Out. Then we have Hauptmann hiding the Ransom Money including the specific method by utilizing a wall safe..... The other thing to consider is it might not even have been Hauptmann's idea to dead drop this information there. I can see this being important to have there while the negotiations were ongoing and even right after the payment of the ransom. But once Condon was revealed as Jafsie the go between, I am not sure of what value having that address would have been at that point. It now becomes incriminating to have it written there. Hauptmann did get arrested. How would this person have gotten into the apartment to look in that closet since there were police there all the time? I think breaking in would have been impossible so if this suggestion were true then Anna would have to let them in. That would mean it was someone she trusted. Like, for example, Hans Mueller. Mueller is the guy who had Hauptmann's license plate number written down in his memo book and the March 1st kidnapping announcement from the newspaper in his wallet.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 8:30:08 GMT -5
I understand that we are speaking hypothetically here. I do think that this crime required more than one participant. I think it was done in such a manor that the participants were not directly involved with one another therefore not able to implicate anyone else involved. For example, I do not think that Hauptmann was in Hopewell the night of March 1 so he had no idea who took Charlie and who killed him.
I see what you are saying about Perrone being used but not knowing what was going on. However, the fare who asked for a ride to Knoxx Place that night could have been used in the same type of way. There is timing involved here. Whoever waived down Perrone on Gunhill Road was ready and waiting for a taxi to come by. That letter needed to get to Condon that night in a timely manner.
No argument from me that this whole kidnapping/extortion was cleverly and carefully planned; so much so that it was impossible to put 2 and 2 together and not end up at a dead end everytime you tried.
So you are saying that Hauptmann might have been told to write Condon's address there or that he did so for the sake of someone else like Hans Mueller who would know who to go to if something unexpected happened to Hauptmann? Hans Mueller is high on my list of persons of interest for numerous reasons. I am just not sure if he knew Hauptmann was involved from the beginning or if Hauptmann told him after the fact. If things took a bad turn early during this crime, Hauptmann would have wanted someone Anna could trust to be there for her. I see Mueller in this type of roll and he would then need to know early on that Hauptmann was involved in something and to check that closet if anything happened to him. So I also see Hauptmann protecting Mueller all the way to the electric chair.
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Post by hurtelable on Aug 26, 2014 14:50:50 GMT -5
Who is Hans Mueller and what was his background?
Interesting that J. J. Nosovitsky, in a handwriting specimen posted by Michael here a while back, was looking for someone named "Mueller" in Troy, NY while apparently doing a private detective job in Troy, NY back in the 1920s.
But granted, "Mueller" is a very common German surname. It translates into "Miller."
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Post by Michael on Aug 26, 2014 20:15:40 GMT -5
Who is Hans Mueller and what was his background? He was married to Anna's niece Maria.
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Post by hurtelable on Aug 27, 2014 6:27:49 GMT -5
To Michael, amy35 et al:
Why all the suspicion here surrounding Hans Mueller in the LKC?? Did he have any criminal record? He's not mentioned at all by name in either Gardner's book nor Behn's.
Would anyone know if Hans Mueller was interviewed by law enforcement after Hauptmann's arrest, and if so, is there a report of that interview in the record?
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Post by romeo12 on Aug 27, 2014 9:45:10 GMT -5
I have the document of the police file on hauptmans friends I think hes on it. they must have talked to him
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Post by lightningjew on Aug 27, 2014 15:14:11 GMT -5
So, Michael, you think that Hauptmann writing Condon's address inside the closet could've been as a contact for help if he ever got arrested?
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Post by Michael on Aug 27, 2014 19:17:47 GMT -5
So, Michael, you think that Hauptmann writing Condon's address inside the closet could've been as a contact for help if he ever got arrested? Here's what I am certain of: 1. Hauptmann wrote Condon's address. 2. Hauptmann did not write Condon's phone number. 3. Hauptmann wrote the serial numbers on the back of the closet door. Everything else has been guess-work through a trial and error approach to whatever possibility I've considered. I do not feel 100% comfortable with any of them although some feel better then others (if you know what I mean). This is something I truly believe I will stumble onto, even at this late date, because it's happened on more then one occasion for me concerning other matters. I will pick up a Report, or a letter, or read a post - and something will "click." As it stands now this matter is open ended and will remain there (for me) until I am satisfied I can reach the most logical position that's out there to be found.
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