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Post by Sue on Apr 28, 2021 12:00:48 GMT -5
The auction picture that accompanies the rifle that was for sale in 2012 -- that self-same picture appears in an upstate New York newspaper in 1957.
"Hunting Photo Recalls Kidnap" by Larry McGrath The Sunday Press Binghamton, New York December 22, 1957 3-C
Mrs. William H. Patterson was living in Endicott, New York in 1957.
Patterson provides the information for the newspaper story. (She allegedly is the sister of John and Earl Lister.)
The article claims that Patterson received the photograph from her brother, Earl, months before being published in the Sunday Press.
According to the article, the back of the photo is inscribed: "To Earl from Richard"
McGrath writes that John Lister was from Hopewell, New Jersey -- I don't know if that was so.
Also, Earl and John felt Hauptmann may have reluctantly shot the deer in the picture.
I will try to type the article later.
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Post by hurtelable on Apr 28, 2021 16:30:51 GMT -5
That inscription, IF a copy of it is available, should be examined by a Certified Document Examiner and compared to at least a dozen known Hauptmann writings. That would be a first step to proving or disproving the authenticity of the story in the article. Of course, there could be tons of men named Richard who enjoyed hunting and who had a last name other than Hauptmann.
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Post by Sue on Apr 28, 2021 18:58:28 GMT -5
There is a newspaper account that supports the authenticity of the McGrath claim from Mrs. Patterson. According to the September 26, 1934 edition of the Evening Sun from Baltimore, Maryland, Earl Lister received a check from Hauptmann four weeks after the group left Maine. Included with the check were pictures from the trip. www.newspapers.com/clip/17776596/the-evening-sun/
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Post by Sue on Apr 29, 2021 6:00:13 GMT -5
Not the best, but the article can still be read by clicking on "OCR" on the page. The picture of the people in the hunting party can be seen in the upper right hand corner. Press and Sun-Bulletin from Binghamton, New York December 22, 1957 Page 33 www.newspapers.com/newspage/254434309/
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Post by hurtelable on Apr 29, 2021 10:27:04 GMT -5
Sue: Thanks for the U. P. news articles on Hauptmann which appeared about a week following his arrest.
It seems as if Hauptmann was living a pretty comfortable life style as early as the summer of 1932, when he was known to be in Georgia, followed up by the hunting trip to Maine in November of that year with Karl Henkel. This all occurred at the peak of the Great Depression. Recall that Hauptmann took a cross-country auto trip the following year. So he was really getting around, BEFORE Fisch supposedly dropped off the ransom money to him.
But one might think that if Hauptmann thought he had done something to make him the target of a huge manhunt by law enforcement, he would have used aliases in his dealings with strangers like the hunting guide and the man who rented him the cabin in Maine. Instead, he openly used his real name and even wrote checks to strangers on an account with his real name. Why wouldn't he be more cautious?
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Post by Joe on Apr 29, 2021 13:01:09 GMT -5
Sue: Thanks for the U. P. news articles on Hauptmann which appeared about a week following his arrest. It seems as if Hauptmann was living a pretty comfortable life style as early as the summer of 1932, when he was known to be in Georgia, followed up by the hunting trip to Maine in November of that year with Karl Henkel. This all occurred at the peak of the Great Depression. Recall that Hauptmann took a cross-country auto trip the following year. So he was really getting around, BEFORE Fisch supposedly dropped off the ransom money to him. But one might think that if Hauptmann thought he had done something to make him the target of a huge manhunt by law enforcement, he would have used aliases in his dealings with strangers like the hunting guide and the man who rented him the cabin in Maine. Instead, he openly used his real name and even wrote checks to strangers on an account with his real name. Why wouldn't he be more cautious? Hauptmann believed that, "if there is no evidence, they can't convict", as he told Fred Hahn. He was confident he had gotten away with the crime and appeared to have remained very cool about his involvement up to and including his capture. I think any normal individual would have fallen to pieces under the kind of questioning he received, and given the psychological enormity of the trial. I'm not sure what good the use of aliases would have served him, and I'd venture it probably would have just drawn more attention his way. By the way, that cross-country trip occurred between July and October of 1931.
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Post by Sue on May 2, 2021 23:29:53 GMT -5
hurtelable,
You are welcome.
I don't know why Hauptmann was not more cautious, but the Maine story calls to mind that other account of Hauptmann hiring a tour guide when he was at that Canadian fort in Manitoba.
Not sure what the going rate for tour guides were in the 1930s, but Hauptmann liked to use them!
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Post by Guest on May 3, 2021 5:57:44 GMT -5
hurtelable, You are welcome. I don't know why Hauptmann was not more cautious, but the Maine story calls to mind that other account of Hauptmann hiring a tour guide when he was at that Canadian fort in Manitoba. Not sure what the going rate for tour guides were in the 1930s, but Hauptmann liked to use them! Sue, would you please tell us more about Hauptmann's trip to Manitoba? I've never heard of it. When did he go there? Who went with him? The police had found a receipt or check from the Manhattan Savings Institution dated August 14, 1934, in the amount of five Canadian dollars, payable to Richard Hoffman, in Hauptmann's apartment. He used this alias as early as 1931, when he went to California. This sounds like another one of your great finds!
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Post by Sue on May 3, 2021 9:54:47 GMT -5
The long article about Hauptmann's summer 1932 visit to Fort Prince of Wales is in a Canadian publication called Nord.
The article was published in 1978.
The tour guide's name was Angus MacIver.
I posted it on Ronelle's board several years ago, and cannot retrieve it now. I really should have made a copy of it, but I thought it would always be there to view.
There is a way to get pieces of it and put it together, but it will take time.
Somewhere at the top of the article it reads:
"Was Richard Bruno Hauptmann (upper left) -- the man executed for the kidnapping and murder of the Lindbergh baby -- the person MacIver took to visit Fort Prince of Wales in the summer of 1932?"
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Post by Sue on May 3, 2021 10:06:52 GMT -5
Churchill, Manitoba is known as the polar bear capital of the world.
There is a one-page online (pdf) article about the Hauptmann/MacIver encounter.
See page 26.
If you can somehow post that page it would be great!
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Post by Sue on May 3, 2021 11:29:02 GMT -5
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Post by Sue on May 4, 2021 11:17:26 GMT -5
The Lister brothers, Earl and John, believed his name was Richard Hoffman.
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Binghamton, N. Y. Dec. 22, 1957 THE SUNDAY PRESS
Photo Recalls Kidnap
THE HUNTED HUNTSMAN: At extreme left in this hunting party photograph, owned by an Endicott woman, is a hunter who was himself the quarry of a nationwide manhunt at the time the picture was snapped 25 years ago in the State of Maine. He Is Bruno Richard Hauptmann, later identified, convicted and put to death as the kidnaper of Charles Augustus Lindbergh, Jr.
By Larry McGrath
Sunday Press
This is the season for snapshots of hunters and their trophies, and for hunting party reminiscences. Mrs. William H. Patterson of 112 East Wendell Street, Endicott, no hunter herself, has a second-hand set of these which hark back to a big hunt 25 years ago a manhunt for the kidnaper of Charles A. Lindbergh, Jr.
Mrs. Patterson recently acquired a photograph, possibly the only one of its kind, showing a party of hunters posing with deer they had shot on a hunt in the state of Maine in 1932, during the Lindbergh kidnap-death probe. Two of the hunters are her brothers; two others are unidentified New Jersey men. The other is Bruno Richard Hauptmann, who soon after the hunting trip was hunted down himself as the man responsible for the kidnaping of the Lindbergh baby. Hauptmann himself gave the original photograph to Mrs. Patterson's brother, Earl Lister of Bingham, Maine, who served as guide for the hunting party. Mr. Lister turned it over to the Endicott woman when she visited his home several months ago. The back of the photo bears the inscription: "To Earl from Richard."
Mrs. Patterson says Earl, who is shown second from right in the photograph, and another brother, John Lister of Hopewell, N. J., second from left, knew Hauptmann as "Richard" and became good friends with him during the hunting trip in the Maine Woods. Hauptmann, the burly figure at extreme left in the photo, was described by her brothers as a mild sort of man who "hardly had the heart to shoot a deer," Mrs. Patterson relates. "He let several deer go by before finally shooting one," she says her brother Earl reported of the 1932 hunt. Mrs. Patterson's brothers, she says, were "greatly surprised" when they heard Hauptmann "they always thought his name was Hoffman" had been arrested in the kidnap-death of the 19-month-old Lindbergh boy.
The child, firstborn of famous parents, was snatched from his crib at the Lindbergh home near Hopewell, N. J., on March 1, 1932. His body was found 11 days later less than five miles from the kidnap scene, after $50,000 in ransom had been paid. Months of investigation led to Hauptmann's arrest near his Bronx home, where more than $14,000 of the ransom money was found hidden in his garage. Hauptmann, a paroled German convict who had entered the U. S. illegally in 1923, went to his death in the electric chair at Trenton, N. J., in April, 1936, after conviction in the history-making kidnap case.
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Post by bernardt on Apr 4, 2022 5:08:24 GMT -5
On his Maine/New Jersey hunting trips, Hauptmann was said to have referred to the Lindbergh kidnapping. He said that attention is given to kidnappings of the children of rich men, but not much attention is given to the kidnapping of the children of poor men. The statement seems naive. Poor men's children are not kidnapped because the parents cannot pay ransom. Hauptmann may have made the comment to close the conversation since he was not comfortable discussing the Lindbergh case.
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Post by bernardt on Apr 6, 2022 11:45:12 GMT -5
In the photo of the Maine hunting trip, the likeness of Richard Hauptmann appears with his hand encircling a tree or pole. When the photo is enlarged, the thumb on his left hand clearly shows a swelling at the base. I recall that Condon stated that CJ had a swelling at the base of the left thumb--at least that was one of his stories. I had looked for some evidence of the swelling in various photoes of BRH, but this is the first (and only) one I have found. The photo was taken in the fall of 1932. I will try to attach the photo at some point.
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Post by lurp173 on Apr 6, 2022 18:03:08 GMT -5
Bernardt, Is this the photo you are posting about?
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