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Post by Sue on Sept 12, 2020 15:01:42 GMT -5
Was Albert Cramer the first person to glimpse the body of the Lindbergh baby after the abduction on March 1, 1932?
Albert Cramer (also spelled Kramer) was a bakery truck driver for a company called American Stores. On the early morning of March 2, 1932, he claims he saw a blanket-wrapped bundle that looked like a large-sized doll about one mile and a half from the Lindbergh home.
Thirty-five-year-old Cramer said that he was on the "road to Somerville," and that he was on the northern side of Princeton Mountain. At the time, he did not realize that what he saw could have been the Lindbergh baby. Only after a road block stop did he begin to think that the "doll baby" might have been the Lindbergh child.
A few years ago, I posted about the Albert Cramer incident. The authorities were not successful in finding this bundle. Hours may have elapsed before investigators were able to locate the vicinity that Cramer claims he saw this doll-like figure.
One of the many articles pertaining to Cramer's sighting is called "Baby Cast in Ditch?"
The baby was discovered 75 feet from the road on May 12, 1932, but was he originally left in a ditch closer to the roadside? A few articles say that Cramer saw the bundle in the road.
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Post by stella7 on Sept 12, 2020 15:58:33 GMT -5
Hi Sue,
If Albert Cramer were driving toward Somerville from the Hopewell area he would not have been going toward Mt. Rose which heads south out of Hopewell (Princeton Ave.), but he could have driven east on Georgetown Pike (rt 518) and then north on Great Rd. toward Somerville. Great Rd would have taken them right passed the Home for Epileptics, coincidentally. Do any of the articles state where his route started from?
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Post by Sue on Sept 12, 2020 16:43:06 GMT -5
I don't know where Cramer started from, but he was headed back to his home in Philadelphia.
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Post by Sue on Sept 12, 2020 17:08:47 GMT -5
Albert Cramer was returning from Orange, New Jersey.
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Post by Sue on Sept 12, 2020 17:23:54 GMT -5
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Post by Michael on Sept 12, 2020 19:03:16 GMT -5
Turns out this was investigated. I wish I had better news. Here is the original report and look at the handwritten note on the bottom written by Captain Lamb: this checked by me and found to be load of paperAlso, check out the name on the report. This represents one of the "pitfalls" I keep talking about. Had anyone gone down to the archives trying to research this they probably would have never found it. imgur.com/XbDVw9l
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Post by Sue on Sept 12, 2020 19:22:52 GMT -5
Did they call Albert Kramer in to guide them to the spot where he said he saw the doll baby. Kramer said it looked distinctly like a doll.
That report looks skimpy, and I wonder if they even took the step to bring Cramer down to identify where he saw the baby doll.
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Post by Michael on Sept 12, 2020 19:41:17 GMT -5
Did they call Albert Kramer in to guide them to the spot where he said he saw the doll baby. Kramer said it looked distinctly like a doll. That report looks skimpy, and I wonder if they even took the step to bring Cramer down to identify where he saw the baby doll. I've never found a statement or any other report about this. I do believe they initially took it seriously or it wouldn't have been Lamb himself taking the wheel to drive the line down 31 checking the ditch. My guess is he checked the ditch its entire length and found this load of paper that probably looked like what was originally described. This was early on so everyone had a fire under their asses hoping to be the one to recover the child.
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Post by Sue on Sept 12, 2020 20:06:46 GMT -5
ONLY Albert Kramer's eyes saw the object that looked like a doll.
Shouldn't Kramer have been the one to be leading the way with the police by checking the ditches along that road?
As tired as he may have been from hauling bakery goods, they should have demanded his presence back in New Jersey to find that "doll."
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Post by Michael on Sept 14, 2020 10:04:11 GMT -5
ONLY Albert Kramer's eyes saw the object that looked like a doll. Shouldn't Kramer have been the one to be leading the way with the police by checking the ditches along that road? As tired as he may have been from hauling bakery goods, they should have demanded his presence back in New Jersey to find that "doll." Well I cannot argue with that. Of course I think having him there personally would be the ideal situation but let's consider what happened. He wasn't looking for what he saw and yet spotted it in the ditch as he drove by. If he could see it there then I'd say anyone could have. Perhaps there were two different bundles that looked similar, so let's say Lamb either missed it or discovered the wrong one... Then what prevented everyone else looking for the child (or not looking) from seeing it? Next, where did it go? Did animals drag it into the woods? Did the Kidnappers return to retrieve it? Or could it still be there to this day? I personally believe this item made it to the newspapers, they reported on it, but never knew it had been investigated by police. It was a valid tip just not what he thought it was. Of course since you disagree I will definitely listen to your thoughts about it.
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Post by Sue on Sept 15, 2020 18:31:56 GMT -5
Albert Cramer should have been brought back to the stretch of road where he believed he saw the doll.
I would expect nothing else from a good investigator!
Time was of the essence!
Cramer believed he saw the doll baby about 1 a.m. on March 2, 1932.
This was only about hours after the reported disappearance of the Lindbergh baby!
Was there ANYONE ELSE who reported seeing an object that looked like a baby in the early hours or days after March 1?
The police should have physically got Cramer back to New Jersey.
Maybe being back in that physical location (on the northern side of Princeton Mountain) would have jogged Cramer's memory for further detail of what he remembered!
I'm not even a trained investigator, but common sense would tell a good investigator that!
You can't assume everyone has a spirit of excellence in their work.
Thoroughness, attention-to-detail, and common sense should have ruled the day.
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