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Post by Sue on Aug 18, 2020 23:28:02 GMT -5
Norman Schwarzkopf's diary. If it IS Norman Schwarzkopf''s diary! Several years ago, I located a book called Crime & Detection put out by the British publishing company named Dorling Kindersley. (DK) These books are a series of non-fiction geared for children and young adults. On page 22 of that book, published in 2005, is a picture of a page of that diary with a journal entry for May 12, 1932! So, I ask again, is this Schwarzkopf''s diary? If so, is the diary in England? IS this his diary? Someone saw fit to educate the reader about the Lindbergh crime by using that picture. pubhtml5.com/wayc/egmd/basic
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Post by Michael on Aug 19, 2020 11:25:02 GMT -5
Great find Sue. Although a little blurry this looks like his handwriting to me. No copies of this diary (nor the original) are at the NJSP Archives. So this is one of those unique sources I always mention that could still be "out there."
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Post by forensics fan on Aug 19, 2020 13:05:10 GMT -5
That's really cool. I don't know if you have a physical copy of the book, but I saw that Amazon has used copies of the 2005 edition for sale, I think other online thrift/used book stores do, too. At worst it would provide a clearer photo of that page of the diary, at best it may identify somewhere in the book where the diary came from and have contact info for the authors/publisher to reach out to them directly. They should know where it came from. Good luck!
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Post by forensics fan on Aug 19, 2020 13:23:36 GMT -5
Sue, are you familiar with http://www.worldcat.org ? It is the world's largest catalog of libraries. If you plug in the book title and year it will tell you where the book is available, sorted by distance from whatever zipcode you plug in. If you'd rather borrow the book instead of purchasing it used.
--FF
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2020 16:49:21 GMT -5
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Post by Sue on Aug 20, 2020 18:35:03 GMT -5
Forensics Fan:
Thank you.
I've been looking at this case a long time.
I checked that book out of the library many years ago.
I like looking for hidden information in places that are not obvious.
Have you wondered if Truman Capote ever interviewed Betty Gow in the 1970s? See Richard Hack's book, The Puppetmaster.
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Post by forensics fan on Aug 20, 2020 20:34:08 GMT -5
Sue:
Thanks! I will have to check out that book. I didn't know about Capote's supposed interview of Gow. I believe that Berg referenced an interview quoting Gow in his book LINDBERGH. I don't remember if that was an original interview Berg had done, or a reference to someone else's interview.
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Post by forensics fan on Aug 20, 2020 20:35:08 GMT -5
Thank you Amy! This is really interesting. Great find!
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Post by forensics fan on Aug 21, 2020 10:32:31 GMT -5
Amy & Sue --
I'm super impressed by your sleuthing skills. After the book is public I would love to swap tips and resources with you both sometime.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2020 19:02:25 GMT -5
Amy & Sue -- I'm super impressed by your sleuthing skills. After the book is public I would love to swap tips and resources with you both sometime. Thank you so much for saying this! After I finish reading the book, I look forward to speaking with you!
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Post by forensics fan on Aug 21, 2020 20:30:00 GMT -5
Amy & Sue -- I'm super impressed by your sleuthing skills. After the book is public I would love to swap tips and resources with you both sometime. Thank you so much for saying this! After I finish reading the book, I look forward to speaking with you! You're welcome!
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Post by Sue on Aug 22, 2020 13:53:10 GMT -5
Thanks for the compliment to Amy and me.
Thank you for the invitation.
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Post by hurtelable on Aug 26, 2020 7:45:11 GMT -5
Norman Schwarzkopf's diary. If it IS Norman Schwarzkopf''s diary! Several years ago, I located a book called Crime & Detection put out by the British publishing company named Dorling Kindersley. (DK) These books are a series of non-fiction geared for children and young adults. On page 22 of that book, published in 2005, is a picture of a page of that diary with a journal entry for May 12, 1932! So, I ask again, is this Schwarzkopf''s diary? If so, is the diary in England? IS this his diary? Someone saw fit to educate the reader about the Lindbergh crime by using that picture. pubhtml5.com/wayc/egmd/basicCouldn't get to the link that's alleged to show Schwarzkopf's diary entry for May 12, 1932. Can anyone post the text of the purported Schwarzkopf diary? I, for one would be interested in what Schwarzkopf was thinking at the time, though I have a feeling that the diary entry won't be too shocking in regarding NJSP's thoughts as to who perpetrated the "kidnapping", the MO, etc. at that juncture in the case.
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Post by forensics fan on Aug 26, 2020 10:49:30 GMT -5
Thanks for the compliment to Amy and me. Thank you for the invitation. You're welcome!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2020 8:15:36 GMT -5
Can anyone post the text of the purported Schwarzkopf diary? I, for one would be interested in what Schwarzkopf was thinking at the time, though I have a feeling that the diary entry won't be too shocking in regarding NJSP's thoughts as to who perpetrated the "kidnapping", the MO, etc. at that juncture in the case. Hurt, Here is the entry for the May 12th page: You can see all the other pages from this diary in the link I posted earlier on this thread. After you open the link, just click on the small photos and you can read all the pages in this booklet. www.icollector.com/Lindbergh-Baby-Kidnapping-Archive_i34159957
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Post by forensics fan on Aug 27, 2020 10:54:06 GMT -5
Amy & Sue
Thank you for posting this info. I read the pages that Amy posted from the private collection and what struck me is that H.N. Schwarzkopf is mentioned in the third person in some of the entries. Would Schwarzkopf refer to himself in the third person if this was his diary? Could it possibly belong to Captain Lamb or Schoeffle?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2020 11:25:04 GMT -5
Amy & Sue Thank you for posting this info. I read the pages that Amy posted from the private collection and what struck me is that H.N. Schwarzkopf is mentioned in the third person in some of the entries. Would Schwarzkopf refer to himself in the third person if this was his diary? Could it possibly belong to Captain Lamb or Schoeffle? I had the same thought as you regarding the third person usage of Schwarzkopf. I think this notebook is more likely one that belonged to one of the investigators of the case and not necessarily Schwarzkopf himself. I have not yet been through the notebooks used by the police in this case. That will be part of a future archive trip that I can devote exclusively to that task. This notebook basically records main points that occurred in the case in 1932. Sort of like marking a calendar or something. Just a thought.
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Post by hurtelable on Aug 31, 2020 5:40:13 GMT -5
Can anyone post the text of the purported Schwarzkopf diary? I, for one would be interested in what Schwarzkopf was thinking at the time, though I have a feeling that the diary entry won't be too shocking in regarding NJSP's thoughts as to who perpetrated the "kidnapping", the MO, etc. at that juncture in the case. Hurt, Here is the entry for the May 12th page: You can see all the other pages from this diary in the link I posted earlier on this thread. After you open the link, just click on the small photos and you can read all the pages in this booklet. www.icollector.com/Lindbergh-Baby-Kidnapping-Archive_i34159957As noted by others on this thread, the referral to Schwarzkopf in the third person elsewhere in the diary pretty much tells us that the writer of the diary was NOT Schwarzkopf. Nonetheless, the writer had to be an NJSP official high up in the chain of command, based on the content. The May 12, 1932 entry indicates that the body was ID'd as that of CAL Jr. on that date by Walsh and Keaton. Since Walsh and Keaton had never seen CAL Jr. alive, it would seem as if they trusted Betty Gow to make the identification at that point. Perhaps they should have waited for further info from CAL Sr., Anne, and/or others before jumping to their conclusion?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2020 10:19:02 GMT -5
The May 12, 1932 entry indicates that the body was ID'd as that of CAL Jr. on that date by Walsh and Keaton. Since Walsh and Keaton had never seen CAL Jr. alive, it would seem as if they trusted Betty Gow to make the identification at that point. Perhaps they should have waited for further info from CAL Sr., Anne, and/or others before jumping to their conclusion? Hurt, I will post a few reports surrounding the finding of the Lindbergh baby on May 12, 1932. Betty Gow's identification of the special shirt that was found on the corpse was the first positive ID by someone attached to the Lindbergh child. I didn't include that report here. I believe I might have already posted it on the board. Not completely sure, though. imgur.com/ckIidGm Report 1 imgur.com/1n4UXoG Report 2 imgur.com/OBlhlou Report 3
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