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Post by hurtelable on Jul 17, 2020 19:11:43 GMT -5
Law enforcement had the story that Ellerson and Gow stopped at a drug store on the way to Highfields on the day of the purported "kidnapping." I believe they had the name of the specific pharmacy. Is there any record of a police search of the pharmacy phone records to check out the phone numbers to which calls may have been placed from the pharmacy?
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Post by metje on Jul 18, 2020 2:25:15 GMT -5
The call may not have been placed using a pharmacy phone inside the building. At that time there were phone booths available outside and sometimes attached to a building exterior.
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Post by metje on Jul 18, 2020 3:35:31 GMT -5
I should probably clarify my earlier remark since the public phone booth has disappeared from the landscape. They were small booths found on sidewalks and in bus stations. They were glass with a folding door and an attached bench to sit on. The caller inserted a coin into a slot on the phone mechanism and then talked with a live operator who told the customer how how much money to insert into the slot and then made the connection. There were quite a number of the booths in New York City at that time, and I assumed that phone booths would be available also in Englewood Cliffs, in the business section especially. If the telephone company kept records, it would be difficult to trace any particular call or phone transaction, I would think, especially after a number of years had elapsed. It would not be likely that a Morrow staff member would make a call from Next Day Hill since that could be traced easily. I was suggesting that someone could have made a call from a public phone booth to avoid identification. Henry Ellerson could have done this when Betty Gow made a purchase at the pharmacy in Englewood Cliffs on their way to Hopewell. Just a possibility.
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Post by metje on Jul 18, 2020 6:56:24 GMT -5
Correction to earlier comment: Henry Ellerson was asked if Betty Gow made any telephone call while she was in drugstore. He replied that he did not know. (Police Statement) He was not asked if he made any telephone call, and he offered no information himself regarding this.
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Post by hurtelable on Jul 18, 2020 12:13:53 GMT -5
I should probably clarify my earlier remark since the public phone booth has disappeared from the landscape. They were small booths found on sidewalks and in bus stations. They were glass with a folding door and an attached bench to sit on. The caller inserted a coin into a slot on the phone mechanism and then talked with a live operator who told the customer how how much money to insert into the slot and then made the connection. There were quite a number of the booths in New York City at that time, and I assumed that phone booths would be available also in Englewood Cliffs, in the business section especially. If the telephone company kept records, it would be difficult to trace any particular call or phone transaction, I would think, especially after a number of years had elapsed. It would not be likely that a Morrow staff member would make a call from Next Day Hill since that could be traced easily. I was suggesting that someone could have made a call from a public phone booth to avoid identification. Henry Ellerson could have done this when Betty Gow made a purchase at the pharmacy in Englewood Cliffs on their way to Hopewell. Just a possibility. I am dating myself when I say this, but I'm old enough to remember those now almost extinct phone booths with the folding wooden door and (usually) a little metal seat with a phone mounted to one of the inner walls and those little slots to deposit quarters, dime, and nickels. I would almost be sure that the 1932 models would be more primitive than the ones I used decades later. The point I was driving at is that the telephone company that owned the booth (good chance it was one of the Bell companies back then) would almost surely have kept a log of all the phone calls made from each booth. I would assume that the operators were told by the customer the number to be called out and did so after the payment of the required coins. The operator would then record that telephone number and location and time in a company log book. So law enforcement, if they chose to pursue this angle, had the option of going through telephone company logbooks for all pay phones and/or booths in the vicinity of the pharmacy where Ellerson and Gow stopped. The question is: did they do any such type of investigation?
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Post by metje on Jul 18, 2020 14:33:15 GMT -5
Excellent question! Perhaps a member of the board would know if such an investigation had been done. If the name of the pharmacy was known, then it would be a matter of identifying the location of the public payphones in that vicinity.
We can infer that a phone call was placed after 10:30 am that day from someone who knew the baby was remaining at Hopewell, most likely someone from the Morrow staff or acquainted with a Morrow staff member. He/she would not have wanted to use a Next Day phone as that could be easily traced and the caller most likely identified. Neither would the individual want to make the call from his/her residence for the same reason. It would make sense to use a public pay phone or a phone associated with a business in order to hide one's identity as that call could not be so easily traced to the individual.
Richard Hauptmann did not have a phone, so the call would have to be made to another gang member. If Hauptmann was involved, then someone would need to contact him personally. The first call would have been placed on Monday afternoon after Mrs. Lindbergh first called Next Day Hill to say she was not coming back that day and would not return until the baby was well enough to be moved. Tuesday evening then looked like a good possibility for the kidnappers to act if the Lindberghs delayed their return one more day. If Hauptmann was involved, then he would be contacted and told to finish the ladder (if in fact it was not finished), help him write the ransom note, provide him with New Jersey license plates, and remind him to fill the gas tank. He then would have to be told only what time to arrive in Hopewell on Tuesday with the ladders and ransom note and wait for car#2.
On the following day (Tuesday) when Betty Gow and Henry Ellerson drove to Hopewell, a a phone call would be needed to say only that "It's a go. Proceed as planned." This call would be short, accomplished in only a minute or two.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 14:41:16 GMT -5
I have not spent anywhere near the amount of time Michael has on the archive materials. I can say that I have not come across an investigative report for any pharmacy visit concerning Betty Gow. I am not saying it wasn't done. Just that I have not come across it so far. Believe me, I am always looking for such a report. I am also always keeping an eye out for any kind of report on the Peanut Grill confirming Violet Sharp's presence there. So far nothing. Again, such a report may have been done. It just has not turned up yet if it was.
I am not aware of any pharmacy phone log reports. Could it have been done? Perhaps, if LE thought it was necessary. I cannot confirm that it was done.
Since the timeline of when Ellerson and Gow left the Morrow home on March 1st varies a bit, I think it is safe to assume they probably did not leave before 11:30 Tuesday morning. So if the theory is that Ellerson made a call from the pharmacy phone booth to tip off the kidnappers for a Tuesday night snatch, then that call would not have happened until closer to 12 noon. Depending on which camp a researcher sits in regarding Hochmuth and his sighting of the car with the ladder in it on Tuesday, March 1st, his claim was that he saw the car in the morning hours before noon. So that ladder and the kidnapper(s) were already in Hopewell. Ellerson's tip off call doesn't work at the time he would be making that call.
If that ladder is in the Hopewell area in the morning hours of March 1st, then Hauptmann did not bring it there.
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Post by truthseeker on Aug 5, 2020 21:40:17 GMT -5
I absolutely believe Charlie was raised in Stockley Center and then as a young adult, likely farmed out or adopted, but in the area of lower Delaware. Possibly Millsboro. The aunt that I talked about swearing she knew who he was and and where he was, worked there for many decades and at one point was involved in the release of certain patients considered functional and not severely mentally challenged. If alive now, Charlie would be nearly 90 years old, so he may be deceased.
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Post by truthseeker888 on Aug 5, 2020 21:57:27 GMT -5
I keep praying for a miracle (I do believe in them) to lead me to a source who can do "cold case" investigation into this horrible injustice in which an innocent man was execute for a murder that never happened. DNA evidence on the babies shirt and other articles from the nursery has been confiscated from the museum long ago by the Lindbergh family when it was used to determine Charles senior had many illegitimate children. The family assumed rights no other would have today. Also, the initial note left in the nursery and the envelope which contained the ransom notes surely had DNA as well.
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Post by truthseeker888 on Aug 5, 2020 22:01:23 GMT -5
I keep praying for a miracle (I do believe in them) to lead me to a source who can do "cold case" investigation into this horrible injustice in which an innocent man was execute for a murder that never happened. DNA evidence on the babies shirt and other articles from the nursery has been confiscated from the museum long ago by the Lindbergh family when it was used to determine Charles senior had many illegitimate children. The family assumed rights no other would have today. Also, the initial note left in the nursery and the envelope which contained the ransom notes surely had DNA as well. I retract the statement "when it was used to determine Charles Senior had many illegitimate children". The DNA from a family member was the source of the proof of the identity of Lindbergh's other children.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 7:46:04 GMT -5
I, too, wish there could be DNA testing done on the ransom note envelopes. There are still a lot of unanswered questions regarding this crime. If there is recoverable DNA in this form where might it lead us?
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Post by wolfman666 on Aug 6, 2020 8:43:43 GMT -5
to hauptman amy
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Post by Joe on Aug 7, 2020 19:18:02 GMT -5
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Post by wolfman666 on Aug 11, 2020 8:53:46 GMT -5
who else
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