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Post by Michael on Nov 30, 2018 14:01:19 GMT -5
cant wait to debate rail 16 will see what v3 brings. im loaded with wood stuff and was in the attic Well Steve the facts aren't disputable. What's in the files is what's in the files. The problem is that those who are used to telling everyone what to believe don't know what's in most of them. However, what can be debated are how one interprets the new facts. Some do hate new facts to consider because that can cause "work." Work meaning thinking a little bit while they'd rather just depend on the mistakes of the past. Its easier that way (I guess). Anyway I can promise there's something about Rail 16 no one knows about because a rusty staple is hard to get around without breaking it.
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Post by Wayne on Nov 30, 2018 21:07:18 GMT -5
cant wait to debate rail 16 will see what v3 brings. im loaded with wood stuff and was in the attic Hey Wolf, If you have time, please take a look at the second posting on this topic. I've looked at the 5 joists taken from Hauptmann's attic (they are at the NJSP Museum) and the only thing that still puzzles me about Rail 16 (with it's 4 nail holes) is that there are 6 nail holes across the 5 joists. Why would the joists have more holes that Rail 16? Any thoughts?
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HI Mary.
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Dec 28, 2018 7:42:24 GMT -5
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Post by Joe on Dec 28, 2018 7:42:24 GMT -5
Hey Wolf, If you have time, please take a look at the second posting on this topic. I've looked at the 5 joists taken from Hauptmann's attic (they are at the NJSP Museum) and the only thing that still puzzles me about Rail 16 (with it's 4 nail holes) is that there are 6 nail holes across the 5 joists. Why would the joists have more holes that Rail 16? Any thoughts? That's a great question Wayne, and I'm not sure what to make of the extra two holes either. It's clear to me though that the only way the critical four holes that relate to Rail 16 could have been made in those joists, would have been during the original nailing of the toe board, (Board 27) that includes Rail 16 and S-226, which are of course related through their grain and ring relationships. The holes in Rail 16 were photographed and appeared in the Springfield Gazette on March 3, 1932, so their relationship to the four holes in the joists was established well before Hauptmann's arrest. Is it possible that extra holes may have been created during the Columbia University evaluation, perhaps as some means of gauging the relative depths of the original holes with the cut nails? The only other explanation I can think of is that, during Koski's original nailing of the attic floor toe board, (Board 27) another board was first laid and started, but then pulled up for some unknown reason.
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Dec 28, 2018 9:42:30 GMT -5
Post by Michael on Dec 28, 2018 9:42:30 GMT -5
Is it possible that extra holes may have been created during the Columbia University evaluation, perhaps as some means of gauging the relative depths of the original holes with the cut nails? The only other explanation I can think of is that, during Koski's original nailing of the attic floor toe board, (Board 27) another board was first laid and started, but then pulled up for some unknown reason. They weren't creating holes at Columbia - they were cracking open the existing holes. So I'd say I don't consider that an option - but of course that doesn't mean you have to go with it. But there's nothing in the documentation to suggest they were testing holes by creating them there.
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Jan 6, 2019 13:11:07 GMT -5
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Post by Michael on Jan 6, 2019 13:11:07 GMT -5
Quick update: Done with the Wood and on to J.J. Faulkner....
The topic of "J. J. Faulkner" could (like Condon) be a book all by itself. So my goal is to bring out some new stuff or inject "old" with new material which complements it. I am going to (at least try to) avoid re-hashing everything. But I've learned from both V1 & V2 that its "easy" to create an outline but very difficult to stick to it. There's too much I see as I write which causes me to include it. So hopefully everything goes according to plan... More than anything else this book will be for those who have advanced knowledge (like our Board) about the case.
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Jan 6, 2019 13:38:01 GMT -5
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Post by Michael on Jan 6, 2019 13:38:01 GMT -5
Here's a quick "window" into my research which is exemplified in my notes. Over time I've kept a notebook for each year (beginning in 2000 to present) that I've gone down to the NJSP so I could attempt to keep track of things: (1) Page from the 2003 notebook: imgur.com/a/sdqV0Kd
(1) Page from the 2004 notebook: imgur.com/a/rpXNfof Now by comparison, we know from what Luf told us that the "Experts" from the other Board have said I've done a "poor" job of researching my books. What might a page look like from their notebooks made while researching at the NJSP Archives (from ANY year)?: imgur.com/a/EKhaFF0 Don't let people who do not do Archival research TELL you what to and what not to believe!!! Ask them how many years, months, days, or minutes they spent in the Archives before they try to belittle, intimidate, or talk themselves up as an "Expert." Don't be surprised if they ignore the question, or say it isn't "necessary" before quickly changing the subject.
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Post by Michael on Jul 22, 2019 7:49:24 GMT -5
For anyone interested this looks to be the TOC for V3: 1. Additions And Errata
2. The “Perfect” Child
3. Schippell’s Shack
4. J. J. Faulkner
5. The Wood Evidence
6. Justice Is Served Of course due to my nature - as well as the nature of the subjects - it could change. Don't let the fact that there are only six chapters fool you. This has the potential of being bigger than V2 which is why I had to push Birrritella over to V4 (if there is one). Still adding to Chapter Six now. No time table because after Six I still have some additions to Chapter One before the clean up begins. I know many do not like that there is no index but again - I feel strongly that if one were done people would "index surf" and that would defeat the purpose of the book. It cannot be read that way or you will miss vital information that complements or ties in with other points and subjects. In Chapter Five I address Rail 16 as expected. This matter is solved for me and once read, I believe most will believe it's finally solved as well. In Chapter Six I've put everything I know about the Juror who was bribed out there. There is absolutely no doubt this occurred and I'll leave it up to the reader to decide what significance it had.
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Post by trojanusc on Jul 22, 2019 22:40:04 GMT -5
For anyone interested this looks to be the TOC for V3: 1. Additions And Errata
2. The “Perfect” Child
3. Schippell’s Shack
4. J. J. Faulkner
5. The Wood Evidence
6. Justice Is Served Of course due to my nature - as well as the nature of the subjects - it could change. Don't let the fact that there are only six chapters fool you. This has the potential of being bigger than V2 which is why I had to push Birrritella over to V4 (if there is one). Still adding to Chapter Six now. No time table because after Six I still have some additions to Chapter One before the clean up begins. I know many do not like that there is no index but again - I feel strongly that if one were done people would "index surf" and that would defeat the purpose of the book. It cannot be read that way or you will miss vital information that complements or ties in with other points and subjects. In Chapter Five I address Rail 16 as expected. This matter is solved for me and once read, I believe most will believe it's finally solved as well. In Chapter Six I've put everything I know about the Juror who was bribed out there. There is absolutely no doubt this occurred and I'll leave it up to the reader to decide what significance it had. Still crossing fingers you do an "Afterwards" and connect some of your dots for us!
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Post by Michael on Jul 23, 2019 8:39:07 GMT -5
Still crossing fingers you do an "Afterwards" and connect some of your dots for us! If that were to happen I think it would have to wait until V4. I am quite sure what I do isn't "normal" to begin with but I am outside of my outline now as I write about a subject I never intended to because of the way things shook out. It's hard to explain other than to say in detailing something, other important information/tangents arise that need to be mentioned which I did not foresee when I began. There's just too much information that needs attention that any hope of simplifying a topic never works out.
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Jul 23, 2019 8:42:35 GMT -5
Post by wolfman666 on Jul 23, 2019 8:42:35 GMT -5
rail 16was solved a long time ago. its been ripped apart plenty of times very damaging evidence
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Post by Michael on Jul 23, 2019 8:51:07 GMT -5
rail 16was solved a long time ago. its been ripped apart plenty of times very damaging evidence The historical scenario isn't correct. Therefore, it was never solved.
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Jul 23, 2019 8:54:13 GMT -5
Post by Michael on Jul 23, 2019 8:54:13 GMT -5
I can't wait to read about the "perfect child"!!! That is what bothers me the most - Charlie - his health and what happened to him. I know you've done a ton of research along these lines so hopefully some of what I've included will be of interest.
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Jul 25, 2019 11:11:53 GMT -5
Post by wolfman666 on Jul 25, 2019 11:11:53 GMT -5
mike wood experts time and time again convinced me that rail 16 came from that attic. when I was up there I took pictures the whole flooring is southern pine that I noticed. keraga studied rail 16 for 5 years
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Jul 25, 2019 12:09:07 GMT -5
Post by Michael on Jul 25, 2019 12:09:07 GMT -5
mike wood experts time and time again convinced me that rail 16 came from that attic. when I was up there I took pictures the whole flooring is southern pine that I noticed. keraga studied rail 16 for 5 years Here's the thing Steve... I've been at this for 20 years and I had the benefit of everyone else's research while doing my own simultaneously. Call that "unfair" if you like I don't mind but I used everything I could possibly find to assist me. It's easy to simply believe what everyone else tells you to. It's hard to check everything they say against the actual documentation. Believe me its hard because I'm the first to do it for a reason. What I've come up with solves Rail 16. That's my position. Certainly if it had been "solved" previously I'd have nothing to add on the subject. The problem lies in the supposition that there are only two rock solid possibilities: That Hauptmann either crawled up in his attic to cannibalize the floor OR it's fake and Hauptmann was framed. However - those are NOT the only two. There are a whole host of circumstances to be explored then explained - and I take every bit of the chapter in V3 to do it. Some might disagree, I don't know, but I'm willing to believe those who do secretly don't. Still though, I used to believe that its hard to disagree without first seeing what I've come up with although I've come to accept over the years that is an ability many must enjoy that I do not myself possess.
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Jul 25, 2019 17:34:50 GMT -5
Post by trojanusc on Jul 25, 2019 17:34:50 GMT -5
mike wood experts time and time again convinced me that rail 16 came from that attic. when I was up there I took pictures the whole flooring is southern pine that I noticed. keraga studied rail 16 for 5 years Here's the thing Steve... I've been at this for 20 years and I had the benefit of everyone else's research while doing my own simultaneously. Call that "unfair" if you like I don't mind but I used everything I could possibly find to assist me. It's easy to simply believe what everyone else tells you to. It's hard to check everything they say against the actual documentation. Believe me its hard because I'm the first to do it for a reason. What I've come up with solves Rail 16. That's my position. Certainly if it had been "solved" previously I'd have nothing to add on the subject. The problem lies in the supposition that there are only two rock solid possibilities: That Hauptmann either crawled up in his attic to cannibalize the floor OR it's fake and Hauptmann was framed. However - those are NOT the only two. There are a whole host of circumstances to be explored then explained - and I take every bit of the chapter in V3 to do it. Some might disagree, I don't know, but I'm willing to believe those who do secretly don't. Still though, I used to believe that its hard to disagree without first seeing what I've come up with although I've come to accept over the years that is an ability many must enjoy that I do not myself possess. Does your theory here go beyond the "it was thrown out the window when they were wiring up there" theory you've mentioned in the past?
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Jul 27, 2019 8:09:44 GMT -5
Post by Michael on Jul 27, 2019 8:09:44 GMT -5
Does your theory here go beyond the "it was thrown out the window when they were wiring up there" theory you've mentioned in the past? I think its best left to the book for explanation. There's just too much to explain and it all ties together. I truly believe, if I've done it "right," that everything that occurred will end the debate. I try to show everything point by point with full citation and examples from every step of the way up until the 2000s. That includes the 70s & 80s. I've heard over the years that certain things were "never" done or evaluated ... etc. Those types of comments, although presented as fact, come from those "pretending" to know or merely making an assumption but present it in a way that seems like they actually know what they are talking about. They do not. As I've stated before ... There's an A & B collection of the State Police files. Originally, I was told "B" contained "copies" of "A." So when I first started, I checked a folder in "B" and saw onion skin copies. From that point I avoided that collection to save time. However, over the years I've found that some copies in "B" are the only source for a document missing in "A." Furthermore, there is unique material scattered throughout. Now imagine someone who hasn't even visited? Or has but spend only a month, week, or day there? Think they looked through any file in "B?" Also, in the NJSP Archives there are "normal" files as one would expect. But there are some items sealed with staples, clipped together with metal paper clips, tied together with string, and in "boxes" stored in a closet. Some paperclips look normal. Some are "rusty" and have almost become part of the document itself. Some staples are rusty too - sometimes very rusty. Some string can be untied while other string disintegrated once touched. Now who do you think was there before me once I asked Mark to open up rusty staples or untie strings that falls into dust? So when I hear about how people figured all of this out previously I can understand why so much about this case remained a mystery for so long. Still though, each and every time I went back through every collection I saw things I "missed" or "overlooked" because I didn't understand the value. Each time back around I was more knowledgeable, therefore, information that seemed trivial the last time suddenly became very important. Amy can back me up on this. She's already light years ahead of where I was in the time she's been going there.
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Post by wolfman666 on Jul 29, 2019 12:18:29 GMT -5
ive been at it since 1992. im convinced rail 16 was part of the wood labeled 226. this has been torn up for years. when I was in the attic the whole attic looked like rail 16. we know its the same type of wood southern pine. mike can nitpick this all day but the basic facts remain the wood is very strong evidence in this case
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Jul 30, 2019 1:28:15 GMT -5
Post by jack7 on Jul 30, 2019 1:28:15 GMT -5
In my opinion it's not worth buying any more books to see what the latest "deathbed confession" is.
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Post by Michael on Jul 30, 2019 7:47:01 GMT -5
In my opinion it's not worth buying any more books to see what the latest "deathbed confession" is. There was only one. Since Dave knew about it perhaps you did too? If so it seems your in the top 1% and there's nothing for you to learn anyway. So yes, it's best to save your money Jack. ive been at it since 1992. im convinced rail 16 was part of the wood labeled 226. this has been torn up for years. when I was in the attic the whole attic looked like rail 16. we know its the same type of wood southern pine. mike can nitpick this all day but the basic facts remain the wood is very strong evidence in this case I know how long you've been at it Steve. But since you've already committed yourself you won't change that position no matter what. So I'm never going to teach an old dog new tricks. But what I am going to do is demonstrate from the actual source documentation what really occurred. Some of that documentation no one ever looked at before, or, did not accumulate everything to properly evaluate it. What I've noticed is that many people cut corners to save time. I get it. But there's no way in hell you can tell me I'm wrong about information you've never laid eyes on. But yet here you are doing exactly that. See my point? So I'd ask you to wait to see what I lay out and demonstrate before saying I am wrong about anything. There's always room for debate - but good faith can only exist if one knows what the other side is first.
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Jul 30, 2019 9:51:13 GMT -5
Post by jack7 on Jul 30, 2019 9:51:13 GMT -5
Well, most of us believe that rail 16 and the rest of the ladder came flopping into the LKC scent on day 1 and hasn't changed since. I'm game to look though, sounds like something else is up with the old info. Hope it's good.
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Jul 30, 2019 11:14:31 GMT -5
Post by wolfman666 on Jul 30, 2019 11:14:31 GMT -5
I will never say your wrong just when you look at something for all these years you come to conclusions
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Jul 30, 2019 11:16:12 GMT -5
Post by wolfman666 on Jul 30, 2019 11:16:12 GMT -5
I fully understand mike
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Post by hurtelable on Jan 24, 2020 8:59:07 GMT -5
Here's something ironic(?) that comes up in the detailed section of Volume III concerning Hauptmann's execution. The very same Dr. Charles Mitchell, who did the autopsy on the child's body found in the woods back in May 1932, came back nearly four years later in April 1936 to verify that Hauptmann had died in the electric chair. Not only that, but he wrote a magazine article about his experience with the Hauptmann execution. Not necessarily that he was doing anything sinister, but Mitchell seems to have have some weird fascination with death.
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Post by Michael on Jan 24, 2020 10:32:02 GMT -5
Here's something ironic(?) that comes up in the detailed section of Volume III concerning Hauptmann's execution. The very same Dr. Charles Mitchell, who did the autopsy on the child's body found in the woods back in May 1932, came back nearly four years later in April 1936 to verify that Hauptmann had died in the electric chair. Not only that, but he wrote a magazine article about his experience with the Hauptmann execution. Not necessarily that he was doing anything sinister, but Mitchell seems to have have some weird fascination with death. Remember that Dr. Mitchell was the Mercer County Physician. However, this type of "thing" occurred with many people involved with this case in some way. This might be the wrong adjective but "multidimensional" comes to mind. I try to show these different connections in my books because, I think, we've all been conditioned to believe certain people merely played one role in a specific point in time. This idea comes from the previous books or "historical" accounts, because hey, if it isn't mentioned then it never happened - right? Well now it is mentioned (much to the dismay of those who want to remember the case as it was). Look at the others as well... Lt. Hicks for example. The guy worked for the Prosecutor's office early in the case, worked on the Gaston Means case, came back to work for the State on Hauptmann before, during, and after the trial. As it turned out, if Hicks hadn't been working for the Prosecution, Farrar would have been paid even less. This for fees, I believe, he should never have billed in the first place. Then later Hicks becomes a part of the Governor's re-investigation team. The guy was in the middle of everything during most phases of this case, and yet, what books record all of these activities? Like I wrote in my book, the people who worked on behalf of the Governor's efforts were often belittled as "fools" and "idiots" but the part about how they did a good job when working for the State got completely omitted and as a result seemingly lost to history. Well now it is mentioned (once again to the dismay of those who want the old narratives to remain).
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Jun 27, 2020 13:00:28 GMT -5
Post by lilibean on Jun 27, 2020 13:00:28 GMT -5
I read volume 1 and am almost finished with volume 2. I am a firm believer that Lindbergh did this. Before reading your book I could never figure out how he mailed the ransom notes, but seeing how he was always with Dr. Condon and Breckenridge at Condon's home. I am convinced that they wrote them at Condon's Table. I believe this got out of hand for Lindbergh that is why he did not want the ransom money marked. I feel that he did not want anyone to get caught and hopefully the body of his son would just disappear in the woods. But since he FBI demanded they be in Gold Certificates, He had to continue the ruse. He sent an innocent man to his death. I do not believe Hauptman had ANYTHING to do with the kidnapping. I believe that if the NJSP allowed DNA testing on the ransom envelopes they will find Lindbergh's DNA.
My Husband is a retired Detective so this is something that we continue to investigate. I would love to discuss more with you. I recently got Hauptmanns autobiography. Will be starting that tomorrow. Have you ever thought of invesigating the Hall-Mills case? That is one we also have investigated.
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I read volume 1 and am almost finished with volume 2. I am a firm believer that Lindbergh did this. Before reading your book I could never figure out how he mailed the ransom notes, but seeing how he was always with Dr. Condon and Breckenridge at Condon's home. I am convinced that they wrote them at Condon's Table. I believe this got out of hand for Lindbergh that is why he did not want the ransom money marked. I feel that he did not want anyone to get caught and hopefully the body of his son would just disappear in the woods. But since he FBI demanded they be in Gold Certificates, He had to continue the ruse. He sent an innocent man to his death. I do not believe Hauptman had ANYTHING to do with the kidnapping. I believe that if the NJSP allowed DNA testing on the ransom envelopes they will find Lindbergh's DNA. My Husband is a retired Detective so this is something that we continue to investigate. I would love to discuss more with you. I recently got Hauptmanns autobiography. Will be starting that tomorrow. Have you ever thought of invesigating the Hall-Mills case? That is one we also have investigated. I Hello lilibean, and welcome to the board. Thank you for making your post. So glad that you are reading Michael's books! They are so well researched and offer so much important information about the investigation surrounding this crime. They will help you to grow in your knowledge and challenge your understanding of this case. You will never look at this crime the same after reading Michael's books. Wow!! I have never encountered the theory that the ransom notes were created in Condon's home by CAL, Breckinridge and Condon working on them together. This is new for me. I hope you will continue to make posts on the theories you and your husband have. I am very interested in learning more!
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Post by Michael on Jun 29, 2020 9:32:30 GMT -5
I read volume 1 and am almost finished with volume 2. I am a firm believer that Lindbergh did this. Before reading your book I could never figure out how he mailed the ransom notes, but seeing how he was always with Dr. Condon and Breckenridge at Condon's home. I am convinced that they wrote them at Condon's Table. I believe this got out of hand for Lindbergh that is why he did not want the ransom money marked. I feel that he did not want anyone to get caught and hopefully the body of his son would just disappear in the woods. But since he FBI demanded they be in Gold Certificates, He had to continue the ruse. He sent an innocent man to his death. I do not believe Hauptman had ANYTHING to do with the kidnapping. I believe that if the NJSP allowed DNA testing on the ransom envelopes they will find Lindbergh's DNA. Glad to hear you find the information in the books valuable. I think you'll find V3 worthy as well. Have you ever thought of invesigating the Hall-Mills case? That is one we also have investigated. Actually yes. I always wanted to dive into the Battle at Jutland, Hall-Mills, and 3X after I was finished with this case. Mark Falzini took the Meaney case off the list because his book covered just about everything. I believe I have some unique material which concerns 3X and Hall-Mills that I obtained through my research into the Lindbergh Kidnapping. However, there is just so much to this case that I think I'll be dead before the opportunity arises to move on from it. I'm currently working on V4 and frankly, I've just recently decided to just write and toss my outline. By the time I finish I could have more than one volume. My Husband is a retired Detective so this is something that we continue to investigate. I would love to discuss more with you. I recently got Hauptmanns autobiography. Will be starting that tomorrow. Please feel free to post anything you like for discussion. We've got a good group and there's plenty of differing ideas to consider.
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Post by lilibean on Jul 4, 2020 11:51:16 GMT -5
Did they ever find any evidence of notes or paper that Hauptman wrote on that would implicate him in the crime? Also do they know his whereabouts on the night the ransom exchange took place?
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Post by Michael on Jul 5, 2020 5:36:28 GMT -5
Did they ever find any evidence of notes or paper that Hauptman wrote on that would implicate him in the crime? The simple answer is "no." The paper the ransom notes were written on as well as the envelopes were examined by the handwriting experts/scientists. Stein wrote that the paper "could not be identified" which is not be be confused with it being unique. Quite the opposite. Osborn Sr. found water marks on two envelopes marked "Fifth Avenue Linen" which traced back to Woolworth. It was believed it all came from there which made it quite common and widely used paper/envelopes. The ink used to make the symbol was also examined several times. It was determined to be "nigrosine ink" the type most commonly used in schools. QDE Farrar even concluded that the blue ink was "Sheaffers' Script" Royal Blue. The symbol itself was determined to have been made by the top of a cork of a black ink bottle, and the smaller red by the cork of a red ink bottle. The holes were believed to have been made by using a something under the paper as a "gauge." Once police arrested Hauptmann they searched for any evidence concerning all of the above. They found "several sheets" of Fifth Avenue Linen paper in Hauptmann's apartment. They searched for type and colors of ink used in the ransom notes but didn't find any (no mention on any inventory or report). The "gauge" used to make the holes was searched for. A couple of items found in the basement were confiscated (which I believe wound up belonging to the neighbor) but were later determined not to be related. Also do they know his whereabouts on the night the ransom exchange took place? Hauptmann claimed that the first Saturday of every month was a music "date." His friend Hans Kloppenburg testified under oath that they spend the night together on this date playing instruments, drinking coffee, etc.. Skeptics will point out that Kloppenburg, during his earlier statement, claimed it had been too long ago and couldn't remember. His position was, in essence, that after he had time to think about it then he remembered and was now sure of it. I believe Kloppenburg was one of the most honest people on the planet. So, in my opinion, the only way he was "wrong" was if he was mis-remembering the date.
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