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Post by Kailin on Nov 7, 2017 10:49:54 GMT -5
Hello, does anyone have any information on Orville Wilson, who was one of the party that found the baby? Birth/death date? Who he was married to - children? Was he a custodian in later life? There are two Orville Wilsons buried in NJ and I would like to know if one of them is this Orville. Thank you!
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Post by Miss dockendorf on Nov 7, 2017 14:47:33 GMT -5
Looks like Orville was born in 1883 and died in 1970 all in New Jersey. Hope that's the right Orville since there are two.
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Post by Michael on Nov 7, 2017 20:19:15 GMT -5
Hello, does anyone have any information on Orville Wilson, who was one of the party that found the baby? Birth/death date? Who he was married to - children? Was he a custodian in later life? There are two Orville Wilsons buried in NJ and I would like to know if one of them is this Orville. Thank you! Here is a copy of his Official Statement he made to police: imgur.com/a/Jp56xHe also testified in Flemington so there is testimony to review. As far as his personal information I think your best bet would be to search the newspaper archives - there might be an article on his personal life but I haven't seen one. Also this is a really interesting article on William Allen (check out how Lindbergh treated him): www.stoutsburgcemetery.org/stories/william-allen/
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Post by rebekah on Nov 8, 2017 14:41:33 GMT -5
Yes. It is interesting, Michael. Why am I not surprised at Lindbergh's behavior? Different times or just plain arrogance and bigotry?
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Post by feathers on Nov 9, 2017 0:39:51 GMT -5
Miss Dockendorf is right – Orville Wilson was born on 13 April 1883 and died 8 May 1970. He was the son of John S. and Kizziah Wilson. His first wife was Clara Lawshe. They married in 1910 and had one daughter, Vivian, who married Oliver Wilson. Clara died 1942.
Orville and his family lived in Woodsville, near Hopewell.
Early census records list him as being a well-digger. In 1932, Orville was working for Welling S. Titus, House Moving Contractor, located in Glen Moore. By 1942, according to World War II draft records, he was working for a different contractor, Van Live and Van Horn in Flemington. His obituary says he was a retired custodian for the Princeton Seminary.
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Post by kdwv8 on Nov 9, 2017 17:15:44 GMT -5
Why would Allen park his truck and then cross the road to relieve himself? Why wouldn't he stay on the side of the road that his truck was on? I believe there were woods on both sides of the road. Strange! Kind of seems like he was looking for something.
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Post by stella7 on Nov 9, 2017 19:21:34 GMT -5
I think they parked near the orphanage, perhaps he thought that was too public and crossed the street. I've always wondered if there was some word out there about where the baby might be. Why go as far as 75 feet just to pee. Michael, do you know if he crossed one of the streams that are in those woods? And if so, was it filled with water? If he did, I wonder why.
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Post by Kailin on Nov 10, 2017 7:59:15 GMT -5
Thanks all for your replies!
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Post by hurtelable on Nov 10, 2017 8:32:37 GMT -5
I think they parked near the orphanage, perhaps he thought that was too public and crossed the street. I've always wondered if there was some word out there about where the baby might be. Why go as far as 75 feet just to pee. Michael, do you know if he crossed one of the streams that are in those woods? And if so, was it filled with water? If he did, I wonder why. To All: I know it has been speculated by some that the location of the body near the orphanage might indicate that the dead child had been an orphanage resident, and that a check with the orphanage purportedly found no such child who died there recently. But what was the orphanage's usual policy on disposing of bodies of deceased child residents? Would they have just discarded the body in the woods or would they have had a more formal burial or cremation?
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Post by rebekah on Nov 10, 2017 20:56:15 GMT -5
Why would Allen park his truck and then cross the road to relieve himself? Why wouldn't he stay on the side of the road that his truck was on? I believe there were woods on both sides of the road. Strange! Kind of seems like he was looking for something. In the photos of the recovery site, it appears that one side of the road was much more wooded than the other side. ( At one point, there was a hot-dog stand set up to serve the curious ghouls that flocked to the area. ) I don't know in which direction he was driving, but it seems that he entered the more heavily wooded side where he discovered the body.
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Post by Michael on Dec 4, 2017 16:59:34 GMT -5
I seem to recall a discussion where there was a question as to whether or not the child's corpse was found "buried." I have searched the threads and cannot seem to find it. Also, I don't remember what brought it on but think it had to do with one of the books. Am I mis-remembering? Anyway, I went to the Archives today to find a report I needed and I think I should play the lottery because I found it immediately. With time to burn I decided to revisit some places to search for material I may have previously overlooked. In doing so I found a report written by Lt. Keaten that I believe best answers that question: Attachment Deleted***My apologies for missing what is now edited out. A complete oversight on my part.
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Post by hurtelable on Dec 4, 2017 20:48:20 GMT -5
I seem to recall a discussion where there was a question as to whether or not the child's corpse was found "buried." I have searched the threads and cannot seem to find it. Also, I don't remember what brought it on but think it had to do with one of the books. Am I mis-remembering? Anyway, I went to the Archives today to find a report I needed and I think I should play the lottery because I found it immediately. With time to burn I decided to revisit some places to search for material I may have previously overlooked. In doing so I found a report written by Lt. Keaten that I believe best answers that question: ***My apologies for missing what is now edited out. A complete oversight on my part. Michael, seems as if the posted report by L.t. Keaton raises more questions than it answers: (1) Are you sure the "Wilson" who accompanied Keaton on that particular day was the same Orvile Wilson involved in finding the dead child's body? (2) Now why would Keaton be taking (presumably) Orville Wilson to talk to the Narcotic Bureau agent in charge about McCann? (Would presume that Keaton thought that Wilson and McCann might have known each other in NJ -via drugs?) (3) Same question with respect to the Birratellas: Why would Keaton be taking (presumably) Orville Wilson to the Birratellas' post office? (Would presume Keation thought that Wilson may have had some connection to the Birratellas.) (4) Was (A) McCann and/or (B) the Birratellas ever interviewed by law enforcement in connection to the LKC?
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Post by Michael on Dec 4, 2017 22:27:47 GMT -5
The "Wilson" mentioned in the report is the famous Frank Wilson of the Treasury Department. They were basically partners in the Lindbergh investigation until he was withdrawn from the case.
McCann was interviewed, and this report exemplifies something I've always tried to impress upon those who aren't familiar with these reports that multiple subjects can be included in just one report.
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Post by hurtelable on Dec 5, 2017 17:34:05 GMT -5
The "Wilson" mentioned in the report is the famous Frank Wilson of the Treasury Department. They were basically partners in the Lindbergh investigation until he was withdrawn from the case. McCann was interviewed, and this report exemplifies something I've always tried to impress upon those who aren't familiar with these reports that multiple subjects can be included in just one report. To Michael: (1) Not accusing you of deliberate trickery, Michael, but I have to confess that I got confused between the two different Wilsons there, since the title of the thread is "Orville Wilson." (2) To All: Would anyone care to speculate on what drug or drugs McCann was selling when he was busted on two different occasions? Apparently, the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT made the second arrest, so that might be a clue. (marijuana?)
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Post by Michael on Dec 6, 2017 8:34:11 GMT -5
To Michael: (1) Not accusing you of deliberate trickery, Michael, but I have to confess that I got confused between the two different Wilsons there, since the title of the thread is "Orville Wilson." (2) To All: Would anyone care to speculate on what drug or drugs McCann was selling when he was busted on two different occasions? Apparently, the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT made the second arrest, so that might be a clue. (marijuana?) Sorry for the confusion. I posted the document here because I couldn't find the discussion I remembered and due to the fact this thread was about the burial site.
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