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Post by dave on Feb 21, 2019 14:59:57 GMT -5
Micheal when can I look for volume 3 of Dark Corners? Have a project need volume 3!
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Post by Michael on Feb 23, 2019 10:47:47 GMT -5
Micheal when can I look for volume 3 of Dark Corners? Have a project need volume 3! No date for V3. Still working hard on it. Just wrapping up the chapter on J. J. Faulkner now. If I had stuck to my original outline it would be done. Unfortunately, as I write more and more stuff comes to me which I have to add. I think you know what I mean and I think V2 is a perfect example of this. But anyway I am wrapping up J. J. Faulkner now and should only have 3 chapters left.
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Post by Joe on Feb 25, 2019 9:18:55 GMT -5
Amy, I've just tried attaching the Huddleson Report to this message but apparently it's too large a file to send. Thanks Joe for your efforts to attach this report. I did get a copy from Mark Falzini. He is such a helpful and friendly man. I guess it will be difficult to discuss this report in any detail. Perhaps just pages can be targeted for discussion?? Just so myself and others are clear, this examination of Hauptmann was made strictly to confirm whether or not Hauptmann was competent to stand trial. Correct? Amy, the evaluation by the psychiatrists (alienists) appears to coincide with Fawcett's handling of Hauptmann's defense, and that would be my guess. I believe a lot of those details would have been protected by lawyer - client confidentiality. Hauptmann's two page mini-autobiography with it's very specific wartime content written to Fawcett three days after his evaluation, and which demonstrates a marked similarity with the ransom note writing, suggests to me that Fawcett was possibly working on the angle of having Hauptmann's wartime helmet strike by a shell splinter (concussion?) entered into consideration for his actions. It's good to hear you were able to get a copy of the Huddleson Report. Were you able to get all 23 pages, and if so, could you possibly post it?
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Post by Wayne on Feb 25, 2019 9:52:24 GMT -5
Hi Amy,
I'm guessing we have the same Huddleson Report from Mark. Are you missing pages 15 and 17?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 10:26:36 GMT -5
Amy, the evaluation by the psychiatrists (alienists) appears to coincide with Fawcett's handling of Hauptmann's defense, and that would be my guess. I believe a lot of those details would have been protected by lawyer - client confidentiality. Hauptmann's two page mini-autobiography with it's very specific wartime content written to Fawcett three days after his evaluation, and which demonstrates a marked similarity with the ransom note writing, suggests to me that Fawcett was possibly working on the angle of having Hauptmann's wartime helmet strike by a shell splinter (concussion?) entered into consideration for his actions. It's good to hear you were able to get a copy of the Huddleson Report. Were you able to get all 23 pages, and if so, could you possibly post it? Joe, This 2 -page mini-autobiography you mention, I don't think I have ever seen that. Is there any chance those two pages could actually be pages 15 and 17 that became separated from the Huddleson Report?? I have what is considered 23 pages. However there are the missing pages so it is not really 23 pages. I will see what I can do about getting it posted on the board.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 10:30:15 GMT -5
Hi Amy, I'm guessing we have the same Huddleson Report from Mark. Are you missing pages 15 and 17? Hi Wayne! Yes, It is the copy Mark has possession of. Yes, I am missing pages 15 and 17 also. If you could, Wayne, can you check your copy. I think page 22 is missing also. The end of the text on page 21 doesn't line up with page 23 correctly. Please check and let me know. Maybe I just missed copying that page?? If so, I will want to get it copied on my next trip to the archives.
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Post by Wayne on Feb 25, 2019 11:09:31 GMT -5
If you could, Wayne, can you check your copy. I think page 22 is missing also. The end of the text on page 21 doesn't line up with page 23 correctly. Please check and let me know. Maybe I just missed copying that page?? If so, I will want to get it copied on my next trip to the archives. Hey Amy! It's a bit hard to read, but I'm pretty sure I have page 22. I am unable to post the entire doc here, but I can post page 22. Do you have this? --
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 11:24:00 GMT -5
Hey Amy! It's a bit hard to read, but I'm pretty sure I have page 22. I am unable to post the entire doc here, but I can post page 22. Do you have this? -- Much thanks, Wayne! I definitely missed it when I made my copy. So, yes. We have the same Huddleson report. I wonder what ever happened to pages 15 and 17 since Fisher's letter states they were missing when he received his copy. Ugh! What might we be missing about Hauptmann that might be important to know??
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Post by Wayne on Feb 25, 2019 12:57:20 GMT -5
Much thanks, Wayne! I definitely missed it when I made my copy. So, yes. We have the same Huddleson report. I wonder what ever happened to pages 15 and 17 since Fisher's letter states they were missing when he received his copy. Ugh! What might we be missing about Hauptmann that might be important to know?? I'm sure nothing too important -- only the part where BRH confessed to everything Michael and Wolf -- do you guys have pages 15 & 17?
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Post by wolfman666 on Feb 25, 2019 20:58:50 GMT -5
Hi Amy, I'm guessing we have the same Huddleson Report from Mark. Are you missing pages 15 and 17?
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Post by Michael on Feb 26, 2019 10:04:28 GMT -5
Michael and Wolf -- do you guys have pages 15 & 17? I do not think there is a page 15. What I believe happened was that page 16 was originally page 15 which is why its "over-written" to say "16." If you look at the bottom of page 20 it says "Summary of this Report will be found on pp. 16 and 17."
This should be the page 17 everyone is missing... If not let me know: imgur.com/a/Cf5Goo0
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 10:45:39 GMT -5
Thanks Michael for posting that page!! Looking over my copy I see what you are saying about the numbering of the pages. Also, page 17 picks up where page 16 leaves off. This is perfect!!
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Post by Wayne on Feb 26, 2019 10:52:13 GMT -5
Thanks Michael! Yep, that's the one page that was missing. Most impressive!
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Post by wolfman666 on Feb 26, 2019 11:26:43 GMT -5
okay the history of this report begins with my friend frank pichzzello he was one of the first volenteers to organize the njsp archives in the late 80s. he also was in the mock trial play in Flemington when huddlesons I think grand nephew told him he had the report and sent it to him. he sent a copy to jim fisher and it first appeared in ghost of Hopewell.
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Post by wolfman666 on Feb 26, 2019 11:28:45 GMT -5
I was looking for my other copy and ran across godfrey burns autograph copy of his book on the case. forgot I had it. I wonder how much its worth
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 13:36:57 GMT -5
I was looking for my other copy and ran across godfrey burns autograph copy of his book on the case. forgot I had it. I wonder how much its worth Steve, who is Godfrey Burns?? Is he related in any way to Rev. Vincent Burns who interrupted the Hauptmann trial saying someone had confessed to him about the Lindbergh kidnapping?
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Post by Wayne on Feb 26, 2019 13:45:22 GMT -5
Steve, who is Godfrey Burns?? Is he related in any way to Rev. Vincent Burns who interrupted the Hauptmann trial saying someone had confessed to him about the Lindbergh kidnapping? Steve, Are you talking about his book -- New Light on the Lindbergh Kidnapping Mystery? Is it worth reading? Anything new? I knew the guy was a poet, but didn't know he wrote about the Lindbergh case. If that's the book, it's almost impossible to find.
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Post by Michael on Feb 26, 2019 13:45:46 GMT -5
Thanks. I think this proves my memory was correct about finding it in two different places. I haven't been to the Archives yet this year but I have to make another trip once again soon so 18 years still isn't enough. Over the years I've re-evaluated much of what I have and learned there were some things "missing." I'll share something now while its on my mind.... I was going through a Ho-age document and he referred to a set of Grand Jury testimony from Condon which I do not have. So I've spent days at the Archives searching for it to no avail. Obviously if I ever did come across it - it wouldn't be in a place anyone would expect. This sort of thing can happen a lot and why I found the need to go through everything down there.
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Post by Wayne on Feb 26, 2019 14:36:16 GMT -5
I was going through a Ho-age document and he referred to a set of Grand Jury testimony from Condon which I do not have. So I've spent days at the Archives searching for it to no avail. Obviously if I ever did come across it - it wouldn't be in a place anyone would expect. This sort of thing can happen a lot and why I found the need to go through everything down there. Michael, Are you talking about the May 20, 1932 Grand Jury testimony that Condon gave to Breslin (it's in 2 parts -- "Exhibit No. 1 and Exhibit no, 2)? I've got it, if that's what you're looking for.
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Post by Michael on Feb 26, 2019 14:41:07 GMT -5
Michael, Are you talking about the May 20, 1932 Grand Jury testimony that Condon gave to Breslin (it's in 2 parts -- "Exhibit No. 1 and Exhibit no, 2)? I've got it, if that's what you're looking for. Wayne, I've got those too. Believe it or not there is another section that I cannot find. Ho-age refers to it in his summary to Hoffman and its listed as an Exhibit ... I'd have to check but from memory he lists both 1 & 2 and this one is referred to as No. 4. I've always believed I'd find it but its definitely not down there. Might be something for Scathma to check! Ho-age may have never returned the copy.
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Post by scathma on Feb 26, 2019 15:11:51 GMT -5
I'll have to look for that on my next visit; That doesn't jump out at me as something I ran across. Here is a list of what the collection contains: oac.cdlib.org/findaid/ark:/13030/kt4580136c/entire_text/I started at Box 1 Folder 1 but got bogged down with reading and trying to take more detailed notes on each file's contents. Then I decided to take pictures of documents using my phone's camera with mixed results. Next time I want to spend more time on Box 4. The "typescript drafts" in that box looked like interesting reading.
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Post by scathma on Feb 26, 2019 15:15:03 GMT -5
Box 2 folder #12 might be a good place to look but its dated as circa 1936:
Box 2, Folder 12
Report to Hoffman on John Condon 1936.
Physical Description: Typescript drafts.
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Post by Wayne on Feb 26, 2019 15:16:42 GMT -5
Wayne, I've got those too. Believe it or not there is another section that I cannot find. Ho-age refers to it in his summary to Hoffman and its listed as an Exhibit ... I'd have to check but from memory he lists both 1 & 2 and this one is referred to as No. 4. I've always believed I'd find it but its definitely not down there. Might be something for Scathma to check! Ho-age may have never returned the copy. Michael, Very interesting. I've never heard of a reference to Exhibits 3 and 4 before. Definitely worth looking for. Scathma, It's up to you, dude! No pressure
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Post by Michael on Feb 27, 2019 10:09:43 GMT -5
Box 2 folder #12 might be a good place to look but its dated as circa 1936: Box 2, Folder 12 Report to Hoffman on John Condon 1936. Physical Description: Typescript drafts. I think this might be that report: www.lindberghkidnappinghoax.com/egoist.pdfThis comes from the NJSP Archives and I believe it was who Joe shared it with Ronelle. Like I said earlier - there's quite a bit of his stuff at the Archives up to a certain date then anything after that won't be in NJ. Thanks for the inventory list Scathma. I don't believe its listed there. My advice is for you to simply learn from and explore any collection or place you visit. Don't be influenced by anything other than what YOU are interested in. I am impressed with your efforts for having visited two separate archives already - one in California and the other in New Jersey. It's pretty awesome.
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Post by Michael on Feb 27, 2019 10:20:42 GMT -5
Very interesting. I've never heard of a reference to Exhibits 3 and 4 before. Definitely worth looking for. No. 3 is his May 14th statement to Breslin. Ho-age makes reference to each No. 1, 2, and 3 along with the page #. For 3 he references "D. A. Breslin" and for 1 & 2 he references "Grand Jury." For No. 4 he references "Grand Jury." It's handwritten so I am beginning to think it might have been an ex post facto addition from either 1 or 2 among other documents within Exhibit No. 4. That might explain it.
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Post by Wayne on Feb 27, 2019 13:10:41 GMT -5
No. 3 is his May 14th statement to Breslin. Ho-age makes reference to each No. 1, 2, and 3 along with the page #. For 3 he references "D. A. Breslin" and for 1 & 2 he references "Grand Jury." For No. 4 he references "Grand Jury." It's handwritten so I am beginning to think it might have been an ex post facto addition from either 1 or 2 among other documents within Exhibit No. 4. That might explain it. That makes sense. I can't wait to read your take on Condon in V3!
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Post by scathma on Feb 27, 2019 13:55:21 GMT -5
I think this might be that report: www.lindberghkidnappinghoax.com/egoist.pdfThis comes from the NJSP Archives and I believe it was who Joe shared it with Ronelle. Like I said earlier - there's quite a bit of his stuff at the Archives up to a certain date then anything after that won't be in NJ. The seed for “The Story of Dr. John F. Condon ‘Egoist’ Extraordinary” appears to have been planted when Hoffman asked Ho-age for his “personal reactions” on Condon. Below is a letter from Ho-age to Hoffman about a month before “The Story” is dated. He refers to Condon as “an ‘Egoist’ to the Nth degree" and that Condon “Has it so badly” he is “bordering close to insanity.” Ho-age suggests that “cajolery, flattery and all other weaknesses of mankind” should be used if Condon is questioned again. In closing, he makes it clear that he is not suggesting he is in Hauptmann’s camp (or any other man’s) as the basis for his opinions on Condon. He closes out another letter to Hoffman with a comment on Lindbergh I found telling: “If Hauptmann dies he will be the victim of an exaggerated hero worship.” Attachment DeletedAttachment DeletedAttachment Deleted
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Post by wolfman666 on Feb 27, 2019 16:13:14 GMT -5
I was looking for my other copy and ran across godfrey burns autograph copy of his book on the case. forgot I had it. I wonder how much its worth Steve, who is Godfrey Burns?? Is he related in any way to Rev. Vincent Burns who interrupted the Hauptmann trial saying someone had confessed to him about the Lindbergh kidnapping?
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Post by wolfman666 on Feb 28, 2019 12:12:14 GMT -5
yes I think his name is Vincent godfrey burns he wrote some books. hes the one who barged into the courtroom. he wrote a book called new light in the Lindbergh kidnapping. I hear its hard to get. mine is autographed. I also have a little book they handed to the banks with all the serial numbers when they get gold notes.
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Post by wolfman666 on Feb 28, 2019 12:14:14 GMT -5
yes amy same guy some of his books you can buy on amazon the Lindbergh one his tough I was lucky
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