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Post by rmc1971 on Mar 19, 2008 4:45:23 GMT -5
I have wondered for some time if both Means and Noso tried to run a scam of their own during the ransom negotiations.
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Post by Michael on Mar 20, 2008 16:21:01 GMT -5
I know a lot of people are interested in Noso and I also know Joe's done a lot of research on this end and might have some interesting opinions or facts to add here.... Are you wondering if Noso was involved in the "Means angle" of the case, the main angle, or some other angle? It is alleged that Nosovitsky frequently acted as a stoolpigeion for some of the Department of Justice agents. It is through them that Nosovitsky got acquainted with Gaston B. Means, Morris (Mickey) Rosner, Jacob Spolansky (MB. In 1926 Spolansky told me that he is friendly with Nosovitsky) and others engaged in industrial investigations, strike promoting and strike breaking. (Palmer to Hoffman 5/37) The "new" name mentioned here is Jacob Spolansky: www.marxisthistory.org/history/usa/government/fbi/1921/0709-spolansky-tobrennan.pdf
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Post by rick3 on Mar 20, 2008 16:48:02 GMT -5
I count three solid associations between Noso and Means: - In the BOI together when William J. Burns was Director in 1920s, includes the bombing investigation on Wall Street. [Wash DC]
- Both employed at the William J. Burns International Detective Agency in NYC. Coincidentally, WJ Billy Burns dies 15 April 1932 in Florida?
- Noso and Means were Prohibition Agents under Palmer Canfield....and may have met at the Imperial Hotel in NYC per the Thomas F. Rice letter written to CAL? Coincidentally, Canfield dies from a slip in the tub on 4 April 1934?
- There are very few ways that Means could know about the ransom payment at St. Raymonds unless he was there? MM
- Did Noso also scam $700 bucks from Evalyn Walsh McClean in her search for Charlie Jr? Another conincidence?
- Did we discover why Noso sued Jafsie Condon? and lost?
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Post by Michael on Aug 1, 2008 16:28:42 GMT -5
I've posted a new document in the Members section a couple of days ago...... The Impossible Triangle By Daniela Spenser, Friedrich Katz Contributor Friedrich Katz Published by Duke University Press, 1999 ISBN 0822322897, 9780822322894 254 pages In The Impossible Triangle Daniela Spenser explores the tangled relationship between Russia & Mexico in the years following their own dramatic revolutions, as well as the role played by the United States during this turbulent period. Bringing together Mexican, Soviet, & North American (as well as British) perspectives, Spenser shows how the convergence of each country's domestic & foreign policies precluded them from a harmonious triangular relationship. Based on documents from the archives of several nations-including reports by former Mexican diplomats in Moscow that have never before been studied-the book analyzes the Mexican government's motivation for establishing relations with the Soviet Union in the face of continued imperialist pressure & harsh opposition from the United States. In February 1921, Marsh and Woods hired Jacob Nosovitsky to travel to Mexico and obtain ... Nosovitsky was the right man for the job. Born in Kiev, Ukraine, ... (p.26) www.amazon.com/Impossible-Triangle-American-Encounters-Interactions/dp/0822322897
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Post by Michael on Nov 22, 2008 8:30:54 GMT -5
++++ Just as I uploaded a copy of Jafsie Tells All! In the Members Section, I will be uploading a couple of others very soon. Save your money and upload the digital copies I place there (which I found within the public domain on the internet).
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Post by corrine on Oct 31, 2013 12:11:28 GMT -5
"Well, kidnapping wasnt my game. After I got out I waited for Doc Noso and we went into the cosmetic business together". Mr. Z. was living with his mother near to St. Raymonds Cemetary, where the Lindbergh ransom was paid a few years later. Doc Noso often visited Mr. Zs home, thus becoming familiar with the vicinity of St. Raymonds." Mr. Z = Uncle Dinny" Hello: It is possible. My Great Grandmother lived on Mayflower Ave about one block from the cemetery. Not far from Whittenmore Ave where Condon walked to deliver the ransom money. Of course, there are other players with Dinny, Wally Stroh and Miller who was in business with Noso. I don't know much about either Wally or Miller. However, Z does sound like Dinny Doyle. Pat
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Post by corrine on Oct 31, 2013 12:31:37 GMT -5
"Well, kidnapping wasnt my game. After I got out I waited for Doc Noso and we went into the cosmetic business together". Mr. Z. was living with his mother near to St. Raymonds Cemetary, where the Lindbergh ransom was paid a few years later. Doc Noso often visited Mr. Zs home, thus becoming familiar with the vicinity of St. Raymonds." Mr. Z = Uncle Dinny" Hello: It is possible. My Great Grandmother lived on Mayflower Ave about one block from the cemetery. Not far from Whittenmore Ave where Condon walked to deliver the ransom money. Of course, there are other players with Dinny, Wally Stroh and Miller who was in business with Noso. I don't know much about either Wally or Miller. However, Z does sound like Dinny Doyle. Pat
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Post by corrine on Oct 31, 2013 12:38:11 GMT -5
Does anyone know if Wally Stroh had a wife or sister named Lilly Stroh? Where did this Mr.Z name come from? They use to call my great grandfather Mr. Z's
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Post by corrine on Nov 2, 2013 16:34:34 GMT -5
Patricia, I love hearing about your recollection concerning your uncle Dinny. I think they are very important when looking at the big picture. I have some info on Stroh I could post if you are interested. Unfortunately my scanner "blew up" over the weekend so I have to drag my butt down to Staples over the coming weekend to buy a new one... Or I could type out something specific you may be looking for. Just let me know.
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Post by corrine on Nov 2, 2013 16:52:02 GMT -5
Michael, I'm interested in some info about Wally Stroh. Do you have anything you can share with me about him. Where he lived what ever you have on him. Also who was this guy Mr. Z's that lived by St. Raymonds. Can you direct me to what book I can see info. Thanks
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Post by Michael on Nov 2, 2013 19:58:03 GMT -5
Michael, I'm interested in some info about Wally Stroh. Do you have anything you can share with me about him. Where he lived what ever you have on him. Also who was this guy Mr. Z's that lived by St. Raymonds. Can you direct me to what book I can see info. Thanks Attachment DeletedIn 1932 he was 28 years old, 5'7", 144 lbs, blue eyes, and fair complexion. When he was investigated in 1936 his home address was: 39 Fountain Place, New Rochelle, NY. Despite the criminal record, he was employed as a Private Investigator. The only place I have ever seen mentioned a "Mr. Z" was from Patricia's post. It appears she is saying that Dennis Doyle was "Mr. Z" although I could be incorrect. Stroh had worked for a "Mr. C" (Michael Collino) who lived across the street from St. Raymond's Cemetery on E. Tremont Ave. Stroh is probably mentioned the most in Noel Behn's book Lindbergh: The Crime.
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Post by corrine on Nov 3, 2013 19:17:35 GMT -5
Thanks Michael--Was also wondering if you may have a picture of Dinny Doyle.
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Post by Michael on Nov 4, 2013 9:27:39 GMT -5
Thanks Michael--Was also wondering if you may have a picture of Dinny Doyle.
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Post by kjones on Nov 7, 2013 13:39:50 GMT -5
Michael are JJ Nosovitsky and Wally Stroh committing crimes together as far back as 1923? I noticed they were both booked into jail in NYC on 10-19-23. Again both are arrested within 5 days of each other on 11-26-27 and 12-1-27. Also is Wally Stroh and Miller that acondon writes about working at the greeting card factory the same person?
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Post by Michael on Nov 7, 2013 17:37:46 GMT -5
Michael are JJ Nosovitsky and Wally Stroh committing crimes together as far back as 1923? I noticed they were both booked into jail in NYC on 10-19-23. Again both are arrested within 5 days of each other on 11-26-27 and 12-1-27. Also is Wally Stroh and Miller that acondon writes about working at the greeting card factory the same person? It's hard to say what the truth is and what its not. As you've pointed out, the incarceration dates match. Their paths seem to match in the other places Stroh claims - like Eagle Detective Agency. But all of this stuff lining up only seems to prove they were acquainted. Stroh also claimed a man by the name of "John Graham" heard from Noso about this "snatch" plot. When the Police caught up with Graham in the summer of 1936, he backed this story up. He also talked about how both he and Stroh compared notes once the Lindbergh Kidnapping hit the papers. I can share that in researching this angle I have discovered evidence of Noso plotting, planning, and actually carrying some of them out which involved a large amount of money. However, nothing like "kidnapping," rather, strike-breaking for 20K, or selling the story that the "Mill Men were trying to frame Weisbord" to the Hearst Papers for 60K, or asking people to sign bogus Affidavits for 10K so that he could make even more as a result. I haven't read Patricia's post for some time but Stroh's alias was "Walter Miller."
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Post by hurtelable on Jun 8, 2014 19:38:22 GMT -5
I'm a newbie here, fascinated by the seemingly limitless ideas on the Lindbergh case developed over the years.
For now, I'd like to focus on Jacob J. Nosovitsky, who seems to be less appreciated as a suspect than the evidence would indicate.
Let's just say that there is very credible evidence to think that Nosovitsky is the same individual as "J. J. Faulkner" AND "Cemetery John" AND the writer of all but the first of the ransom notes.
(1) "J. J. Faulkner": Listed on NYPD documents as one of Nosovitsky's many aliases, several others of which begin with "J. J." (likely his true initials).
(2) "Cemetery John": Nosovitsky was a very wily criminal. For years prior to the Lindbergh kidnapping, he had been an international spy, and spent some time in Europe, picking up several languages (other than his native Russian and the English he picked up upon coming to the US as a youngster. Given this background, his smarts, and his deviousness, it is conceivable that he could have picked up a fake German accent and the capability of writing English in the style of a semiliterate German immigrant, i.e., the style used on the ransom notes. Furthermore, some his aliases contained the name John. Physically, Nosovitsky is a pretty good match for John F. Condon's description of "Cemetery John," judging by the few photos of him on the Internet. He was 5'10" on a document, kind of thin, with receding hairline, big ears, pointed chin, and perhaps, judging by an Internet photo of him carrying a spherical object in his left hand on a roof, had a nodule on his left thumb as per Condon's story.
(3) Writer of all ransom notes except the first: At least two samples written by "J. J. Faulkner" are known to exist: the infamous bank deposit slip (with which a significant amount of Lindbergh ransom money was deposited) AND a letter written to New Jersey Gov. Hoffman during the time Hauptmann was in state prison after conviction. A private detective in NJ, according to Noel Behn's book, declared that the known samples of the "Faulkner" writings were written by the same individual who wrote all but the first of the ransom notes. In particular, the subject's handwriting contained a very idiosyncratic small case "k," as in "Falkner."
We know that Nosovitsky was in possession of a large chunk of Lindbergh ransom money, that he wasn't lacking in boldness, that he was very wily, that he had a previous criminal background, and perhaps most importantly, carried a personal grudge against the Morrow family. Moreover, he frequented the Bronx about the time of the kidnapping, and, according the posts here, new John Condon's relative.
If he wasn't actually in on the kidnapping, he certainly profited by it. So what was his role?
Comments appreciated. BTW, does anyone know anything about Nosovitsky after Hauptmann's execution. Can't find any references to his death, for example.
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Post by Michael on Jun 9, 2014 20:08:31 GMT -5
(1) "J. J. Faulkner": Listed on NYPD documents as one of Nosovitsky's many aliases, several others of which begin with "J. J." (likely his true initials) I agree that "J. J. Faulkner" was one of the many names he used over the years. (2) "Cemetery John": Nosovitsky was a very wily criminal. For years prior to the Lindbergh kidnapping, he had been an international spy, and spent some time in Europe, picking up several languages (other than his native Russian and the English he picked up upon coming to the US as a youngster. Given this background, his smarts, and his deviousness, it is conceivable that he could have picked up a fake German accent and the capability of writing English in the style of a semiliterate German immigrant, i.e., the style used on the ransom notes. I agree he was a spy and a forger. Furthermore, some his aliases contained the name John. Physically, Nosovitsky is a pretty good match for John F. Condon's description of "Cemetery John," judging by the few photos of him on the Internet. He was 5'10" on a document, kind of thin, with receding hairline, big ears, pointed chin, and perhaps, judging by an Internet photo of him carrying a spherical object in his left hand on a roof, had a nodule on his left thumb as per Condon's story. It could certainly be that Condon gave a bogus description, but if he didn't then I disagree that Noso fits it. Furthermore, I am not convinced he had such an issue on his thumb, but even if he did, its clear to me Condon made that up. (3) Writer of all ransom notes except the first: At least two samples written by "J. J. Faulkner" are known to exist: the infamous bank deposit slip (with which a significant amount of Lindbergh ransom money was deposited) AND a letter written to New Jersey Gov. Hoffman during the time Hauptmann was in state prison after conviction. A private detective in NJ, according to Noel Behn's book, declared that the known samples of the "Faulkner" writings were written by the same individual who wrote all but the first of the ransom notes. In particular, the subject's handwriting contained a very idiosyncratic small case "k," as in "Falkner." Pelletreau did make this claim (see True Detective Mysteries, August 1936, " The Mysterious Mr. X of the Ransom Notes). The problem is that Handwriting Analysis is junk science now, and was 10 times worse back then. Furthermore, Pelletreau was only a student of handwriting analysis at the time. Now, I am not saying his theory should be disregarded, however, if he is the only one making this claim then I think his assertion should be seriously questioned. Also consider: "If I recall correctly, William Pelletrau, in his report comparing the J. J. Nosovitsky and J. J. Faulkner handwritings, said there was a marked similarity between the two, but did not conclusively state that the handwritings were written by he one and same person." (Hoffman to Palmer, Letter, 10-21-37) Hoffman was in possession of his actual Report, and not just the magazine article. We know that Nosovitsky was in possession of a large chunk of Lindbergh ransom money, that he wasn't lacking in boldness, that he was very wily, that he had a previous criminal background, and perhaps most importantly, carried a personal grudge against the Morrow family. Moreover, he frequented the Bronx about the time of the kidnapping, and, according the posts here, new John Condon's relative. I think what we do know is that whoever wrote that deposit slip was most likely involved in this in some way. That could possibly be possessing $2980 of the ransom money before laundering it that day at the Federal Reserve Bank. BTW, does anyone know anything about Nosovitsky after Hauptmann's execution. Can't find any references to his death, for example. I've never located an obit for him, and even the FBI have no record of his death. Chances are he left the country before he died. After the accusations concerning his involvement became known, he returned to New York City to clear his name. Once no one cared to interest themselves in him further, Mrs. McLean actually hired him to run down some clues concerning the Lindbergh Kidnapping for her. One of the last known events that I am aware of concerning him was being found "mugged" by the Police who later believed he had actually staged the whole thing himself.
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Post by Michael on Jun 10, 2014 18:39:23 GMT -5
Due to the Governor's letter to Casimir Palmer I quoted above I wanted to be able to post exactly what Pelletrau's position was and what I found was Gov. Hoffman was either incorrect or was purposely misleading him due to the fact he did not believe Noso was involved and wanted to stop the inquiry. The fact is that Pelletreau wrote to Gov. Hoffman on 2-15-36 that: "From the above mentioned examination, it is my opinion that the person or writer who wrote the standard writings above mentioned, is the same person who wrote the ransome[sic] notes received in the Lindbergh kidnapping..." The standard writings were from Nosovitsky. I am just beginning to read the chapters on the Federal trial of Ellis Parker and others in Master Detective. In the first few pages it brings up the following on page 332: William Pelletreau a Jersey City detective who was working with Gov. Hoffman's reinvestigation of the Hauptmann case and who also worked with Ellis Parker too, brought an affidavit to Hunterdon County prosecutor Anthony Hauck. This affidavit was signed by a prisoner who was in the Bronx County jail. This prisoner was claiming he was asked to participate in the Lindbergh kidnapping in 1932 by an international spy who was the real culprit. Hauck promises Pelletreau he will investigate this claim further. Did Hauck keep his promise? Attachment DeletedIs this affidavit connected to Dinny Doyle who was incarcerated at that time? Dinny Doyle is connected to Condon. Is this when suspicion of Nosovitsky enters the picture in this kidnapping? No, Wallace Stroh, but Stroh was connected to Doyle. Nosovitsky is actually first mentioned on June 2, 1932 and they interviewed his brother Emil who told them he had gone to Canada.
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Post by hurtelable on Jun 11, 2014 16:00:49 GMT -5
(1) "J. J. Faulkner": Listed on NYPD documents as one of Nosovitsky's many aliases, several others of which begin with "J. J." (likely his true initials) I agree that "J. J. Faulkner" was one of the many names he used over the years. (2) "Cemetery John": Nosovitsky was a very wily criminal. For years prior to the Lindbergh kidnapping, he had been an international spy, and spent some time in Europe, picking up several languages (other than his native Russian and the English he picked up upon coming to the US as a youngster. Given this background, his smarts, and his deviousness, it is conceivable that he could have picked up a fake German accent and the capability of writing English in the style of a semiliterate German immigrant, i.e., the style used on the ransom notes. I agree he was a spy and a forger. Furthermore, some his aliases contained the name John. Physically, Nosovitsky is a pretty good match for John F. Condon's description of "Cemetery John," judging by the few photos of him on the Internet. He was 5'10" on a document, kind of thin, with receding hairline, big ears, pointed chin, and perhaps, judging by an Internet photo of him carrying a spherical object in his left hand on a roof, had a nodule on his left thumb as per Condon's story. It could certainly be that Condon gave a bogus description, but if he didn't then I disagree that Noso fits it. Furthermore, I am not convinced he had such an issue on his thumb, but even if he did, its clear to me Condon made that up. (3) Writer of all ransom notes except the first: At least two samples written by "J. J. Faulkner" are known to exist: the infamous bank deposit slip (with which a significant amount of Lindbergh ransom money was deposited) AND a letter written to New Jersey Gov. Hoffman during the time Hauptmann was in state prison after conviction. A private detective in NJ, according to Noel Behn's book, declared that the known samples of the "Faulkner" writings were written by the same individual who wrote all but the first of the ransom notes. In particular, the subject's handwriting contained a very idiosyncratic small case "k," as in "Falkner." Pelletreau did make this claim (see True Detective Mysteries, August 1936, " The Mysterious Mr. X of the Ransom Notes). The problem is that Handwriting Analysis is junk science now, and was 10 times worse back then. Furthermore, Pelletreau was only a student of handwriting analysis at the time. Now, I am not saying his theory should be disregarded, however, if he is the only one making this claim then I think his assertion should be seriously questioned. Also consider: "If I recall correctly, William Pelletrau, in his report comparing the J. J. Nosovitsky and J. J. Faulkner handwritings, said there was a marked similarity between the two, but did not conclusively state that the handwritings were written by he one and same person." (Hoffman to Palmer, Letter, 10-21-37) Hoffman was in possession of his actual Report, and not just the magazine article. We know that Nosovitsky was in possession of a large chunk of Lindbergh ransom money, that he wasn't lacking in boldness, that he was very wily, that he had a previous criminal background, and perhaps most importantly, carried a personal grudge against the Morrow family. Moreover, he frequented the Bronx about the time of the kidnapping, and, according the posts here, new John Condon's relative. I think what we do know is that whoever wrote that deposit slip was most likely involved in this in some way. That could possibly be possessing $2980 of the ransom money before laundering it that day at the Federal Reserve Bank. BTW, does anyone know anything about Nosovitsky after Hauptmann's execution. Can't find any references to his death, for example. I've never located an obit for him, and even the FBI have no record of his death. Chances are he left the country before he died. After the accusations concerning his involvement became known, he returned to New York City to clear his name. Once no one cared to interest themselves in him further, Mrs. McLean actually hired him to run down some clues concerning the Lindbergh Kidnapping for her. One of the last known events that I am aware of concerning him was being found "mugged" by the Police who later believed he had actually staged the whole thing himself.
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Post by hurtelable on Jun 11, 2014 16:28:15 GMT -5
To Michael:
You say that it could be that Condon gave a bogus description of "Cemetery John". Doesn't seem to me that he had an obvious motive for doing that. At least in the time frame of the months immediately following the ransom payoff, the NYPD had Condon direct a police artist sketch of "Cemetery John." This would imply they had confidence in Condon's memory and his integrity, which is also suggested by their showing Condon lots of mug shots of possible suspects and asking him if they matched "Cemetery John."
Furthermore, I would respectfully disagree with your statement that Nosovitsky is not a good fit for Condon's description. Condon's description (except perhaps with respect to age) fits Noso at least as well as it does Hauptmann or any other possible suspect. So who do you think "Cemetery John" was?
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Post by Michael on Jun 11, 2014 20:34:05 GMT -5
To Michael: You say that it could be that Condon gave a bogus description of "Cemetery John". Doesn't seem to me that he had an obvious motive for doing that. At least in the time frame of the months immediately following the ransom payoff, the NYPD had Condon direct a police artist sketch of "Cemetery John." This would imply they had confidence in Condon's memory and his integrity, which is also suggested by their showing Condon lots of mug shots of possible suspects and asking him if they matched "Cemetery John." Condon gave varying descriptions of Cemetery John and identified people who looked nothing like the sketch. The Authorities all doubted his honesty, and even Lindbergh admitted he didn't trust him to Agent Larimer. So we'll have to disagree about an obvious motive because its clear to me there was one. Next, you are relying on a mistake to draw your conclusion. Unless you know about something I do not, The NYPD did not direct a police sketch artist to draw Cemetery John in the time frame of the months immediately following the ransom payoff. The fact is that J. Edgar Hoover sent Berryman, a cartoonist, up from D.C. to sketch it in the summer of 1934. Furthermore, I would respectfully disagree with your statement that Nosovitsky is not a good fit for Condon's description. Condon's description (except perhaps with respect to age) fits Noso at least as well as it does Hauptmann or any other possible suspect. So who do you think "Cemetery John" was? I say it couldn't have been him based on the description because: he's too old, too tall, too thin, and absolutely does not look Scandinavian or German - and NYPD concluded in 1932 he was not in NY at the time. Realizing no one is ever right 100% of the time, if you have something to show me I'm wrong I am more then willing to listen.
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Post by corrine on Jun 12, 2014 16:12:39 GMT -5
Does anyone have a picture of JJ Nosovitsky that they can post. Also when people wanted to get away from the law here in Ny or in NJ somehow they all ended up going to Canada.
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Post by hurtelable on Jun 13, 2014 12:11:00 GMT -5
To Michael:
FYI, Robert Zorn's book, "Cemetery John," contains the police artist drawings (front and oblique views) of "Cemetery John" on p. 21. On p. 20 in the accompanying text, Zorn, in talking about his suspect for "Cemetery John" (the heretofore unknown John Knoll), states, "...I've made it my mission to establish whether [Knoll's face] is the face that Condon described to a police sketch artist in 1932." No mention of the FBI here and the date of the sketch is specifically stated as 1932. Credit for the police artist sketch in the book is given to the New Jersey State Police Museum. Going through Zorn's book, one has to conclude that the credits and citations seem to be done meticulously.
As to Noso, according to a "Naval credential (possibly forged)" shown in Noel Behn's "Lindbergh: The Crime," he was 5'10" (within Condon's estimate of "Cemetery John" to be 5'8" to 5'10") and would be 41 years old at the time of the crime. Granted, that would make him 5-10 years older than Condon's age estimate for "Cemetery John," but sometimes estimating age is difficult, especially if the subject's face is partially covered.
I would agree with your take that police thought that Noso was not on the area on the day of the kidnapping. But he could have returned in time for the two encounters of "Cemetery John" with Condon.
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Post by hurtelable on Jun 13, 2014 12:23:11 GMT -5
"Does anyone have a picture of JJ Nosovitsky that they can post?"
Google "Jacob Nosovitsky" and click on "Images." The image in the upper left corner of that page is a photo of Nosovitsky, with white shirt, tie and dark pants, apparently standing on a roof, holding a spherical object in his left hand. Have no idea when or where the photo was taken. Nosovitsky was, by document, probably about 5'10" tall. On the photo he appears to be slim, but we don't know if there could have been some weight change between the time of the photo and the time of the crime. Also, I've seen police mug shots of Noso - front and side views - on the Net.
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Post by Michael on Jun 13, 2014 16:32:16 GMT -5
Does anyone have a picture of JJ Nosovitsky that they can post. Also when people wanted to get away from the law here in Ny or in NJ somehow they all ended up going to Canada. Attachment DeletedFYI, Robert Zorn's book, "Cemetery John," contains the police artist drawings (front and oblique views) of "Cemetery John" on p. 21. On p. 20 in the accompanying text, Zorn, in talking about his suspect for "Cemetery John" (the heretofore unknown John Knoll), states, "...I've made it my mission to establish whether [Knoll's face] is the face that Condon described to a police sketch artist in 1932." No mention of the FBI here and the date of the sketch is specifically stated as 1932. Credit for the police artist sketch in the book is given to the New Jersey State Police Museum. Going through Zorn's book, one has to conclude that the credits and citations seem to be done meticulously. To whoever wasted their money on Zorn's book: Does anyone know if he is using the Berryman sketch on the page Hurtelable cites? If it is then he's absolutely wrong. As to Noso, according to a "Naval credential (possibly forged)" shown in Noel Behn's "Lindbergh: The Crime," he was 5'10" (within Condon's estimate of "Cemetery John" to be 5'8" to 5'10") and would be 41 years old at the time of the crime. Granted, that would make him 5-10 years older than Condon's age estimate for "Cemetery John," but sometimes estimating age is difficult, especially if the subject's face is partially covered. Okay I see you are relying on Behn's book for this information. Here's what I have in front of me: Noso was 5'10-1/2" tall, 160lbs, and 41 years old in 1932. According to his NY arrest record (in my possession) he had a "shallow complexion," "brown hair," "grey eyes," and "Russian" in overall appearance. I can accept that Condon was lying, but if he's telling the truth there's no way I see any possibility.
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Post by hurtelable on Jun 13, 2014 22:25:44 GMT -5
To Michael:
What do you guess that Nosovitsky's pose in that infamous photo on the left is supposed to mean, taken on a rooftop holding a spherical object in his left hand while raising his right hand as if in triumph?
Would you happen to know the original sources for each of those Noso photos you posted?
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Post by Michael on Jun 14, 2014 7:00:31 GMT -5
To Michael:
What do you guess that Nosovitsky's pose in that infamous photo on the left is supposed to mean, taken on a rooftop holding a spherical object in his left hand while raising his right hand as if in triumph?
Would you happen to know the original sources for each of those Noso photos you posted? I made copies of both pictures during one my trips to the NJSP Archives. I've been researching there since Feburary or March of 2000 so its hard for me to say exactly when. Most material I have comes from this Archive unless I otherwise specify. I do have material from many others, but I'd say 90% of my research comes from West Trenton. I have no idea what he's doing in that photo although I may actually have the answer if I look. The 2nd photo was from the NY American in 1925, or at least that's what it said in the documentation file. Here's his mugshot taken after his arrest for Grand Larceny on 12-1-27 in New York (he was acquitted): Attachment Deleted
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Post by Michael on Jun 14, 2014 7:07:22 GMT -5
Thanks Amy! I probably shouldn't have written that but I'd be lying if I said any different. I really don't want to dissuade anyone but I sure as hell won't encourage them to read fiction either... Anyway, that sketch is what I call the "2nd release" of the Berryman photo. Since Berryman was dispatched by J. Edgar Hoover in 1934 - then Zorn is incorrect.
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Post by xjd on Jun 14, 2014 7:36:47 GMT -5
The artist interviewed Doctor Condon and made the sketches from his memories of the ransom-taters copies of the portrays were distributed to department of justice investigators to and their search for the man. what the heck are ransom-taters?
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