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Post by kanneedwards on Mar 4, 2006 7:08:16 GMT -5
michael, I've read Bill's book twice and also enjoyed it greatly. Involving someone other than CAL with the set-up certainly goes a long way in explaining the families unlikely behavior. It puts a whole new perspective on JFC. I wish we knew a little mnore on Hoffman's research but Bill did an exceptional job. We should all be grateful (and he seems like such a nice guy!)
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Post by kanneedwards on Feb 16, 2006 7:25:32 GMT -5
yesterday i saw a newspaper headline on e-bay of March 1932 with caption Lindbergh baby kidnapped and below the words "rancom note found on sill" i had been under the impression that the presence of a note wasn't even published for a few days. sounds like the news was given to the press in a timely manner here.
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Post by kanneedwards on Mar 8, 2006 8:16:25 GMT -5
Rab, i ahve a questio for you. do you think hauptman remembered that rainy day and decided to use it as alibi? it was comfirmed that the closet was leaking that day and realy if cleaning suplies were kept there why would he have any reason to go there. didn't he say he assumed that the box just contained papers? the story rings true to me didn' uhlig discover at the same time that fisch was a crook and they had both been swindled?
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Post by kanneedwards on Mar 6, 2006 18:51:36 GMT -5
rick, i hope i can express a feeble thought here without the post police hyperventilating. Hans was told not to testify with the threat of being an accomplice and by that time i'm sure he knew they would fry him too. also reilly wanted anna to testify she had seen the box. both she and richard stated she hadn't. not too sneaky for the crime of the century
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Post by kanneedwards on Mar 8, 2006 8:09:13 GMT -5
rick, i agree and the key words here are "CAL vouched for him" by this time in his history CAL certainly knew the powere he possessed. no one argues that it was his testimony that sealed the verdict. the only time that the symbol seeems to have meant anything to CAL is when he first let JFC into his home. of cours that might have been an oversight by thayer while cal was trying to get some sleep
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Post by kanneedwards on Feb 26, 2006 10:01:31 GMT -5
I wondered about Lindbergh allowing condon to go ahead with leaving the $50 bills, too, especially when he (CAL) had been super careful about following directions. On one hand he might have thought the kidnappers would become suspious about the bills if they were pressed upon them and question condon's honesty. on the other hand it seems there was time to switch bills in the car while wsiting CJ's note. in that case i would questions lindbergh's motives. he ws reluctant to use the marked bills from the beginning. what it comes down to is that there would have been no arrest and no case without those marked bills. I quess we can blame all this on Irey if he was the one who insisted on the bills.
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Post by kanneedwards on Feb 23, 2006 20:56:37 GMT -5
Michael, in what context did CAL say the baby was "missed?" I can't make any connection with that. thanks, kathy
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Post by kanneedwards on Feb 21, 2006 18:42:04 GMT -5
carol, i tend to agree with you that Anne didn't have anything to do with this. Her diaries and later biographical books do seem to indicate she had doubts about the offical story. maybe as time went on she realized what CAL was and what he might have been capable of doing. can you imagine being an intelligent and extremely wealthy girl and having someone propose to you on your second date? Could you also imagine that you were a god like CAL and married good genetic stock only to find out you haD A DEFECTIVE CHILD? someone would be very upset. Nobody crossed this guy.
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Post by kanneedwards on Feb 21, 2006 18:33:39 GMT -5
michael, i've wonder about the possibility of CAL's wanting the staff to keep quiet about other secrets too especially in light of the secrets we now know he kept from Anne. Even when the extra room was needed at highfields Betty was kept close by although she really lived at next day hill. Regardless of the magnitude of the secret, a child's life, their child's life was at stake. their actions don't ring true.
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Post by kanneedwards on Mar 18, 2006 9:08:24 GMT -5
rick, I agree there is much yet to discover. i think everyone discounts the suspect Wendel. i believe Parker was brilliant and had an impeciable reputation. If he said it was Wendel then there must have been good reason. the baby's body was found in his direction,wasn't it? Also his personality seems to "fit" the crime to me. He certainly was an anti-social personality disorder if I've ever seen one. Parker never recanted his story and neither did anyone else involved. Wilentz got to Wendel and the rest is classic "jersey justice"
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Post by kanneedwards on Mar 4, 2006 9:10:30 GMT -5
rick, wasn't it fortuitous for CAL that he didn't go to the dinner that night and really lucky for the kidnappers! It all worked out so nicely.
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Post by kanneedwards on Mar 2, 2006 11:38:45 GMT -5
rick, you're so funny! what if it was the brother who just took charlie. after constance's kidnap attempt, and this wasn't just a phone call, i've wonder why there weren't private investigators hired to follow up on this (maybe there were?) anyway if i had the resources that dwight SR did i'd feel alot safer sending my kids out knowing who is threatening them. i ve also wonder why the baby wasn't snatched being transported to and from school or up in the deep woods If charlie was "damaged" due to CAL's actions for example rough play or disipline or negligence like anne's flight withut o2 its not the sort of thing you would annouce to the world however sympathtic. now if the physican yu chose to "help" was doing experimental surgery in black robes and the baby died well why let the world know this either its not going to bring charlie back. after all this is said i agree the temple and condon were a little more involved and knew a little more thatn they should have. AND a simple "kidnapping" didn't have to turn inot extortion but it did and could have been anticipated thus the special symbol at the bottom. Whew enough said!
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Post by kanneedwards on Mar 6, 2008 18:07:43 GMT -5
dena, it seems to me that i read that CAL refused to use them. i'll see if i can find that. i think the princeton students hunted the surrounding area against his wishes. i dont remember reading the reason he refused both.
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Post by kanneedwards on Mar 6, 2006 18:42:19 GMT -5
Parker was a local detective that had solved many difficult cases and was sort of a down-home sherlock holmes. his opinion was the weather should have perserved the body more so than it was. also local farmers didn't see any vultures circling in the area which would have been a clear sign there was something dead. the little body was partly covered and was in a shady spot as well. this is all i know except the area had been searched before
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Post by kanneedwards on Feb 12, 2006 14:42:16 GMT -5
Rick, you start grieving WHEN YOU KNOW SOMEONE YOU LOVE IS DEAD! that is why natalie hollway's mom is still searching , so she can at least know. If this was a bogus cover-up for soomethng experimental that went wrong and the mother didn't know, maybe the baby was placed there to end the search. Anne was pregnant and not in good shape mentally. The baby's bone was in the bag and didn't get there by itself. Someone carried the body there after it had deteriorated and it was probably moved by forest creatures. Maybe the the bag wss left near the road to be found like the thumbguard was left in the middle of the drive.
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Post by kanneedwards on Feb 11, 2006 11:16:49 GMT -5
another reason the body may have been returned is to provide closure for someone. A point in time to begin to grieve and go on.
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Post by kanneedwards on Mar 4, 2008 12:46:18 GMT -5
i was thinking about all the "small" characters in this crime and i think with fox, cnn and msnbc today reporting 24 hrs anything that comes to their attention this crime would have been solved. not by investigative reporting just people calling in tips. michael skakel ws convicted after a showing of unsolved mysteries. the lindberghs didnt need to lawyer up in those days either!
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Post by kanneedwards on Feb 11, 2006 14:19:11 GMT -5
Rick, the money is buried in Summit, N.J. The Junges had roots there. Kathy
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Post by kanneedwards on Feb 13, 2006 8:07:54 GMT -5
rick, i think judas was paid 30 pieces of silver. $50,000 would be alot to alot of people but to others not. I'd love to know who wrote the Constance ransom note
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Post by kanneedwards on Mar 2, 2006 7:20:24 GMT -5
Rick, sounds like Greta was very friendly with everybody. I think Hauptman's circle of friends was wide and there is possibility that someone knew of Condon. the more his behavior and statements (lies) are examined here the more i am suspious of his involvement. if Condon made a second profession of writing to newspapers and these people were attempting to learn english it seems someone probably did recognize his name. however if he was using pseudonyms how did the caller that talked to condon's wife know that "does he sometimes writhe for to the newspaper?"'
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Post by kanneedwards on Mar 2, 2006 7:09:36 GMT -5
i think i'm gettinga little too cought up in the Lindbergh board! I don't know (and didn't know) all of that stuff about RBH which moight make Anna lool naive if not slow and stubborn. saying this i don't trust the police either. my little cousin had weed planted in his car when his dad was running for office, luckily he was smart enough to figure oout someone had been in the car before the cops stopped him. people in germany beween WW1 and 2 were sending their kids to families in holland because there wasn't food to feed them and this was during a world wide depression. anyway remember (this comingfroom a woman) woman throw themselves at men too and we all know from Ronelle's board that hauptmann was very good looking. maybe as Ana says it wasn't just Wilentz that was jealous (this is to be facetious!) i've still think the first night has so many questions that it is a good place to look!
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Post by kanneedwards on Feb 26, 2006 17:29:10 GMT -5
Rick, Sorry, I think that there is a possibility you are right; however some things worry me. First, I don't necessarily agree that the temple was a "christian church" more like a "spiritual church" Fisch wasn't christian, he was Jewish and I'm not sure he would know about this symbol, I also don't think the symbol was used to make a statement just something the writer knew and recognized. Finally it seems this symbol was used by more than one group. These were people who couldn't even write unless they were pretending to be illiterate and then why use a sophisticated symbol? I am just curious about the whole thing. I really think some of the meanings are so obscure that on a few people would know of them. maybe it is an indication that the writers were much more schooled than I'm giving them credit.
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Post by kanneedwards on Feb 26, 2006 15:03:49 GMT -5
joe, do you think Hauptamnn was into geneolgy? I can't see someone who would be interested in geneolgy also planning a kidnapping. I'm going with the gypsies, tramps and theives.
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Post by kanneedwards on Feb 26, 2006 9:49:59 GMT -5
in geneology interlocking circles represent marrage. I don't feel this symbol has any "deep" psychological meaning but it was used for some reason. I see it more as a personal sign that someone would be very familiar with. sort of like we might use a password that means something to us.
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Post by kanneedwards on Feb 20, 2006 18:29:28 GMT -5
i am interested in kelvon's instincts. my instincts tell me Hauptmann did not commit this crime. is kelvon a criminal profiler? the best definition of profiling I know is the use of making logical deductions about possible suspects based on the shared patterns of behavior among offenders. I don't see him commiting this crime in light of is life before his arrest.
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Post by kanneedwards on May 15, 2006 11:30:04 GMT -5
I don't post here often but I have to say I don't think we can ever have too many ricks.
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Post by kanneedwards on Mar 6, 2006 15:24:44 GMT -5
rick, from the very first night when jasfie and his "bodyguard" showed up at highfields, he never falls to disappoint in his bizarre behaviors. the next AM when CAL catches him trying to Pocket some of charlie's toys to the convinient nom de plume he happened to have ready, his little mind can almost rival his mouth. really, he just never stops, with every contact he adds to this mystery. i bet CAL was soooo relieed when he appeared on the scene
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Post by kanneedwards on Feb 20, 2006 18:04:56 GMT -5
rick, i thought the kidnapping threat occurred when she was 15 and attending Milton Acadeny in milton, conn. i 'm probably wrong but it would just be another conn. connection. kathy
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Post by kanneedwards on Mar 18, 2006 9:43:52 GMT -5
michael, weve had some family illness and are heading north but i wanted to know--- what makes you feel RBH was invovled? Is it the money, the board, his expenditures,his lying,poor alibis, condon's id or anything else? In my mind these questions have been answered but not the questions involving other aspects of the crime, too many to list. Is it one thing or many that cause you to believe he is involved? I always value your impressions and thanks.
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Post by kanneedwards on Mar 18, 2006 8:48:03 GMT -5
rick, speaking of liars, the closet shelf in the kitchen was above Anna's head and that is why she didn't use it. I have top shelves like that myself that are only used for storage. she did realize after the trial that that the shelf had been lowered and the closet re-painted to appear as if she had been lying about its inaccessibility. From what I've read the hall closet was very narrow and Gov. Hoffman had difficulty squezzing up it. The shelves had to be removed to gain access to the attic.
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