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Post by Michael on Apr 2, 2014 16:18:31 GMT -5
Several theories involve Dwight Morrow concerning his position in Mexico as Ambassador as well as his ties to J.P. Morgan. Here is an example: Attachment Deleted
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 14:28:36 GMT -5
When I read this I was a bit surprised about the hatred of Dwight Morrow that this letter says existed. This whole thing with the devaluing of silver and then the move to the gold standard in America in 1900 and then Mexico in 1905 all occurred before Morrow was a J. P. Morgan partner. I realize though that the Mexican government and people did not trust the United States Government or J. P. Morgan for various reasons. Dwight Morrow, as ambassador, was able to address many of the issues while he served there and won over many of the people. Of course, there is always that element that cannot be appeased. I know that Dwight Morrow received threats from the Mexican Church which was being heavily suppressed by the Mexican Government and Ambassador Morrow's efforts to build a strong relationship with President Calles were viewed negatively by the religious leaders. This is where I thought a real plot might have developed against Morrow. I also know that Dwight Morrow aided with the issue of Cuba sugar production and our government wanting to control how much Cuba could sell. This problem was worked on by Morrow before he became Ambassador to Mexico. Could some kind of strike against Dwight Morrow have grown out of that? How many of these possibilities were investigated either before Hauptmann's arrest or after his conviction and execution? I found the following picture showing that Lindbergh ransom money was being looked for in Cuba. www.corbisimages.com/stock-photo/rights-managed/U766906INP/officials-investigating-lindbergh-ransom-money?popup=1If there was such a strong hatred of Dwight Morrow why was he not attacked? The kidnapping of Charlie happens after Dwight Morrow is dead. I really have trouble connecting the kidnapping with Dwight Morrow or his time with J. P. Morgan.
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Post by Michael on Apr 3, 2014 19:10:39 GMT -5
If there was such a strong hatred of Dwight Morrow why was he not attacked? The kidnapping of Charlie happens after Dwight Morrow is dead. I really have trouble connecting the kidnapping with Dwight Morrow or his time with J. P. Morgan. Honestly, I cannot say if there really was such a hatred. I do know its brought out in letters like these, but whether or not its an absolute fact would be something I couldn't commit to. People wrote and said many things to whoever they thought would listen. It's what makes Zorn's theory so absurd where he has a child hearing "Englewood" and "Bruno" then concludes the guy who supposedly said it was involved. Thousands upon thousands of adults overheard much worse then that, and things that would actually arouse suspicion - unlike "Bruno" a name Hauptmann never went by. The picture you have linked up shows Hick's during his visit to Cuba. That was another story that wouldn't go away.
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Post by kdwv8 on Apr 3, 2014 20:13:27 GMT -5
Michael, Do you think someone would kill Charlie in order to get even with Morrow, even though Morrrow is dead? How is that going to hurt Morrow?
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Post by Michael on Apr 4, 2014 5:26:18 GMT -5
Michael, Do you think someone would kill Charlie in order to get even with Morrow, even though Morrrow is dead? How is that going to hurt Morrow? I don't. These theories seem to be based on a type of revenge/retaliation scheme, or getting compensated for a perceived wrong. Apparently the idea is going after the Family is the next best thing. I often see these theories and personally dismiss them, however, I thought I'd share at least one example that doesn't directly name Nosovitsky.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2014 8:07:16 GMT -5
Nosovitsky is an angle I have not looked at much. I have been intrigued by his connection to Condon's relatives and also that Condon and Nosovitsky went to court over an issue but not till like 1937 I think it was?? I considered that if Nosovitsky was the man selected by Mr.X to put a small team together for the kidnapping then maybe Noso knew about the morals allegations from Condon's past and this was used to "persuade" Condon to write that letter to the Bronx Home News.
Can someone explain how Nosovitsky is supposed to be attached to Dwight Morrow? Supposedly Morrow failed to pay Noso $50,000 for something he did to help Morrow. I am really not clear on this. Is there any evidence to support this?
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Post by lightningjew on Apr 5, 2014 14:01:05 GMT -5
I've never seen any evidence to support it, just the allegation in Noel Behn's book that Morrow owed Nosovitsky money, so once CAL Jr. disappeared, Nosovitsky devised an independent extortion plot to get someone to pay that debt. But speaking of Nosovitsky, Michael (or anyone), how do you see him as actually figuring into things, if at all? I know that the 'JJ Faulkner' deposit slip featured a name on a dumbwaiter in an apartment building, but JJ Faulkner was also one of Nosovitsky's aliases. In your view, was it just a coincidence that whoever deposited that money used an alias identical to both Nosovitsky's and a name on that dumbwaiter? Or was the depositer trying to shield himself and shift blame by using the alias of a known criminal? Or was it Nosovitsky himself who somehow came into possession of a chunk of the ransom money and deposited it?
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Post by Michael on Apr 6, 2014 8:36:09 GMT -5
I've never seen any evidence to support it, just the allegation in Noel Behn's book that Morrow owed Nosovitsky money, so once CAL Jr. disappeared, Nosovitsky devised an independent extortion plot to get someone to pay that debt. But speaking of Nosovitsky, Michael (or anyone), how do you see him as actually figuring into things, if at all? Because there is so much material on Nosovitsky to look through, I've always been careful not to say something I could be wrong about. But reading through my material again I am seeing some problems with this particular theory as it is laid out: N. was brought in by Henry W. Marsh. At this meeting was Colonel Arthur Woods, who was the former Chief of NYPD and a "nephew by marriage" to J. P. Morgan. According to N.: "I had been told that Mr. Marsh had extensive interests in Mexico and that Colonel Woods was once interested in a Mexican lumber company. Looking back over that dinner it is interesting to recall that Thomas W. Lamont of J. P. Morgan & Company was acting for bankers who held many millions of dollars of Mexican bonds then in default. Newspapers were reporting that Obregon wanted first recognition by President Harding and that the bankers wanted first an agreement with Mexico about their bonds." (New York American, 9-20-25). N. was only ever offered 25K, and he definitely rec'd (at the very least) $3,300 up front, and $15,000 on the back end. The rest owed was only held up when Marsh consulted Raymond Fosdick. He appears to have been the one who told Marsh the documents N. provided weren't "good enough" prompting N. to forge the "Constitution for the Red Army of Mexico." This appears to have satisfied Marsh, and I assume N. got the rest of his money. Another key point is that during this time Morrow was not the Ambassador to Mexico - Henry Fletcher was. Furthermore, while there was a long line of those who N. had issue with, he was quick to take legal action, or slander anyone with whom he had an axe to grind. For example, he claimed the Hearst Papers, and the Eagle Detective Agency "framed" him over the 16 year old girl incident. He sued Kron for $100,000 over the whole Countess Catherine Karolyi matter. On paper Nosovitsky looks like a good candidate, however, he isn't someone that I believe had any involvement. I am open to anything anyone has to say which might change my mind.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2015 10:40:43 GMT -5
Michael,
In the beginning, when this kidnapping investigation was just getting started and it was OK to consider that more than one person was involved, did Schwarzkopf (or other investigators) give consideration to a possible Morrow angle to this crime in the form of employees who worked or had worked for the Morrow family in Mexico? Was everything blissfully happy between the Morrows and those people employed by them at their Mexican estate? Were these servants, both current and former investigated? Did Dwight Morrow have any issues with people who worked for him at the embassy who might have been interested in striking out against the Morrow family by planning or participating in the kidnap of Charlie?
Would Schwarzkopf have been allowed to look into such possibilities or would he have hit a brick wall trying to stretch the investigation to this level?
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Post by Michael on Sept 19, 2015 13:07:06 GMT -5
Would Schwarzkopf have been allowed to look into such possibilities or would he have hit a brick wall trying to stretch the investigation to this level? I've found there were very few Suspects that were attached to Mexico. There was a Gardner named "Archie" who had supposedly been fired while down there, and the FBI looked into it. If a lead extended beyond the tri-state area they were usually asked to do this. Another was Miguel Ugarte who worked as a Bulter at the Morrow home in the "fall" of 1930. He didn't speak English so Morrow sent him back to Mexico to work at the Embassy there. Police contacted the Embassy, found he was still there, and hadn't left the country since arriving back. After this all I can think about is the supposed Noso connection which we discuss above. There could be more, but nothing else is coming to me a the moment so I don't think it's important or I'd probably remember - if considering what I do.
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