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Post by Michael on Jun 3, 2013 17:42:24 GMT -5
Palmer was one of those PIs who wrote to Governor Hoffman concerning this case. Here is a little bit about him from his Wikipedia Page: Attachments:
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Post by kdwv8 on Jun 3, 2013 19:49:11 GMT -5
Wow, there is that $50,000 sum popping up again!
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Post by Michael on Jun 3, 2013 20:53:10 GMT -5
Hard to miss isn't it? Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2013 15:09:47 GMT -5
Did this PI Palmer ever uncover any significant information for Gov. Hoffman?
I recently read that Colonel Breckinridge employed an investigator by the name of John J. Fogarty in the early days of this kidnapping. Can you share anything about this man? Did he contribute anything useful to the investigation?
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Post by Michael on Jun 7, 2013 22:33:19 GMT -5
I recently read that Colonel Breckinridge employed an investigator by the name of John J. Fogarty in the early days of this kidnapping. Can you share anything about this man? Did he contribute anything useful to the investigation? I have some but not much. He was a retired NY Detective who had been attached to the District Attorney's Office when Breck's brother was the Asst District Attorney. This is how he became friends with Breck who brought him into the picture almost immediately as a PI. He did conduct several of his own investigations and was privy to much of everything that went on in the early stages of this investigation. He died of a heart attack in December of '32 which is why we don't hear as much about him as we probably should. Rosner believed there was one or more "Moles" in the Lindbergh house during the ransom negotiations. He pulled Thayer aside at some point and accused Fogarty as being in "league" with the Kidnappers. Fogarty, on the other hand - according to the FBI Reports and Memos that I have - believed a man by the name of George Miller was involved in the Kidnapping. Did this PI Palmer ever uncover any significant information for Gov. Hoffman? Palmer's main assistance was his experience and knowledge of certain Suspects and situations. He knew about Nosovitsky and believed he was involved. He gave advice, and insight so his Reports are worth the read. Here's one that I am sure will interest most:
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Post by Michael on Jun 9, 2013 9:00:14 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2013 22:18:18 GMT -5
I am very interested in what the Morrow attorney friend said to Palmer about the Hauptmann case. By the letter he wrote to Governor Hoffman, Palmer must have given a verbal report to Hoffman. Any chance that the Governor put it in writing for his records?
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Post by Michael on Jun 11, 2013 20:20:11 GMT -5
I am very interested in what the Morrow attorney friend said to Palmer about the Hauptmann case. By the letter he wrote to Governor Hoffman, Palmer must have given a verbal report to Hoffman. Any chance that the Governor put it in writing for his records? Unfortunately no. It's something that one can (qualify to) speculate on after reading through his entire collection (imo). Palmer wasn't the only one to put something like this in writing either.
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Post by fireballemc on Jun 14, 2013 15:37:40 GMT -5
Palmer was a spy attached to anti-Semite Boris Brasol who claimed "Max Warburg as the man at the bottom of it"(the Bolshevik Revolution). He later works for the American Jewish Committee spying out anti-Semitism, writing a letter to the American Jewish Archives, May 15, 1933. Felix Warburg is an official at AJC & the Archives - so he's working for HIM. Then on May 4, 1937 he writes to N.J. Gov. Hoffman:"I am of the opinion that Bruno Richard Hauptmann had nothing to do with the kidnapping or murder of the Lindbergh Baby." Where does Palmer get HIS opinion from? - answer:working in the world of Warburgs.Four others come out defending Bruno on paper & they all have one thing in common:THEY KNOW JAMES WARBURG PERSONALLY. 1- Eleanor Roosevelt is ""somewhat perturbed" about what might happen to an innocent person IN A SIMILAR SITUATION." 2-Sidney Buchman writes film "The Talk of The Town" where an innocent man, Leopold Dilg is railroaded for murder;"The name "Leopold Dilg" conjures "dirty immigrant" criminal types...Lindbergh Baby-killers."DVD Savant Review by Glenn Erickson.James Warburg's son-in-law Sidney Kaufman is Sidney Buchman's wife's longtime lover. 3- Felix Frankfurter comes out opposing "Lindbergh Law" June 1932. He knows Warburg from Harvard & FDR circle. 4- Donald Ogden Stewart's screenplay "A Woman's Face" has a Paulsson - Paul's son - Paul Warburg's son, James Warburg behind a plot to kill a Swedish child heir dressed in a Lindbergh suit with goggles. Stewart wrote book for James Warburg's Broadway musical "Fine & Dandy." They all have one thing in common - they know James Warburg.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2013 13:53:52 GMT -5
As I continue to read about and research this kidnapping, I find myself bewildered by why Lindbergh and Breckinridge allowed so many hands to stir the pot of this investigation(private investigators, mob figures, government department people-Murray Garrson is one, spiritualists and others)most of it leading nowhere. I don't see how any of it aided in the effort to bring about Charlies's return.
Then there were the scammers like Gaston Means and John Curtis. From what I have read the reason these two men were taken seriously is because they both knew something that was not publicized. Means knew that the information given out about the sleeping suit was not the correct description of the acutal sleeping suit so Lindbergh saw a possible legitimacy to Means claim to be in contact with the real kidnappers. Curtis knew about the Condon negotiations going on and he also knew that the pantry key was in the pantry door on the foyer side the night of the kidnapping. His knowledge of these details led Lindbergh to give consideration to Curtis as possibly having contact with the kidnappers.
It started me wondering how both Means and Curtis acquired this information. Means was running his scam through Evalyn Walsh McLean. He wasn't at Highfields going through Charlie's dresser drawers looking at sleeping suits. And what are the chances that the pantry key was still in the pantry door on the foyer side when the Norfolk trio came calling several weeks after the kidnapping occurred?
Someone must have been leaking information. Who are the candidates that would know ALL the details about what was transpiring, especially about the Bronx negotiations? Was there a law-enforcement leak? Was the leak one of the household servants, possibly Whateley(he would know about the key), which is why he was so very nervous when Curtis was there? Means and Curtis had to get their info from someone.
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Post by bookrefuge on Jun 16, 2013 14:47:36 GMT -5
Amy, this is great thinking! Ellis Parker might have hired you.
One thing—although I think Whateley would have been the ideal tipster before the kidnapping, I don’t see how he could be tipping people off AFTER the crime, simply because the house was overrun with the NJSP and he would no longer have dared pick up that phone. If someone provided info that helped Means and Curtis, I think it would have been someone who came and went as he pleased. Perhaps someone in LE? One reason I started the “Jack the Ripper” thread was because that case apparently went unsolved due to a “fix” in London’s LE. And Gaston Means had connections to LE. As did Nosovitsky, for that matter. Maybe the fix wasn’t in LE. Maybe it was someone like a Rosner or a Donovan. But for me, it does ring true that somewhere in this case there was a trusted individual who was in reality a Judas.
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Post by Michael on Jun 16, 2013 16:53:32 GMT -5
I agree that someone was leaking information. I honestly believe a lot of information was being leaked by several sources. Some, like certain members of the Police, were doing it for a little extra cash. Some were doing it for favor. And some may have been doing it for the Kidnappers. Remember that Rosner accused both Fogerty and Galvin of being double agents working for the Kidnappers. Some even believed Rosner was one himself. Then there was the incident were crime scene photos of the nursery were sold to a Reporter for $50 (I believe) which resulted in Trooper Lewis losing his job. So there's a lot to consider when trying to figure this little rubix cube out.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 11:01:40 GMT -5
Let me ask you this Michael, how many in LE do you think knew about the Bronx negotiations, especially in the beginning after Condon's visit to Highfields? I was under the impression that it was kept under very tight wraps. How much was Schwarzkopf told about what was going on initially? If he was kept in the dark, what are the chances that other members of LE would have known anything about New York?
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Post by Michael on Jun 18, 2013 16:51:04 GMT -5
Let me ask you this Michael, how many in LE do you think knew about the Bronx negotiations, especially in the beginning after Condon's visit to Highfields? I was under the impression that it was kept under very tight wraps. How much was Schwarzkopf told about what was going on initially? If he was kept in the dark, what are the chances that other members of LE would have known anything about New York? Generally, I am reasonably certain Schwarzkopf knew just about everything. Schwarzkopf shared information with those he trusted. But he did keep it "under wraps" from the FBI - definitely. They were completely in the dark and had to guess about much of what was going on. If you recall, Lindbergh told the Police when to stay away during the negotiations phase, but the NYPD, and FBI were surveiling Condon's house without anyone else knowing about it. The NJSP were not. But if you are asking about something specific let me know and I will try to find out.
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