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Post by Aimee on Aug 13, 2013 11:09:03 GMT -5
I believe the "Safe Diet" is actually telling the kidnappers or the extortionist how to decompose the replacement baby that they left in the woods. The dietary menu was published in newspapers immediately following this letter. The breakfast is referring to the legs, the dinner is referring to the arms and the Dinner Con't is referring to the head. They wanted the arms chopped off so that no one could determine that the identity of the baby they found did not fit the characteristics of Charlie Jr. His left hand would have given it away. Also the autopsy talks about the right toes overlapping (and the left leg was missing) when in fact, Charlie only had problems with his left toes. If an animal came to eat this decomposed body, they would have gone right for the eyes, the heart and the liver, all in which remained. They definitely did not want the baby to be burned (fried). The baby they found in the woods had rotted teeth, whereas Charlie had strong healthy teeth. Teeth don't rot in a matter of months. As far as cooking Wheatena or any cream of wheat..I called the Manufacturer and they they said that cooking the cereal, even in a double broiler for an hour would be too excessive.
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Post by Aimee on Aug 13, 2013 11:09:15 GMT -5
I know that this is alot to take in...how do you think I feel??
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Post by babyinthecrib on Aug 13, 2013 22:24:17 GMT -5
Aimee I always disagreed with the theory that animals ate some of the limbs. Not to be gross, but I live up in North Jersey and I have witnessed many animals feeding off of dead ones. They dont eat the bones before the body is completely cleared of all flesh first! The fact that portions of the body were gone and flesh was left on the face doesn't sound like your typical feed. It does sound more like someone was trying to destroy evidence.
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Post by xjd on Aug 13, 2013 23:22:59 GMT -5
not sure about the 'recipe for murder' scenario, why would the Dr. need to tell Mrs. Morrow that? also, am i missing it, where does it say the corpse's teeth were rotted? also noticed that the Dr.'s phone number started with Butterfield 8, just like the O'hara novel
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Post by babyinthecrib on Aug 14, 2013 20:06:56 GMT -5
Food for thought! Does anyone consider Violets Sharp's death and the death of Dwight Morrow connected? Poison in small doses could cause cardiac arrest and/or cerebral hemorrhage. At the time of Morrow's death he was only in the elected Senate seat for 6 months. He died October of 1931 five months before the kidnapping.
Now go back to April of 1930 before Morrow's death, Anne Lindbergh was seven months pregnant with baby Charles. It was at this time in St Louis that Jersey City Mayor, Frank Hague's Nephew just happened to be next door neighbors with the Lindbergh's. What placed him in that location?
I truly believe the wheels were in motion to destroy these families long before the kidnapping actually occurred.
If Morrow lived and Baby Charles was not kidnapped, you would have been looking at our next President and possibly Vice President!
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Post by Aimee on Aug 14, 2013 21:28:47 GMT -5
As Babyinthecrib said "If Morrow lived and Baby Charles was not kidnapped, you would have been looking at our next President and possibly Vice President!" You are absolutely correct and there were many people who didn't want this to happen. As far as the FBI goes, it is a known fact that J.P. Morgan was going to demand their loan to be paid back in full if they got involved with the kidnapping. I'm sure CAL was slightly involved with that one too.
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Post by Aimee on Aug 19, 2013 17:41:40 GMT -5
I have never seen this board so quiet. Hopefully new research and ideas based on my prior postings will move this cart forward. My "grandfather" is not listed with my "grandmother" in the 1930 Census. Dates are not matching up. I also wanted to let you know that my "grandfather" worked with a crew at Van Hart's Moving Company.
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Post by fireball on Aug 20, 2013 16:07:56 GMT -5
Finally someone connecting Dwight Morrow's "sudden" death 5 months before kidnap murder of his grandson. My book "The Lindbergh Baby Kidnap Conspiracy" lays it all out. Morrow spent evening eating "poisoned" chicken at Lehman family conference of Federation of Jewish Philanthropies where he delivered anti-New Deal sentiments on radio. Goes home & drops dead. James Warburg's governess's sister is in Morrow household as dressmaker/seamstress & will be a prime suspect 5 months later in child's kidnapping - so "inside man" of THAT crime is there for THIS crime - perhaps served him a "poisoned" milk bedtime drink. Lehmans, Warburgs, Morgenthau's & FDR representatives (Lehman is Gov. FDR's Lt. Gov.) are all together with their political & racial enemy #2 (his son-in-law Lindy is there political, racial enemy #1)the day he suddenly, strangely dies. They are feeding him, feting him & there or later that day killing him. Where's the mystery, where's the surprise? In Borgia Italy IT'S DONE EVERY DAY!
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Post by Aimee on Aug 20, 2013 20:46:53 GMT -5
The thought of political and personal gain surrounds every aspect of this case. It appears that Charlie Jr. was first kidnapped and then secondary negotiations were made in order to place him in a different family. I know that books have been written, but there was a hiccup in History.
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Post by Aimee on Aug 20, 2013 20:57:23 GMT -5
This is the postcard that no one seemed to notice. Inspiring isn't it?
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Post by mkeaten on Aug 21, 2013 6:06:13 GMT -5
Sorry BK. I didn't mean to set off a bunch of fireworks, or make anyone re-evaluate anything that they believe in. I just tried to answer the questions that were put to me to the best of my memory and ability. I apologize for any turmoil that I have caused.
Michael
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Post by Aimee on Aug 21, 2013 19:49:34 GMT -5
Does anyone have a copy of a second autopsy? (Other than the one I posted?) Thanks.
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Post by babyinthecrib on Aug 21, 2013 23:03:53 GMT -5
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Post by mkeaten on Aug 22, 2013 7:28:39 GMT -5
Sorry BK. I didn't mean to set off a bunch of fireworks, or make anyone re-evaluate anything that they believe in. I just tried to answer the questions that were put to me to the best of my memory and ability. I apologize for any turmoil that I have caused. Michael Sorry Bookrefuge. This apology was meant for you. I need to double check myself more often! LOL!
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Post by bookrefuge on Aug 22, 2013 22:25:48 GMT -5
Absolutely no need to apologize, MK, and no fireworks were set off. I appreciate your sharing Buster’s perspective—he was so close to the case. I hope we’ll hear from Dave again at some point; I think he might have something he could share about Buster (as he seems to about so many facets of this case).
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Post by Michael on Aug 22, 2013 22:32:45 GMT -5
Does anyone have a copy of a second autopsy? (Other than the one I posted?) Thanks. This is from the the FBI Summary. It's not really a "2nd Autopsy" since there only ever was just one:
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Post by Aimee on Aug 24, 2013 0:02:37 GMT -5
Thank you very much Michael! The title of the page you posted should read "Someone's Opinion" instead of the word "autopsy". Is this part of other pages describing other parts of the baby that they found or is it just this page stating their inconclusions? Thanks again..
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Post by Michael on Aug 24, 2013 17:49:44 GMT -5
Thank you very much Michael! The title of the page you posted should read "Someone's Opinion" instead of the word "autopsy". Is this part of other pages describing other parts of the baby that they found or is it just this page stating their inconclusions? Thanks again.. Believe it or not all of this is actually in my book. There's so much material/facts no one knows about so I explain this specific situation from A to Z. However, I want to answer but I will keep it brief... This is a true copy of something Dr. Mitchell wrote at the request of the NJSP.
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Post by Michael on Aug 26, 2013 19:59:27 GMT -5
I pulled this particular piece from the FBI Summary. That massive document is linked up in our Members Section so you can check out the entire Report if you'd like. I've found this particular item elsewhere so I know it's legit and not borrowed from a dubious source.
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Post by Aimee on Aug 28, 2013 10:51:12 GMT -5
Surely someone out there knows the truth!!?? (*Several hundred views on this thread in the last couple of days!)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 10:11:46 GMT -5
So Aimee, which one of the boys is your father? Do you know who everyone else is in this picture?
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Post by Aimee on Aug 30, 2013 22:52:09 GMT -5
Yes, from left to right.. My "great-aunt", my dad, my "grandmother", my "great grandmother", my dad's "sister" and "brother".
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Post by babyinthecrib on Sept 4, 2013 8:49:41 GMT -5
I have added a Chat Room area on our Forum Board. Anyone wanting to make use of it please feel free to do so. There are individual rooms or you can create new ones for different topics. babyinthecrib.websitetoolbox.com/Happy Chatting!
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Post by Aimee on Sept 5, 2013 17:16:00 GMT -5
www.state.nj.us/transportation/images/njmapb&w.gifMichael, members or guests...Which county was the Lindbergh house in (Hopewell)? Also which county was the Lindbergh's other house while that one was being built as well as the county of the Morrow estate?? Are there any private air fields close to the houses I mentioned above? Thanks everyone. I do not know the lay of the land.
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Post by babyinthecrib on Sept 5, 2013 18:20:55 GMT -5
Aimee.....Hopewell is Mercer County, The Morrows home is Bergen.
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Post by stella7 on Sept 5, 2013 19:07:30 GMT -5
Aimee, I think the Lindbergh Estate is just over the Mercer County border in Hunterdon County and that is why they held the trial in Flemington which is the County seat. The house they were renting is in Mercer County.
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Post by Aimee on Sept 6, 2013 11:18:26 GMT -5
Thank you both! ...that will give me three possibilities..ugggh.
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Post by Aimee on Sept 7, 2013 15:08:03 GMT -5
April 21, 1930, Anne did not get out of the airplane after an intense high altitude flight. ..perhaps she lost the baby, got a replacement baby soon after (from Dwight Jr. and girlfriend) and then wanted Charlie Jr. to go bye-bye (to another family) when she was going to have her own son, Jon. Just a thought.
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Post by Michael on Sept 8, 2013 8:59:17 GMT -5
April 21, 1930, Anne did not get out of the airplane after an intense high altitude flight. ..perhaps she lost the baby, got a replacement baby soon after (from Dwight Jr. and girlfriend) and then wanted Charlie Jr. to go bye-bye (to another family) when she was going to have her own son, Jon. Just a thought. Aimee - many people surmised she did lose the baby when this happened. But the fact Charles Jr. was born a couple of months later seems to disprove this. What would be the point to get a "replacement" child if indeed her son was lost during this flight? I'd have to make sense of it before I could consider the possibility so I am anxious to hear your theory.
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Post by Aimee on Sept 8, 2013 14:04:47 GMT -5
Ok, Michael..good question! I could think of a few responses. For the sake of POLITICS. Telling the world that Anne lost the baby could mean another shift in Lindbergh’s political career. Reputation was everything (especially to Anne’s mother, Elizabeth) back then. How careless it would have seemed to take high altitude flights while so pregnant. People did not know about the effects of altitude and pregnancy conditions back then! The Lindbergh and Morrow family had two choices: Either tell the world about the miscarriage (ie: airing dirty laundry) or two, brainstorm on how to get out of that situation. I’m sure the second choice would take a little time, because after all, timing is everything.
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