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Post by Girl from the Bronx on Oct 5, 2013 20:43:00 GMT -5
Michael, I'm keeping my fingers crossed hope you can help me. The lady with the boarding house on 149 east 127th Street, Her name was Selma Kohl do you know what her maiden name was. Or a birth date/death date for her.
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Post by Michael on Oct 6, 2013 8:09:38 GMT -5
Michael, I'm keeping my fingers crossed hope you can help me. The lady with the boarding house on 149 east 127th Street, Her name was Selma Kohl do you know what her maiden name was. Or a birth date/death date for her. Usually when someone asks me a question like this I have a "jumping off point" to go to based upon my recollection of the answer. Here I don't have one. So this morning I went through my Rudolph Thielen file. He was one of the Handwriting Experts who were not called for the Defense. He had a Private Investigation business called "Imperial Detective Bureau" out of Newark and volunteered his services to assist the Governor with his re-investigation of this Crime. As a result he visited many of the German speakers who were involved. Unfortunately, every reference to Selma was "Mrs. Kohl." It looks like this could take a while with little prospect of success, but I'd hate to abandon it without looking. Give me a couple of days, and I will get back to you here.
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Post by Michael on Oct 6, 2013 19:41:35 GMT -5
I have been unable to find the information you are looking for. I have a friend I believe would but I haven't been able to get a hold of her recently - but if I do I promise to ask! I did find out that Selma Kohl was married to George Kohl. They had a Daughter named Olga who married a man named Jack Comys. I am hoping this can help in some way in the absence of what you were asking for.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2013 12:40:17 GMT -5
Besides the $2,980 deposit made by J.J. Faulkner, I have read that there were two other $500 deposits made of ransom money. Each $500 deposit was made at a different bank. I believe these were made the last two business days in April 1933. What was LE able to find out about these two deposits?
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Post by Michael on Oct 13, 2013 21:08:23 GMT -5
Besides the $2,980 deposit made by J.J. Faulkner, I have read that there were two other $500 deposits made of ransom money. Each $500 deposit was made at a different bank. I believe these were made the last two business days in April 1933. What was LE able to find out about these two deposits? Here is a Report on this. It appears that I cut off the date but it's undated: Attachment Deleted
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Post by feathers on Sept 10, 2015 21:33:16 GMT -5
I have been unable to find the information you are looking for. I have a friend I believe would but I haven't been able to get a hold of her recently - but if I do I promise to ask! I did find out that Selma Kohl was married to George Kohl. They had a Daughter named Olga who married a man named Jack Comys. I am hoping this can help in some way in the absence of what you were asking for. I realize that this is an old post relating to a question by a guest, but I didn't see any answer posted, so I thought I could assist. Selma Kohl was born Selma Langenbrock born July 1883 (I can't read the day). Her first marriage was to Herman Menge in Germany and Olga is a child of that marriage. She emigrated to the US in 1909. Menge died on April 6, 1924. Selma remarried to George Kohl on 6 September 1924.
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Post by geld on Feb 20, 2017 16:28:52 GMT -5
To all; See my post in REWARDS of 18 Feb 17. Remember this is a"Fun Thought".
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Post by Michael on Feb 21, 2017 17:53:43 GMT -5
To all; See my post in REWARDS of 18 Feb 17. Remember this is a"Fun Thought". I do think it's an interesting point. All $10s and only (1) $20.
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Post by kate1 on Mar 22, 2017 10:19:14 GMT -5
I was looking for the information about Hauptmann turning in gold certificates when I saw this here. Didn't realize this until I read it a few days ago...very curious.
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Post by hurtelable on Mar 22, 2017 13:54:43 GMT -5
I was looking for the information about Hauptmann turning in gold certificates when I saw this here. Didn't realize this until I read it a few days ago...very curious. The "J. J. Faulkner" who turned in those gold certificates at the New York Federal Reserve Bank on May 1, 1933 was almost surely not Hauptmann. Noel Behn's "Lindbergh: The Crime" makes a very convincing case for the proposition that "J. J. Faulkner" was one of the many aliases for Jacob J. Nosovitsky. (There is a long thread on this board about Nosovitsky.)
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Post by kate1 on Mar 22, 2017 18:49:23 GMT -5
No, I had read that Haiptmann turned in some of his own money in the spring of 1933 I think. The amount I read was several hundred dollars. Really ashamed New York wasn't carefully monitoring banks throughout the city when Faulkner brought in the money since that was where the ransom was paid.
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Post by hurtelable on Mar 23, 2017 16:24:10 GMT -5
No, I had read that Haiptmann turned in some of his own money in the spring of 1933 I think. The amount I read was several hundred dollars. Really ashamed New York wasn't carefully monitoring banks throughout the city when Faulkner brought in the money since that was where the ransom was paid. What is you source for Hauptmann turning in some of his own money? Did the money turned in by Hauptmann contain any Lindbergh ransom bills?
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Post by Michael on Mar 23, 2017 19:55:21 GMT -5
What is you source for Hauptmann turning in some of his own money? Did the money turned in by Hauptmann contain any Lindbergh ransom bills? I believe she is referring to March 13, 1933. Correct me if I am wrong... Off the top of my head: Hauptmann made an exchange at the Federal Reserve for $170 and $30 in gold bills and coins. He made a deposit of $750 in gold bills, and $500 in gold coins into his Central Savings Bank account. His name was listed on the slips and none of this money traced back as ransom.
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Post by hurtelable on Mar 25, 2017 17:13:10 GMT -5
What is you source for Hauptmann turning in some of his own money? Did the money turned in by Hauptmann contain any Lindbergh ransom bills? I believe she is referring to March 13, 1933. Correct me if I am wrong... Off the top of my head: Hauptmann made an exchange at the Federal Reserve for $170 and $30 in gold bills and coins. He made a deposit of $750 in gold bills, and $500 in gold coins into his Central Savings Bank account. His name was listed on the slips and none of this money traced back as ransom. I would venture a guess that these Hauptmann transactions came to light in the aftermath of his arrest: either he told authorities about them or he had receipts discovered in his apartment. Note that the date of March 13, 1933 would be merely days after Franklin D. Roosevelt's executive order regarding mandatory exchange of gold certificates and gold coins. Wonder what Hauptmann was thinking when he complied with the executive order, at least to a relatively small extent. Why would he even bother to exchange small amounts his gold certificates and coins, while keeping all the gold certificates that he presumably had remaining from the Lindbergh ransom loot?
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Post by Joe on Apr 13, 2017 17:37:55 GMT -5
Michael, are you saying that investigators were able to confirm the gold notes deposited by Hauptmann in March of 1933 were not from the ransom, or that no one actually checked the serial numbers at the time? I'm not sure I understand your statement that none of it was traced back as ransom money, and it seems unlikely that it could have been determined after his arrest a year and a half later. These deposits, at a time when he had no income and given the general losing trend of his stock trading venture, can't help but raise suspicions.
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Post by Michael on Apr 13, 2017 20:52:21 GMT -5
Michael, are you saying that investigators were able to confirm the gold notes deposited by Hauptmann in March of 1933 were not from the ransom, or that no one actually checked the serial numbers at the time? I'm not sure I understand your statement that none of it was traced back as ransom money, and it seems unlikely that it could have been determined after his arrest a year and a half later. These deposits, at a time when he had no income and given the general losing trend of his stock trading venture, can't help but raise suspicions. I'll try to explain the best I can.... I have (15) folders each full of reports concerning the ransom money investigations that almost take up an entire filing cabinet drawer. That does not include my folders on the J. J. Faulkner investigations which is also quite large. Having researched through these reports I can confidently say that had those deposits contained ransom money they would have been able to track it back to Hauptmann because his name was on the slip. Here are my positions and questions: - The money would have been discovered.
- Police would have compiled a list of depositors to interview or investigate.
- Hauptmann's name would have been on that list.
- Therefore, no money was traced back to these deposits.
- The gold coins were not ransom money, so if he "had no income and given the general losing trend of his stock trading venture" where did this money come from? Or are you suggesting he was laundering ransom for gold coins? If not, then given your position above, how can we apply it in one place but not the other?
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Post by Joe on Apr 15, 2017 8:39:13 GMT -5
Michael, do you know if all gold bills would have been checked during this period when a lot of Americans would have been anxious to get them converted to regular currency, prior to May 1, 1933? Or was there perhaps a minimum amount of exchange before they were actually checked? Was it as time permitted for each bank teller, or even a random process? Were some banks known to be fastidious, while others less so? It would be interesting to know more about the official bank position relating to the ransom bills.
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Post by Michael on Apr 15, 2017 10:42:41 GMT -5
Michael, do you know if all gold bills would have been checked during this period when a lot of Americans would have been anxious to get them converted to regular currency, prior to May 1, 1933? Or was there perhaps a minimum amount of exchange before they were actually checked? Was it as time permitted for each bank teller, or even a random process? Were some banks known to be fastidious, while others less so? It would be interesting to know more about the official bank position relating to the ransom bills. All banks were supposed to be on the look out for ransom money. Of course that didn't always happen. The eventual reward for finding any certainly helped though. In the instance of the Executive Order, tellers were overwhelmed and could not immediately check. However, once the bills made their way to the Federal Reserve (or were there already) they were ALL eventually checked. The J. J. Faulkner exchange is a perfect example. Could the Federal Reserve Banks have missed some? Just in case any made their way to the Treasury all gold notes were doubled checked by people specifically employed there just for this purpose in case any fell through the cracks. I am still anxious to hear your answer about the question I posed to you above. I am sure you are also aware that (5) $20 gold pieces were found in Hauptmann's house after his arrest as well. So he either did not exchange these earlier when he did the others or he came into them after that time. It's these other facts that reveal circumstances and variables to test our positions and they must be explained if we are ever going to make any real sense of it.
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Post by Joe on Apr 15, 2017 11:12:10 GMT -5
Michael, I wasn't sure about the process of detection by the banks and Federal Reserve and how air tight it would have been given the unprecedented nature of the country's gold returns. About the gold coins deposited, I really don't know. I was previously only aware of Hauptmann making very large silver coin deposits during the time between the ransom payment and his capture, which suggests to me he was laundering ransom bills for daily living expenses and then depositing clean currency back into his bank account. Before the ransom payment, he didn't deposit silver unless you call a $1.43 deposit in silver coins, a silver coins deposit. Hauptmann did seem to have a penchant for gold currency in general, and perhaps that harkens back to tougher days in post-WWI Germany, I'm not sure. The question for me though remains, and regardless of whether the banks actually confirmed the bills were not ransom money, where does one come up with that amount of gold bills and coins a year after they've stopped working, and during the depression? Even if you've had a good week in the stock market, do they compensate you in gold bills and gold coins or credit your trading account? I would definitely want to see some accountability for that kind of monetary wealth on his part.
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Post by Michael on Apr 15, 2017 11:34:40 GMT -5
The question for me though remains, and regardless of whether the banks actually confirmed the bills were not ransom money, where does one come up with that amount of gold bills and coins a year after they've stopped working, and during the depression? Even if you've had a good week in the stock market, do they compensate you in gold bills and gold coins or credit your trading account? I would definitely want to see some accountability for that kind of monetary wealth on his part. Right. So are you now beginning to see the pit-fall of thinking it must be ransom money when it wasn't? We know that neither the gold notes nor the gold coins were ransom money. And since it wasn't ransom money then one needs to escape that tunnel in order to come up with some other explanation. Everything isn't attributable to ransom. People who believe Hauptmann was a Lone-Wolf usually avoid or shrug off these types of facts and it's pretty obvious why. Well, to me anyway. Any explanation harms their already rock solid position when it's based on a foundation of mud. So since he had money we're not "supposed" to believe he had then where did it come from? Did he in fact launder ransom money for these clean gold notes? Did he launder ransom money for these gold coins? If not then there's another explanation.
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Post by Joe on Apr 16, 2017 12:02:46 GMT -5
Based upon Hauptmann's proven participation in the kidnapping, and based upon his lack of income at the time, I've a pretty good idea where the gold bills and coins originated, but I'm not certain. Perhaps some other illegitimate or previously undocumented legitimate source of income? What's your other explanation?
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Post by Michael on Apr 16, 2017 12:28:59 GMT -5
Based upon Hauptmann's proven participation in the kidnapping, and based upon his lack of income at the time, I've a pretty good idea where the gold bills and coins originated, but I'm not certain. Perhaps some other illegitimate or previously undocumented legitimate source of income? What's your other explanation? I was just trying to lead a horse to water. It's important for me to dispel the various myths that have solidified themselves into history as "facts." For example, Fisch was "penniless" or that all of Hauptmann's "unexplained" wealth came from Lindbergh Ransom. Once we can see these things aren't true it opens the door to new facts and/or ideas that can help fully solve this crime.
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Post by kate1 on Apr 16, 2017 19:58:19 GMT -5
It's been a long time but didn't someone involved in the LKC have a middle name of Faulkner? I'll try to find it but I'm not sure where to start!
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Post by Michael on Apr 18, 2017 4:57:23 GMT -5
It's been a long time but didn't someone involved in the LKC have a middle name of Faulkner? I'll try to find it but I'm not sure where to start! I'm sure about this one. Wasn't it from Kyle's book? I never read it so it's just a guess.
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Post by scathma on Apr 27, 2017 14:49:57 GMT -5
Wasn't it Warburg's wife Kay Swift's maiden name?
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Post by kate1 on Apr 27, 2017 17:53:36 GMT -5
Yes it was!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 11:04:25 GMT -5
Michael's TDC Volume 3 has an interesting chapter on J.J. Faulkner. The 1933 deposit slip for $2,980 dollars brought this name under the microscope of the investigators. In 1932, before the Faulkner name was linked to this crime, the NJSP sought permission to go through Condon's student records when he was principal of PS 12. As the report I am going to link here says, one of the kidnappers knew Condon. So a search of the student records makes perfect sense. They wanted to go back at least 20 years (1912+) in this search of names for a possible student who might have gone on to criminal activity becoming involved with the kidnapping of Charles A. Lindbergh Jr. imgur.com/ScLNYENOut of the thousands of student names that were gone through, 3,500 names were recorded on index cards for further investigation. I would think that LE would have been looking for youths who had already been in trouble during their school years and they would have wanted these students investigated further. imgur.com/Js1xJ07So I have found myself wondering if the name of John Faulkner of Balcom Avenue (behind St. Raymonds cemetery) was one of the carded names. He was a P.S. 12 student during Condon's tenure as PS 12 principal and he had been in trouble during the period of time the investigators wanted to check through. Here is one of the record cards from The New York Catholic Protectory where John Faulkner was sent as a juvenile. imgur.com/tlwTiVmMichael, do you know: 1. if the 3500 index cards of selected names are at the archives? 2. Was John Faulkner of Balcom Ave one of the names in that card collection?
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Post by Michael on Jan 21, 2020 12:24:24 GMT -5
Michael, do you know: 1. if the 3500 index cards of selected names are at the archives? 2. Was John Faulkner of Balcom Ave one of the names in that card collection? It's been a very long time since I went through the student material in the main collection. I remember that HUGE list (onion skin I think) of each and every former student. I admit I only made a copy of the one page which included Faulkner. I think this list was compiled from those cards. But while I want to say the actual cards aren't there, I hesitate to do so because I've seen so many cards that I might be wrong if I do. If they do exist is would be in that area. For example, they aren't in the Hoffman Collection or anywhere far removed from the NJSP files. Try near or around those teletypes that are tied up (top level). You could also try in the bottom drawers with the big brown folders (like the ones which hold the 1600 files) or the ones under the "L" collection on the other side. Again, if I were a betting man (and I'm not) I'd say the actual cards themselves aren't there.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 19:19:09 GMT -5
Thanks, Michael, for this assistance!
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