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Post by Michael on Oct 13, 2010 15:47:31 GMT -5
Joe,
Do you have any information on the Candian "J. J. Faulkner" angle? I think most this came from you and I had someone recently ask about it. So hopefully you can jump in here with it otherwise I will have to see what I can find "in the files."
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Post by Joe on Oct 13, 2010 20:41:29 GMT -5
Michael, I'll dig out what I have and try to post something when I get back home later this week.
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Post by rmc1971 on Oct 20, 2010 19:59:19 GMT -5
In general, how was 'Faulkner' able to pull off such a large exchange of gold notes? I am not versed on the subject. Did this exchange take place during the deadline to exhange the gold notes, hence the exchange got lost in the shuffle of all the exhanges happening at the time? Or was the Faulkner transaction after that in the timeline and this exchange slipped through the cracks due to negligence?
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Post by Michael on Oct 22, 2010 6:01:26 GMT -5
After the Presidents proclamation calling in the gold notes, there was a deadline to bring them in. As I recall it was a short period of time and May 1, 1933 being the last day (I can look this up). As a result, everyone was swarming to exchange their gold currency. Hauptmann himself had exchanged some of his own gold during this time-frame.
The "Faulkner" deposit slip is undated, but they were able to determine who the Teller was based upon the initialed bundles. There were $2990 of Ransom Money in this lot. As a result, they scrutinized at least (20) different deposit slips that were large enough to contain this amount in an effort to determine which deposited this money.
In the end they figured the fictional "J. J. Faulkner" made it with the $2980 deposit, and the other $10 came independently.
A lot of gold notes came in during this time AND a good amount of ransom too (outside of the J. J. Faulkner deposit).
The NY & NJ investigations concerning the Teller turned up nothing. He claimed to have been so busy he couldn't remember. But in Lloyd's book, he found an FBI source which revealed Estey believed it was a woman. Additionally, Capt. Oliver was supposed to have men at this bank and this very day, agreed to do so, but was negligent on this end.
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Post by corrine on Oct 28, 2010 13:30:21 GMT -5
I have a question ? Investigations concerning the teller -- and the people that worked in that bank. Is there a record or a list of peoples names who work at the bank that day ?
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Post by Michael on Oct 28, 2010 15:43:26 GMT -5
Corrine,
The Teller who took in the J. J. Faulkner deposit was Estey. I will see if I can find any of the other names who worked the banks during this time-frame. If anyone knows ahead of my search simply post. There's a lot out there I could miss so I don't mind being "double-checked."
FYI to All:
I found the FBI Summary Report posted in the public domain on the web. I decided to link it up here since its out there in order to save everyone the trouble of finding it. Simply go to the "Members Only" section. I have the 1st part there now with the other sections to come.
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Post by Michael on Oct 30, 2010 9:16:19 GMT -5
Corrine,
On May 3, 1933, while conducting investigation concerning ransom money, Agent Wilson, Lt. Keaton, and Lt. Finn were notified by Agent McQuillan that (297) $10 and (1) $20 were found at the Federal Reserve Bank. Upon arrival it was explained to them by Joe Tieman that on May 1, 1933 some one had turned this money in to the bank which was located on the 1st floor. The money had been brought to the 3rd floor where it was all checked by a Mr. Chapin and Mr. Lobi. On May 2, 1933 they located this ransom money and identified the Teller by tracing the "straps" the bundles of money came in by the initials on them. The Teller was identified as Estey. They went to the 13th floor of the building where the deposit slips were then turned over to them.
And so after going through my 1st file on the J. J. Faulkner deposit - its seems as though it was rather quickly determined who the Teller was so I see nothing else in this first file which indicates any other Tellers being interviewed. I have my files set up within certain subject chronologically so I think the further from this date the less likely it would be they had interviewed other Tellers. I could keep searching if you like so let me know.....
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Post by corrine on Oct 30, 2010 23:04:38 GMT -5
That was alot of money for back then. Seems odd I wonder if Estey knew something and closed a blind eye.Or maybe he knew everyone that came in that day with large amounts and didnt pay any attention to it. You would think that the cops would have kept some kind of record. Of all the people that worked there that day. Maybe not investigated everyone but at least a list of everyone that was there that day. I guess they had really weak coffee back then. Michael -- it would be great if you could keep searching -- Thanks
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Post by Michael on Oct 31, 2010 10:37:46 GMT -5
I'll keep looking.
Don't forget this was these were the days of the gold recall. May 1st was the final day. The Banks that were investigated after ransom was found during this period were very busy. Also, and I believe this is in Lloyd's book (The Case That Never Dies) Capt. Oliver was supposed to have Officers posted at specific banks - this bank was one of them. If its not in his book its in an FBI Report he gave me....
Great book, and I recommend it to anyone interested in this Case to pick up a copy.
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Post by wolf2 on Oct 31, 2010 11:04:08 GMT -5
its written well but i got some problems with some of the content
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Post by corrine on Oct 31, 2010 12:50:32 GMT -5
Michael, I have a ten dollar $10.00 gold certificate note that was my dad's its dated 1928 --- I'll email it to you --
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Post by Joe on Dec 14, 2010 15:55:01 GMT -5
Here are some articles from the January 16, 1936 edition of the Kitchener-Waterloo Record. (Ontario, Canada) I originally posted these at LindyKidnap in April, 2002. As far as I know, there are no US newpaper accounts of the Canadian Press (CP) stories. Similar accounts also appear in the major Montreal dailies of the day.
The last article originates from the Associated Press (AP) and appears to represent an attempt by Attorney-General Wilentz to dismiss the previous stories.
THINKS HE KNOWS J.J. FAULKNER
Montrealer Aware Of Identity of Man Who Passed Lindy Ransom Money
MONTREAL, Jan. 16 -(CP)- Convinced he knows the identity of the Lindbergh murder mystery, Alex Bulloch, Montreal motor car salesman, planned to leave for New York today to disclose to United States authorities details of his acquaintance with a man by the same name. Bulloch, with a half-dozen photographs of the man, said he hoped to discuss with authorities the possibility J.J. Faulkner under whose name part of the Lindbergh ransom money was deposited in a bank, was the man who spent a summer in the Laurentian Mountains in 1932.
Spent Much Money
It was a mysterious, dissipated looking man about 36 years of age, that Bulloch described as the Jimmy Faulkner he spent five months with at St. Agathe, 70 miles north of Montreal. Letters written to Governor Hoffman over the signature of J.J. Faulkner were said to have been in the same hand as notes he had from his summer neighbour, a ready-spending man who "tossed away American $100 bills time after time." Telephone calls poured into the salesman's home until early today, one of them purportedly from David Wilentz, prosecutor at Bruno Hauptmann's trial. Others were from New York and Chicago newspapers, Bulloch said, seeking details of his story. Bulloch talked to one of the New York newspapers but was not home when the purported Wilentz' call came through.
Writing Similar
It was only yesterday Bulloch came suddenly to the conclusion Faulkner was the man mentioned in the Lindbergh case. A mutual friend, he said, had brought him a facsimile of the letter to Governor Hoffman and immediately he recognized the handwriting as that of his friend, Jimmy Faulkner. Copies of the Hoffman letter and samples of Jimmy Faulkner's writing in a note to a Montreal lawyer "can't be told apart," said Bulloch. The lawyer, whose identity he declined to reveal and a number of friends agreed the writing was similar, he said. No mention of his suspicions had been made to police, the salesman said, as he considered the Montreal authorities would have no direct interest in the case.
Bundles of Money
Bulloch said one day when he was in Faulkner's hotel room he saw "several bundles of money." The money was in small bundles and covered the bottom of the club bag Bulloch said, and Faulkner replied he "made a cleanup in the States" when asked "where in the hell did you get all the dough?"
Clarence Honey, manager of the hotel where Faulkner spent many evenings during his five month visit, and the cashier both confirmed what Bulloch said about his friend's ready spending. Honey also agreed with Bulloch's "rough estimate" Faulkner had spent about $3,500 before leaving the town "flat broke." Honey said he had seen the man in New York as late as last November, entering a Broadway night club. But prior to that, he had heard Faulkner was "broke" and had been "trying to get something to do" in Montreal, Toronto and Ottawa.
Known in Ottawa
OTTAWA, Jan. 16 -(CP)- A man named Jimmy Faulkner, believed to have come from Montreal, was a familiar figure in 1932 at the Bridge Club of Ottawa, R.E. Horner, a member, said today. Horner, executive of an automobile sales agency bearing his name, recalled Faulkner played frequently at the club during the winter of 1932. He said Faulkner, about 40 years old, was a "flashy dresser and had lots of dough." Faulkner left the city at the end of the winter, Horner said. He did not know where he went.
Nat Abelson, clothing merchant, produced an unredeemed promissory note he said Faulkner gave him when he purchased a suit in the winter of 1932. It was signed "J. Faulkner." The signature resembled almost identically that on the bridge club's register and on a reproduction of a deposit slip said to have been placed in a bank with some of the ransom money paid by Col. Charles A. Lindbergh at the time of the search for his kidnapped son.
Bridge Club Members Said Faulkner Frequently Paid His Gambling Debts in United States Bills. Wilentz Denies Reports
TRENTON, N.J., Jan. 16 -(CP)- David Wilentz, prosecutor at the Hauptmann trial, said today he "knows nothing" of Alex Bulloch, Montreal salesman, or the telephone call reported to have been put through from Wilentz to Bulloch last midnight. Bulloch believes a Jimmy Faulkner he knew at Ste. Agathe, Quebec, in 1932 is the "J.J. Faulkner" whose signature on a deposit slip for Lindbergh ransom money is a factor in the fight to save Bruno Hauptmann from the electric chair. Wilentz said a "John Jones" had attempted to put through a collect call to his home from Montreal. Not knowing any John Jones, he refused to accept the charges.
LINDBERGH CASE MAY BE FOOTBALL
TRENTON, N.J., Jan. 20 -(AP)- Attorney General Wilentz who obtained the conviction of Bruno Richard Hauptmann for the Lindbergh baby murder, disclosed a man by the name of J.J. Faulkner who ceased work as a carpenter for a street railway company in New York some weeks ago had been located and found to have nothing to do with the kidnapping and killing of Charles A. Lindbergh Jr.
The writing of this Faulkner, said Wilentz, bore no resemblance to that on a deposit slip found in the New York bank the day a batch of Lindbergh ransom notes was deposited.
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Post by Michael on Dec 15, 2010 6:58:28 GMT -5
Great job Joe!
There's a bunch of interesting things here about the Canadian J.J. Faulkner angle.
One thing to note, and I could be wrong, but I believe your last AP citation involves Condon's former Student, J. Faulkner, who lived near St. Raymond's Cemetery.
Note too that Wilentz is disregarding this whole thing because his handwriting doesn't match the deposit slip. I've always found this type of assessment interesting due to the fact Hauptmann's bore no resemblance either.
It's like whatever they have, lately, is evaluated but nothing is done so as a whole.
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Post by rmc1971 on Jan 8, 2011 21:36:47 GMT -5
It is interesting Condon had a student with that name. I guess that could be a coincidence, to add to the other coincidences with this case.
My guess always had been that Noso most likely was the author of the Faulkner deposit. But I think it is worth it to me to re-think that if evidence is out there that points another way.
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Post by Michael on Jan 9, 2011 8:41:34 GMT -5
There's many clues to follow up and consider concerning "J. J. Faulkner."
1. The address on the deposit slip: This leads us almost on top of where Schindler's car was found abandoned. Police strongly believed this stolen car was connected to the crime AND that building had a J & J Faulkner (s) living there at one time who also connect up with Geissler.
2. The handwriting is not Hauptmann's. It can be assumed whoever wrote it there - knew they did.
3. Condon had a student named "J. Faulkner." He lived within walking distance to St. Raymond's Cemetery.
4. A known alias of Noso's was "J. J. Faulkner." This man was another Gaston Means. He also had many talents to include forgery. He was an Agent, a Double-Agent, and sometimes both. He even talked about it leading everyone to believe he was working for them while screwing over the "other guy." I can't believe he remained among the living as long as he did - but he did - with his full reputation known to everyone who employed him.
5. Coincidence. Nothing really connects up. The simple answer being that Hauptmann somehow convinced an unsuspecting customer to pen it out for him (even though he was carefree and/or confident in his abilities to pen out ALL the ransom notes) then this "unknown" person forgot all about it despite the fact we're still talking about it in 2011.
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Post by Michael on Jan 9, 2011 15:31:10 GMT -5
Material on #1: Attachments:
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Post by Michael on Aug 29, 2013 15:56:19 GMT -5
One of the biggest challenges I see coming from Skeptics to the Hauptmann-Insider "theory" is the challenge for a nexus between him and anyone else in either the Morrow and/or Lindbergh households. With this in mind, I would submit this type of challenge should be made everywhere it exists - and not just concerning the "Insider Theory."
Take, for example, the J. J. Faulkner Deposit Slip. The fact this name was used, in conjunction with an address which proves the "User" possessed certain and quite specific information - where is the link to Hauptmann?
Any ideas? If not, how about the idea it could be connected to someone else? Would that matter - or not? Just looking for perspectives concerning these "what ifs?".
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Post by lightningjew on Aug 30, 2013 0:46:01 GMT -5
If I'm remembering correctly, the 149th St. address on the Faulkner deposit slip was the same building in which there was a dumbwaiter with the name Faulkner on it, but the Faulkners hadn't lived there in 20 years or so. I think it was a Jane Faulkner who lived there, but she had married a florist or something and moved to, like, Westchester or someplace. They were investigated but pretty well cleared. I think too that a stolen car was found abandoned on 149th St., just a few doors down from the Faulkner building, a day or two after the kidnapping, with 3/1/32 newspapers inside the cab (as a very convenient way to date things). I also seem to remember the plates on that car were found to be stolen off another car from way up in Yonkers or something. Sorry, just trying to recap and get my facts straight here. In any case, I'm not necessarily seeing a connection to Hauptmann in any of this, but what it looks like to me is that someone either lived on, had once lived on, or had some kind of comfort-zone familiarity with the W. 149th St. neighborhood. So it wouldn't surprise me if a participant in the kidnapping was a resident or former resident of that neighborhood, stole the plates off a random car from way out of town (Yonkers), cannibalized them onto another stolen car and then used that car in the kidnapping, before driving it back to NYC and abandoning it in a familiar, safe area--where this person also knew some people named Faulkner used to live (this name would come in handy later on; the Faulkners were long gone and so wouldn't get into any trouble). Either way, again, I don't see how or why Hauptmann would necessarily connect to any of this, but did the abandoned car on W. 149th St. happen to match any descriptions of the suspicious vehicles seen around Hopewell on 3/1?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 11:03:07 GMT -5
This whole Faulkner segment is always on a back burner with me. Is there some kind of connection to the kidnapping and/or extortion? If there is then perhaps the connection comes from the gambling sessions that went on in the basement of the Plymouth Apartments. All the dumbwaiters were located there and the names were on them. If I am remembering correctly the JJ Faulkner dumbwaiter was still down there labeled with that name. Could someone involved with the kidnapping/extortion have gambled at this location? Could Fisch, who was a gambler, have sat in on sessions there? Or what about Hans Mueller who liked to gamble? Could he have been a player there? Both Fisch and Mueller connect to Hauptmann. Plus there is Duanne Baker/Bacon who worked at the Plymouth apartments at the time of the kidnapping. He was a part of the gambling sessions if I am remembering correctly.
Whoever used the Faulkner name didn't necessarily have to have been connected to them. All that would have been necessary to know was that the name had belonged to residents there. I don't think the kidnapper would have used that name and address if they were someone who was actually known to the Faulkner/Geissler family.
Didn't Duane Baker/Bacon know Henry Ellerson, the Morrow's second chauffeur, the one who drove Charlie down the last weekend he was alive. He also brought Betty down Tuesday, March 1. He knew Charlie would be there that night. So we could possibly have an Ellerson/Baker/Fisch or Mueller/Hauptmann link-up to this crime.
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Post by Michael on Aug 31, 2013 13:01:17 GMT -5
Either way, again, I don't see how or why Hauptmann would necessarily connect to any of this, but did the abandoned car on W. 149th St. happen to match any descriptions of the suspicious vehicles seen around Hopewell on 3/1? It's important to mention there were sightings prior to March 1st as well.... But in reality some of them aren't very specific concerning the make, model, year, and even sometimes the color. You'll sometimes see eyewitness say either a "Dodge" OR "Buick" as a description. Honestly, they did all look similar, and in my opinion unless you knew a lot about cars (or it was your car) you could mistake one for another or have no real idea at all. One aspect which wasn't confusing was whether or not it was a Sedan or a Coupe. I also believe colors could be confused as well. Certain colors could look more like the others. Blue, Black, Brown, and Green all has various shades. If they were all dark shades they could be confused for each other. Didn't Duane Baker/Bacon know Henry Ellerson, the Morrow's second chauffeur, the one who drove Charlie down the last weekend he was alive. He also brought Betty down Tuesday, March 1. He knew Charlie would be there that night. So we could possibly have an Ellerson/Baker/Fisch or Mueller/Hauptmann link-up to this crime. It's mentioned in the FBI Summary Report that Ellerson/Baker(a.k.a. Bacon) had both worked at the Armour and Company. Here is some of an FBI Report written after that Summary was put together:
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Post by mkeaten on Aug 31, 2013 16:49:00 GMT -5
Michael, you're right about the car. When Buster got the phone call about the kidnapping, he had just gotten home from work. So he took his personal car, a Ford Sports Coupe, to Hopewell, and parked it on the side of the road by the end of the driveway, as not to disturb anything. When Buster arrived, he was there for 3 or 4 straight days taking statements, and two of the witnesses swore up and down that it was Buster's car they had seen that night and a couple of days prior. Cars were very similar, and even though they were different colors, most were very dark, and a night spotting was just too moronic to be taken seriously.
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Post by lightningjew on Aug 31, 2013 17:45:50 GMT -5
So could the make/model of the W. 149th St. car have matched any of the cars seen specifically on the night of March 1? I mean, do you think that car had anything to do with the kidnapping?
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Post by Michael on Aug 31, 2013 19:20:18 GMT -5
Michael, you're right about the car. When Buster got the phone call about the kidnapping, he had just gotten home from work. So he took his personal car, a Ford Sports Coupe, to Hopewell, and parked it on the side of the road by the end of the driveway, as not to disturb anything. When Buster arrived, he was there for 3 or 4 straight days taking statements, and two of the witnesses swore up and down that it was Buster's car they had seen that night and a couple of days prior. Cars were very similar, and even though they were different colors, most were very dark, and a night spotting was just too moronic to be taken seriously. Michael - another great piece of information - thank you! It also explains why certain people (like Whited) said they saw Hauptmann once his picture hit the papers. So could the make/model of the W. 149th St. car have matched any of the cars seen specifically on the night of March 1? I mean, do you think that car had anything to do with the kidnapping? Like I said above, many of the sightings could have actually been this car. It's hard to know. I personally lean toward this car being involved in some way. I am conflicted as to, if I am right, whether or not the car was used as a ruse though. I don't think it was, but then again, for the J.J. Faulkner Slip to point here also seems intentional. That appears like a stupid thing to do unless it was a method of misdirection. But, if this is true, in utilizing this plan to "point" the Cops elsewhere it reveals this person has an intimate knowledge of specific things and it betrays them to a certain extent. It becomes complicated because they become complicated. It's like a bad crime novel, yet, that is exactly what appears to be going on. (Believe it or not I've been battling the Flu since Wednesday and today has been the worst day yet. So please bear with me because my concentration level is not very good at the moment.)
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Post by lightningjew on Aug 31, 2013 20:02:20 GMT -5
In terms of the car being abandoned on W. 149th St. as a ruse, I'm thinking yes and no. It could be that the car was genuinely involved in the crime, so from that standpoint it wasn't a ruse, but, at the same time, the car could've been a ruse insofar as it was still an attempt at misdirection: Abandoning it with 3/1/32 newspapers inside smacks of the same kind of heavyhandedness as when 3/1/32 newspapers were found by CAL Jr's. body--tieing the body's location to that date and the car to the crime. Either way, I think the name "J.J. Faulkner" appearing on a deposit slip for Lindbergh ransom money and a stolen car being found with 3/1/32 newspapers inside, just a few doors down from a where a J. Faulkner used to live is too much of a coincidence to just be random chance. I think it indicates that the car was used in the kidnapping and that whoever drove that car had some kind of current or prior familiarity with W. 149th St., and so decided to leave the car there to throw LE off. Feel better, by the way.
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Post by Michael on Sept 1, 2013 7:30:44 GMT -5
In terms of the car being abandoned on W. 149th St. as a ruse, I'm thinking yes and no. It could be that the car was genuinely involved in the crime, so from that standpoint it wasn't a ruse, but, at the same time, the car could've been a ruse insofar as it was still an attempt at misdirection: Abandoning it with 3/1/32 newspapers inside smacks of the same kind of heavyhandedness as when 3/1/32 newspapers were found by CAL Jr's. body--tieing the body's location to that date and the car to the crime. Either way, I think the name "J.J. Faulkner" appearing on a deposit slip for Lindbergh ransom money and a stolen car being found with 3/1/32 newspapers inside, just a few doors down from a where a J. Faulkner used to live is too much of a coincidence to just be random chance. I think it indicates that the car was used in the kidnapping and that whoever drove that car had some kind of current or prior familiarity with W. 149th St., and so decided to leave the car there to throw LE off. Feel better, by the way. Thanks LJ. I mentioned it as an "excuse" for not being clear in my thoughts - in case I wasn't - because I do have a tendency to be like that at times even when I'm 100%. Anyway, for me, since I believe the 3-1-32 newspaper found near the burial site was indeed a ruse, it offers a possible explanation here too. But then again, it may not if this is all legit. However it is an example I can (personally) point to. But I think we're on the same page here. My biggest struggle is that placing BOTH the name and that address on the deposit slip, if not a "ruse," is extremely stupid IF someone in (or attached to) that building is a party in some way to the crime. Then we have the car which independently offers the same type of confusion. The real "problem," for lack of a better word, is that we have both. So they are either really slipping up, or really laying it on thick. But like I said below, if it is meant to be a ruse it still leads us to the conclusion you point out above - " prior familiarity with W. 149th St." and that is a serious clue regardless if it was meant to be an attempt at misdirection or not.
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Post by kdwv8 on Sept 1, 2013 9:11:56 GMT -5
Michael, do you know if the newspapers in the car and at the "gravesite" were the same, i.e. New York Times, New York Post....? Were they the same page (front)? It would be real interesting if these two papers were the same "brand" and "page"!
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Post by Michael on Sept 1, 2013 14:09:02 GMT -5
Michael, do you know if the newspapers in the car and at the "gravesite" were the same, i.e. New York Times, New York Post....? Were they the same page (front)? It would be real interesting if these two papers were the same "brand" and "page"! Great question. These Reports should answer it: Attachment Deleted
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Post by Bronx Girl on Oct 4, 2013 21:38:02 GMT -5
Great job Joe! There's a bunch of interesting things here about the Canadian J.J. Faulkner angle. One thing to note, and I could be wrong, but I believe your last AP citation involves Condon's former Student, J. Faulkner, who lived near St. Raymond's Cemetery. Note too that Wilentz is disregarding this whole thing because his handwriting doesn't match the deposit slip. I've always found this type of assessment interesting due to the fact Hauptmann's bore no resemblance either. It's like whatever they have, lately, is evaluated but nothing is done so as a whole.
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Post by Girl from the Bronx on Oct 4, 2013 21:54:05 GMT -5
Condon's former student J. Faulkner who lived near St Raymond's Cemetery- Is there anyway to find out where this guy lived exactly ... What street he (lived on) near St Raymonds. My great grandparents lived across the way from the cemetery.I heard alot of gossip about the kidnapping from the old folks.
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Post by Michael on Oct 4, 2013 22:16:44 GMT -5
Condon's former student J. Faulkner who lived near St Raymond's Cemetery- Is there anyway to find out where this guy lived exactly ... What street he (lived on) near St Raymonds. My great grandparents lived across the way from the cemetery.I heard alot of gossip about the kidnapping from the old folks. 1336 Balcom Ave.I am interested to know what you've heard so if you are willing I am all ears. Thanks in advance for whatever you decide to share with us....
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